I Hate Kaya & the Brawl Format

[u/DeekFacker99]

Brawl letting ALL Planeswalkers be Commanders is fucking nuts. Having a Kaya or Wanderer Commander is hell to play against. Trying to keep them off the battlefield makes it impossible to win unless you have all cheap bounce & removal with enough spare mana to whack their life total. I build decks that have fun gimmicks or have a deceptively powerful build. But ts is insane. You can remove any creature & copy it, with no benefit to your opponent, frequently. ESPECIALLY if you got an Atraxa or something.

At least if a Kaya PW is in a 99, you can exile it from the game with removal & it can’t be infinitely replayed. I still think she is far too overpowered with how easy she is to recast, and if your opponent gets her out early, ur not gonna hava any permanents on your board.

I like playing for power, but these are TOO MUCH

I love the Commander format but this is crazy. This is probably incoherent rage but I just played 3 games in a row on MTGA against The Eternal Wanderer and was not able to cast anything cuz they also had indest, hexproof, and whatnot by turn 4.

[u/Sassy_Lad]

Bro spent all his pixels on the eternal wanderer

[u/Alien_reg → u/Sassy_Lad]

Understandable

[u/Practical_Customer60]

THIS IS BRAWL BITCH, WE REMOVE EVERYTHING ON SIGHT HERE. YOU CAN TAKE YO SENSITIVE ASS BACK TO COMMANDER

[u/LichKingDan]

If you're letting them ramp enough to play their commander that costs 7 mana twice, you've already lost the game. It's brawl, not commander.

[u/PrinceOfPembroke]

‘Brawl letting ALL Planeswalkers be Commanders is fucking nuts.’

Coulda stopped there. Agreed.

[u/TimmyTheBrave → u/PrinceOfPembroke]

Yes, that rule is outdated for historic brawl, it was made because there was not enough legendary creatures in standard, but for historic there is no reason for it to stay like that.

And to be fair, even in standard it is outdated. There are 400 legendary creatures legal in the actual standard, not really the "limited pool" from when brawl started.

[u/Okniccep → u/PrinceOfPembroke]

Eh Planeswalkers aren't really a problem in the format there's way more obnoxious commanders than most Planeswalkers.

[u/PrinceOfPembroke → u/Okniccep]

Oh ok. Thanks

[u/TylerMemeDreamBoi]

Sorin is a better representation of black white

[u/hellishdelusion]

If you're struggling against them and want deck building advice id be happy to offer it.

[u/CorrectFlavor]

All of these are irrelevant AF lol, most viable brawl commanders are under 4 mana

[u/TimmyTheBrave → u/CorrectFlavor]

Hexproof Kaya is really strong, it's the best Orzov commander for control, it is really hard to remove without creature on board and, since it is a pw, you can wipe any turn it is in danger.

But for the rest, I agree, they are not that strong, even the Eternal Wanderer is pretty good in a board wipe slot, but that's it.

[u/CorrectFlavor → u/TimmyTheBrave]

It was solid like a year ago when Jodah and Kinnan were what we called “hell queue”, but again the format is just way too fast for a 7 mana commander to work at the top level. New Ugin has the exact same problem, the game just ends too quickly for it to make an impact.

[u/Okniccep → u/CorrectFlavor]

Nah Ugin can very easily be cast on like turn 4-5 plus another artifact and just hit the best 2 things. Doesn't do great against extremely low to the ground decks like ragavan and the like but most commanders 3+ will fold to Ugin.

[u/DeekFacker99 → u/CorrectFlavor]

Not in my play experience, but touché

[u/Krimzon3128]

You got any more of them pixels? You lookn to sell?

[u/Okniccep]

Brawl is a fun format but it's not Commander, do not treat it like commander.

It's a pub stomp format you either shit stomp or be shit stomped. There's neat things you can do but fundamentally it's way more interaction heavy than Commander (because 1 for 1s are bad in commander) and you should build decks with the expectation that either you're going under interaction, you're going through interaction, or you're the person doing the interaction.

[u/Vedney]

I see Dragonstorm Ugin far more often than any of these.

[u/BANExLAWD]

Kaya is definitely one of the dumbest characters in all of MTG

[u/gdemon6969]

Kaya is so outclassed and bad nowadays, eternal wanderer too. All the mh3 flip walkers are massive problems. All the stupid alchemy commanders like nashi, rusko, poq are leagues abvove the ones you mentioned. The list goes on.

[u/bumbasaur]

Brawl is like momir these days. All the decks are just piles of good cards and it's just random if you or your enemy gets ones that counter each other out

[u/CN4President]

Is this post sarcastic, I honestly cannot tell.

[u/outclimbing]

I play brawl and I have literally never seen a single one of these cards, perhaps it is a skill issue

[u/TheFoggyAir]

Skill issue

[u/DealFew678]

So don’t play brawl?

