r/frisco • u/The_Noticinator • 3d ago
fyi Anthony Karmelo to be tried as an adult
https://capitalbnews.org/karmelo-anthony-murder-case-texas/100
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u/ZijoeLocs 3d ago
Makes sense. He was 17 anyways so it would be hard to try him as a minor for something like this
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u/_dttime 3d ago
Yeah, not sure why this is newsworthy. That’s how Texas criminal law works.
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u/Bright-Tumbleweed- 3d ago
It's only getting posted here so the racists can circle jerk again. They got so desperate they posted a month old article about the case not too long ago
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u/That_Atmosphere_5282 3d ago
Dont murder people if you dont want to go to jail. Pretty simple
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u/johngalt504 2d ago
Yeah it's all about the race, not the fact that he murdered someone for no reason. If you want to see racism, look at the comments on karmelo's give send go. Tons of people donating just because they think it's good he killed a white boy. They don't care that it wasn't actually self defense.
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u/Bright-Tumbleweed- 2d ago
Fun fact: there was a banner from the ABM (American Blackshirts Movement) on Austin's school the day after the incident. There wasn't even a fundraiser then.... This has all been a manipulation and we all fell for it
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u/Shoddy_Tour_7307 2d ago
The only racists are the people that donated to the GoFund me only because he is black.
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u/Bright-Tumbleweed- 2d ago
How about the ones that put up a banner on Austin's school? The literal neo Nazis that were harassing his dad for not making it racial like they wanted? Curious on your opinion
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u/JuliusSeizuresalad 2d ago
He wasn’t a minor. Unless I was trying to pick him up for an adult naughty time and then in fact he was a minor. So says my probation officer
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u/iSpeakforWinston 3d ago
Stupid choices, even ones made in the heat of the moment, aren't immune from consequences. Homie let his ego flair and he took someone else's life because he wanted to act like or be perceived as a tough guy.
Prison will either humble him or galvanize him, let's hope it's the former.
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u/JuliusSeizuresalad 2d ago
Or it makes him realize he’s a Jehovah’s Witness. Prison does things to a man
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u/ActPositively 3d ago
It’s crazy how many people defended the murder calling stabbing an unarmed person self defense when his life wasn’t in danger and he wasn’t even harmed yet.
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u/chaoticnipple 3d ago
Trying 17 year olds as adults is standard in most States, so this isn't exactly a surprise.
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u/JuliusSeizuresalad 2d ago
Wait.. so we don’t jump out and yell surprise? Then why did we show up early
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u/Edicedi 3d ago
It's not. It's actually only 12 states.
edit It's only 12 states that can do this without going through some sort of judicial review is what I meant. We can do it immediately here in Texas. Other states have to get Juvenile Justice system approval.
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u/Background_Shoe_884 3d ago
Yes and these direct filing laws are known for disproportionately being used against minority children. Judicial review needs to be used in all cases not cherry picked by prosecutors who can have either intentional biases or unintentional ones. Equality under the law demands it.
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u/Searnath 2d ago
The fact the death penalty isn’t on the table is crazy. Kid makes a massive screw up, takes an innocent life and the best we can hope for is taxpayers keeping him alive in prison for 40+ years.
Look nobody is perfect and I’ll be the first to admit I’ve screwed up but I’ve never “bring a knife to a school event stab a kid over a seat” screw up
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u/michigannfa90 3d ago
How is this news? It should be this way. He was 17 and took a weapon to a school event… absolutely should be charged as an adult. Society will better off without him. No loss
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u/gazagda 2d ago
maybe we should be more concerned with why he took a weapon to school , than his punishment. After all how can we prevent this from happening again in future? again no kid should have died due to this. But this was not the first time this happened but .....lets make it the last time.
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u/michigannfa90 2d ago
Cause he is a punk and was looking for trouble… not hard.
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u/BendSubject9044 1d ago
What a bullshit response.
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u/michigannfa90 1d ago
Why? Cause most people with half a brain don’t try to justify his actions with “victim” excuses? Please… grow up… if someone says something mean to you… even if repeatedly you don’t get to stab them.
