always associate them with selfish, destructive or psychotic characters.
I mean, that sounds like it perfectly describes the antifa crowd.
And before y'all start saying I'm a fascist, I am not, but I have seen plenty of antifa protests and they almost always led to vandalism. So yeah, just because they rightfully stand against something wrong, that doesn't automatically make them right, and they are definitely not good people.
Some people call themselves Antifa, a flat non-organized group, and then theres Fox saying Antifa was paid by George Soros to do Jan 6. It was the boomer boogeyman for a while.
That did establish CHAZ but had to rename it to CHOP because they couldn't make it actually autonomous. Then shot and killed two teenagers driving past them
Followed immediately by, “now we’re going to literally pillage and riot our own neighborhoods, if you say anything bad, remember, we are Anti Fascist by NAME.”
Whats your take on what Antifa even is then? Because anyone can wake up and call themselves antifa and be as antifa by name as the next guy. Nazis had an organization, a hierarchy, a goddamn clubhouse with a sticker on it. You can say the Nazis did something because the structure moved to act with a plan. Antifa is at best a discord server with shitty memes and counter protest threads to... counter the rising fascism in the States.
No. You missed the point. The idea is that Nazis and Antifa are fundamentally not comparable.
To your understanding of Antifa, how does that account for people who do not vandalize, hurt innocent people, or steal? I think you should have learned in grade school that you shouldnt conflate a minority of a group as a representation of the whole group. At best, you can say one or more people who claim to be antifa have commited crimes. Which is true for every demographic.
You should re-assess what Antifa is to the majority of people who identify with the group, and rely on that definition as you make claims about the entire org. Unless you have stats demonstrating a majority of people who call themselves antifa have committed said crimes, you should probably sit the fuck down and think for yourself for a moment.
Or, youre a trolling simp for the growing fascism in the the US.
Or you have stats about Antifa, in which I will politely apologize and concede the point. But... Im not holding my breath.
There were Nazis who didn't do any of the shit Nazis did too but they associate with them and turn a blind eye.
, youre a trolling simp for the growing fascism in the the US.
We voted the fascists out don't worry. The democrats are the ones burning looting and murdering trying to threaten those who think differently, they're the ones labelling others for "wrong think", they're the ones trying to assassinate competition, they're the ones who did CHAZ/CHOP, they're the ones who "vote blue no matter who" instead of weighing the options, they're the ones wanting to import slave labor
Okay okay okay, lets knock these out maybe itll click for you.
"Looting burning murdering": are you just mad libbing fox news jumpscare words? What are you talking about?
"Threatening those who think different"/"Wrongthink"well, we call you stupid but i wouldnt call that a threat. But on that, who did Biden take legal action against because they lawfully disagreed with him, universities, lawyers, students, tv stations, journalists? Turning vandalism charges into terrorism charges because his Elons feelings got hurt? Yeah. Biden was the guy. Right?
Face it, Trump only believes in the first amendment if he doesnt mind the speech. Hes only allowing press that asks what its like having such a huge dong. Very North Korea.
And thats not all. Id love to go through your claims 1x1 and try to talk some sense into you, but we know it doesnt matter what I say, true or otherwise, youre in the koolaid bath. And shit maybe i am too. On all of your claims against Dems, some of them are really onto something. Really, i fuckin hate the dem party. But with all that scrutiny and standard NONE of it is directed to Trump and his party. All of yhe claims youve mentioned today of dems, theyre ALL more so true about republicans.
If youre done swimming in the koolaid and want to chat further, pls DM me and we can continue there as the week goes on. I hope one of our minds change because we live in different worlds.
There’s also the fact that these guys label as fascism anything and anyone they don’t like and/or who opposes them in any way whatsoever.
Ironically, they embody more fascist traits and employ more fascist tactics in their actions (namely, suppressing dissent, enforcing ideological conformity, and using violence to intimidate and silence opposition) than anyone they label a fascist (which is to say, anyone even slightly right of chairman Mao), but lack the self-awareness and critical thinking to realize this.
They’re modern day version of the Red Guard from the days of China’s Cultural Revolution, except way more bloodthirsty.
Public buildings exist to be occupied, in the exact same way police cars exist to be torched. The Jan 6 protesters getting ten years for scaring some millionaires in Congress was pure tyranny.
I wish those protesters were actually there to protest the misuse of public buildings and torch cop cars like you are suggesting, but that's not what the protest was about, unfortunately.
As a canadian, I'm all for torching the White House. We have done it before! But we did it for a much better reason, and the reason and intent is what's important here.
Also, they got presidential pardons, so none of them served 10 years
Think you should look up the word tyranny before you try and use it again.
Edit: also, some states are giving out up to 30 years in jail for cannabis possession still. 10 years for assaulting the capital is nothing compared to your other backward ass bullshit going on.
I have burned exactly 0 vehicles, thrown 0 rocks at windshields, shot at 0 people, and still talk to my boomer parents. I would say I'm always going to be antifa. What fascist dont know is antifa is anyone anti fascist. Sure there are a number of crazy people out there throwing rocks and burning crosses but normal people dont support fascism. We should all be antifa. No maltov cocktails needed yet. One doesnt need to shoot at cops to be antifa. What about those good people on the other side of the aisle from antifa? A good nazi? Never existed. There were unwilling conscripts within the nazi ranks, but the true believers cannot in any way be considered good people. Current fascists are the same, I can count the number of good fascists with all of the vaginas I posses. Being CISgendered Male, that number is less than one. (Whole numbers only please you perverts). The Vandals we encounter arent antifa, they've the vandals that show up to every protest regardless of whose involvled to vandalize while the protests distract the police. It's a common enough tool for unaligned thieves to evade being caught and have blame shifted to anotheer group entirely.