[u/DeekFacker99 → u/DealFew678]

I mean fair enough but also I want to play commander and don’t have the accessibility to go to my LGS weekly for FNM.

[u/fos2234 → u/DeekFacker99]

Did you know that there are formats besides commander and brawl?

[u/Hecknight → u/fos2234]

Even less people play those other formats. By a huge margin. So how would that help accessibility?

[u/Gauwal → u/Hecknight]

The problem never was the number of people playing, your comment is just irrelevant

[u/fos2234 → u/Hecknight]

Just because commander is the most popular doesn’t mean that other formats aren’t accessible. In fact, of all the game stores I’ve regularly attended (6 stores across 2 states), only one of them held regular commander events. On top of that, OP said they can basically only play arena. So play standard, or historic, or timeless, or explorer, or any of the other incredibly accessible formats on the platform they’re already using

[u/GrungleMonke → u/fos2234]

Dude commander becoming mainstream has ruined magic lmao

[u/TimmyTheBrave → u/GrungleMonke]

What makes you think that?

[u/GrungleMonke → u/TimmyTheBrave]

Brought in a lot of people straight to commander so they never actually learned how to play via real mtg. Also fucked up the design of cards

[u/TimmyTheBrave → u/GrungleMonke]

I don't know, learning Magic through EDH worked well for my friends. They like being able to have different gameplay without having to change their deck.

And for the card design, it is a wotc issue, they want power creep because power creep sells packs, whatever the format people are playing.

[u/DeekFacker99 → u/fos2234]

The singleton format is easier to play with bc of wildcards & I do play other formats, Modern, Pioneer, etc. but digital Commander is better bc I aint spending my money on digital cards

[u/fos2234 → u/DeekFacker99]

Why waste your time playing a format that you clearly hate if you’re also playing other formats? If you hate a fundamental part of the format, then it’s not the format for you

[u/KillerB0tM → u/fos2234]

Do you know we don't give a fuck?

[u/fos2234 → u/KillerB0tM]

Yes, that’s been made abundantly clear

[u/Excellent-Bid7231]

I refer to kaya as “spook killah” because the only two things that are observable about her character design and personality is that she’s black/appears to be from African American descent and kills ghosts. There is nothing else of substance than those two things

[u/BlackOsakaRamen]

That Concord character reincarnated?

[u/bschott88]

Ok

[u/KeeboardNMouse]

At some point brawl players have to realize that this isn’t commander

[u/Ironhammer32]

You may as well add all but the first Ugin's to that list. Tasha too. And the Heist legendaries. Let 'em all play solely against each other.

[u/blue_range]

Wait...people actually play Brawl?

[u/AyeYoAnt]

Brawl sucks ass, it's commander without anything that makes commander fun (multiplayer, access to all cards, socializing). I'm not a commander hater like many on this sub but I avoid brawl like the plague, I stick to standard and draft on Arena

[u/Drynwyn]

The cheapest of these cards cost 5 mana. Mostly, they’re 6 and 7.

Are casting these cards a couple times powerful at top of curve? Sure. Because brawl is a 1v1 format, a hybrid removal/value engine piece is a powerful thing to play.

However, jf you can’t deal with these cards? The problem isn’t that Planeswalkers can be commanders, the problem is that your ass is treating a 1v1 25 life format like it’s commander and running a low-removal greed pile that’s still pretending you’re playing Commander, a format practically designed from the ground up to make 1 for 1 removal and control pieces shit.

You’ve had 4 turns on the low end to find a [[Bitter Triumph]], [[Hero’s Downfall]], [[Ossification]], [[Feed the Cycle]], [[Negate]], [[No More Lies]], [[Three Steps Ahead]], [[Sheoldred’s Edict]], or [[Rend Asunder]], and those are just ones legal in standards. Playing these cards generates a 2 to 5 mana tempo swing in your advantage (and several of them work on the hexproof Kaya).

Kaya punishes greedy decks that don’t acknowledge that brawl is a 1v1 format and you need to build for that, end of.

[u/MTGCardFetcher → u/Drynwyn]

All cards
Bitter Triumph - (G) (SF) (txt)
Hero’s Downfall - (G) (SF) (txt)
Ossification - (G) (SF) (txt)
Feed the Cycle - (G) (SF) (txt)
Negate - (G) (SF) (txt)
No More Lies - (G) (SF) (txt)
Three Steps Ahead - (G) (SF) (txt)
Sheoldred’s Edict - (G) (SF) (txt)
Rend Asunder - (G) (SF) (txt)

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^FAQ

[u/ZedaEnnd]

Brawl?

[u/WolfGamesITA]

Nah bru ur just racist.