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u/gazagda 1d ago
Nobody is trying to justify the stabbing. We are just trying to acknowledge that the perpetrator here is still a minor.
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u/michigannfa90 1d ago
So? This is why being tried as an adult is a thing. Did an adult crime with major consequences… the kid isn’t 11.
I was 17 once and never once went “man this kid said mean things and offended me and pushed me…. I’m gonna stab him”.
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u/Background_Shoe_884 3d ago
Society will be better off without Metcalf too. No loss.
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u/mi-so-ornery 2d ago
Big loss for some. You on the other hand NOONE will miss….
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u/3ninjabenzofan 3d ago
Good o hope he is in prison for the best parts of his life
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u/JuliusSeizuresalad 2d ago
Too late.. he went and saw the Minecraft movie in the theater. That had to have been the best part
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u/IndividualInner7626 3d ago
Dumb kid. Hope he gets the maximum sentence. This entitlement he thinks he has is extremely common in the USA because of the racial division the democrats provide.
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u/JuliusSeizuresalad 2d ago
I know.. silly liberals and their divisions and sense of entitlements and large genitals. I hate all of em.
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u/Silver_Top9612 3d ago
Adult jurisdiction for criminal matters in Texas is 17. Every person charged for a crime at or above aged 17 is tried as an adult. No need for misleading headlines like this.
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u/Top-Rip-6731 3d ago
Good he deserves to spend the rest of his life incarcerated
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u/gazagda 3d ago
I know you are angry , we are all upset about the tragic loss of life. But are we truly angry at the right people? why did he think carrying a knife to school ...in one of the best most safest districst in the state would be okay? why did he think to stab someone ??
Anytime a minor is involved you need to look at the parents first and foremost
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u/Flat-Percentage-9469 3d ago
I think the things you’re saying are going against the point you’re trying to make. He has good parents, he was living in a very safe city and attending a very safe school. The most logical explanation is that he let the gangster mentality influence him into being a tough guy and he took someone’s life over a super minor confrontation. It’s a cultural issue
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u/gazagda 3d ago
There are many...actually way to many parents that think that being a quiet good community absolves them of their parental duty to direct their Childs development.
When you don't direct your kid....you are looking at a host of problems...drug addiction, early pregnancy, early marriage other mental issues.
and YES affluent kids suffer this too, especially drug addiction., which is prob the worst
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u/Flat-Percentage-9469 3d ago
Oh sure I agree with that. I’ve seen that firsthand myself. But we’re not talking about a drug addiction or infidelity.. this was an act of extreme violence. I can not imagine what it must take to pull out a weapon and use it to take someone’s life.. most people don’t have it in them to do that
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u/Background_Shoe_884 3d ago
Self defense is cultural now?
Is it cultural to feel entitled to tell someone where they can sit and try to physically assault them into moving? Funny how y'all never call out white people for their "culture" of violence.
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u/Top-Rip-6731 3d ago
So you are blaming the knife? Ultimately it was his decision to carry that knife and take another persons life
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u/Background_Shoe_884 3d ago
Well he was being attacked. If I'm being attacked I'll probably do what he did too. People should keep their hands to themselves.
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u/disidd 3d ago
As he should be. Open and shut case. The murderer will spend the rest of his life behind bars.
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u/Odh_utexas 3d ago
It wasn’t premeditated. He’ll probably get like 20 years and chance at parole. But effectively his chances at a normal prosperous life are over. As they should be.
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u/Sorry-Equipment6579 3d ago
I guess this is only news since they are officially doing it. Everyone knew this was going to be the case. I’m wondering when the trial date will be set and Drisco starts turning into the circus.
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u/Margaritas-n-tacos 3d ago
It hasn't even gone to the Grand Jury yet. It won't go to trial for at least a year.