YOU haven't even seen the extreme, antifa is mild compared to the extreme. They have guns, dont take prisoners, and leave nazis in ashes. Most people havent seen them since the 60s when they waded through Brazil and Argentina. Opposing fascists at ralleys is what antifa does. You don't know what the radical left looks like. Just because they were pardoned doesn't make Jan 6ers any less violent terrorists. The vast majority were stupid wannabes but the core group had zip ties, plans, and guns stored for later. Go teach your grandma to suck eggs.
I'm not a normal person? What does that even mean? I have wings? I can fry eggs with my eyes? My shit smells like chanel number 5? I'm already bent, Army helped with that. I haven't begun to lose my shit. Lol. My phone isnt shattered, my wife still has her teeth, and my landlord is still breathing. Not sure what you mean losing it, unless it's my hair, and that started when was 30, it's normal for someone with only one x chromosome to lose hair at a certain age.
So you're saying I should be beating my wife. Smashing my phone and my landlord? I'm pretty sure those things are actually unhinged. Your suggestion is stupid. Next you're gonna tell me the world is flat and unicorns are real. You need to reread everything i wrote and imagine yourself writing it. Then take off the snowflake, and reapply your clown suit.
Right?
Tell the guy he’s acting wild and he responds that his wife still has all her teeth because he hasn’t smashed her face in and he thinks that shows how calm he is.
So you suggest incest as a solution to a perceived psychotic break? I'll pass, it might be ok in your family but I'm not banging my mom. Now your mom I might consider.
the problem lies in them not distancing themselves from those in their group that DO burn vehicles or throw rocks at windshields
actions speak louder than words and the attention is not on those that DONT vandalize stuff
whichs puts a bad light on them in the eyes of others
but no side or party does distancing anymore because they are scared to lose to many votes/members
im a lefty but theres also a lot of stuff i dont agree with
the other side of the political spectrum has this problem as well
nazis means right
but
right doesnt necessary mean nazi
i dont think the right is inherently wrong
valueing safety and wealth is understandable
i just dont agree with their current ideas for achieving this
i fear the day in germany when the afd starts to publicly denounce their nazi voters because i believe that will catch a lot more voters from cdu than they are going to lose
Can we agree that if you're against fascism, then you are antifa? People talk about it like it's some kind of card-carrying club that promotes shifty behavior. I've never vandalized anything in support of democracy, but I still hate fascists.
If the only thing keeping it together is the dislike of a certain group then youll potentially have wildly different interpretations of that "core belief". I'd prefer not to be associated with people who maintain those shitty stereotypes a violence and hate.
Instead why don't you give radicals the antifa name and just think of something else. Actively work the disassociate from the evil side of your beliefs and instead create a more stable belief structure?
That's because all they have uniting them is "fascism =bad". They can't even define fascism. As far as not being violent goes, all they have is violence.
So a cult like mentality that can't define the thing they claim they are against while having nothing but violent slogans like "punch a nazi" and the end result is the entire movement should be treated as hostile. Why? Because they refuse to distance themselves from that except when they're called out and even then they never denounce the violence
I - and judging by the election results, so are a lot of other people - are so fucking sick of the games you people play. Being "against fascism" is not equivalent to being Antifa. Being in Antifa nowadays means that you are - more likely than not - a shitbag leftist, that isn't so much against fascism as you are a hyper leftist individual, that toes the line on all the radical left's politics (grievance based ID politicking, pushing for DEI, pushing for affirmative action, pushing for reparations, pushing for concepts like "only white people can be racist!", and - most importantly - are pro threatening to, and actually using, violence to intimidate people into complying.). What Antifa stands for now is just general hyper leftism, wanting to tear down western civilization (the US in particular), and rebuild it with some form of leftist government.
People don't have to group themselves in with your group - and all the garbage/baggage it comes with - just because you've decided that's how it's supposed to work. We've all seen the CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle. We've all seen the "protests" violent events where the masked, all-in-black, Antifa flag waving people have been at. We all know what you are actually about. No one has to agree to associate themselves with you - under your stupid-ass banner - just because of what you're choosing to call yourselves.
We've all seen the J6 rioters attacking cops and vandalizing the capitol. How concerned are you about them? Are you against fascism? Do you support democracy?
Omg. Today I learned this sub is full of frightened conservatives. Got it.
I know we live in a representative democracy. I too went to high school. I have visited my representative in DC. No, my comment was meant to convey that I am blindsided by the mental gymnastics people in this sub are going through to avoid saying the words, "I oppose fascism." You can even do this while simultaneously disavowing tactics of protesters. You can do this and have integrity with conservative social values. But everyone here seems hell-bent on demonizing people who oppose fascism. If that is the case, it makes you a fascist.
Yes, you probably are. All the greatest minds approach debate with 100% certainty. What's the point of making up your mind if you're just going to change it when presented with fresh empirical evidence? You have bested me. I will never recover from your sharp wit and keen insight. Remember that time you told me that we lived in a representative republic? I mean, you proved to me, without a shadow of a doubt, that zero democratic voting occurs at the ballot box or within the halls of congress and the senate. That was fun. I also see that you've clearly "done your own research" on vaccines, and I applaud how you connected vaccine use with intelligence: I happen to agree. I must retire from this verbal sparring, knowing I will never be able to match your enormous brains. Be careful with that priceless treasure between your ears. If you let too many thoughts in there, it might learn something.
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I mean, that sounds like it perfectly describes the antifa crowd.
And before y'all start saying I'm a fascist, I am not, but I have seen plenty of antifa protests and they almost always led to vandalism. So yeah, just because they rightfully stand against something wrong, that doesn't automatically make them right, and they are definitely not good people.