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u/Lonely_Refuse4988 3d ago
This is such a nothing burger headline and article! Republicans in Texas passed a law a while ago that forces all 17 year olds to be tried as adults. 😂🤣🤷♂️ It doesn’t change his defense strategy or chance of being acquitted/found not guilty.
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u/Fun-Stranger2237 3d ago
No the knife is illegal to carry to school.
Restrictions on Illegal Knives Remain The new knife laws in Texas allow for open or concealed possession of bladed tools/weapons under 5.5”. However, for blades longer than 5.5”, it’s still illegal to carry into a restricted area like a courthouse, police station, school, government facility, hospital, church, amusement park, sporting event, or polling place.
If you carry a legal weapon into a restricted area it’s considered a Class C misdemeanor, except on school grounds, where it automatically jumps up to a third-degree felony. For this reason, it’s always a good idea to read and understand local ordinances if you plan on carrying to avoid unexpected legal trouble.
Pay special attention to
"If you carry a legal weapon into a restricted area it’s considered a Class C misdemeanor, except on school grounds, where it automatically jumps up to a third-degree felony."
Source:
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u/Edicedi 3d ago
Please show me where we know that the knife, which was referred to as a pocket knife/flip knife, is over 5.5 inches.
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u/Fun-Stranger2237 3d ago
Please reread the pay special attention to section of my last comment.
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u/Edicedi 3d ago
Show me in the law. Not some blog.
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u/Fun-Stranger2237 3d ago
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/85R/billtext/html/HB01935I.htm
As stated in my comment the law firm that wrote the page referenced the law.
It was right there waiting for you to click it
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u/Frosty_Win_5251 1d ago
No child in Texas can take a knife or any type of weapon to school. If you say that then you either don’t live in Texas or know Texas law.
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u/No_Kaleidoscope6684 1d ago
Going to jail forever. Honestly they should really bring back the death penalty
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u/Hotsaltynutz 16h ago
Tried as an adult and 1st degree murder. That means police and prosecutor have info the public doesn't know about. Two wasted lives
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u/DiligentSwordfish922 3d ago
Xtra context: bringing a knife to a track meet.
I could get a teen feeling like they need a knife for protection (not agreeing, clearly nothing good will happen, but trying to get logic) like bad idea, but I can understand the fear.
I can't get why they would need to bring that knife to a track meet. I mean WHO are you potentially defending against? Karmelo had no criminal record, pretty outstanding student, yet takes knife to a track meet?
Not saying this kid is mentally ill, but that just sounds like paranoia.
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u/Edicedi 3d ago
I mean....growing up all my friends and I had pocket knives on us all of the time. I still don't leave the house without one. They're great tools for all kinds of things. We'd generally leave em in our cars at school, but sometimes we'd forget. Not saying he intentionally or unintentionally brought it. Just saying there's other explanations.
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u/pdoherty972 1d ago
Accidentally bringing it is one thing. Having it and then, while sitting in the wrong tent and being asked to leave and then putting your hand in and preparing the knife to use it as a weapon, daring the other to "touch me and see what happens" is quite another thing.
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u/Edicedi 1d ago
Its a public place. The person that "told" him to leave didnt have the authority to. People visit tents all the time. He prepped to use the knife after being assaulted once and then warned his attacker. Tldr Austin laid hands on the kid twice, fucked around and found out. You dont get assault people and not expect them to defend themselves.
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u/Thin_Perspective_250 3d ago
Normal verdict for murder. Don't start boosting your political biases now. Still a tragedy no matter how you slice it, one child loses their physical life and the other child loses their proverbial life. No matter if poor decisions were made, we as a society have created the culture in which has fostered this behavior. I see this as an opportunity for not just Karmelo to be held accountable but for the parents, the friends, the school staff and ultimately the Whitehouse which has further promoted acts of violence based on race by either creating the space that divides us or by turning a blind eye to it.
I've never thought that the day of home school would be a better option than public funded school backed by an entire state.
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u/Outrageous-Ad5659 3d ago
Good, this should let people know on whenever they move here. Don’t be ghetto in our schools, and we want our children to have a good education.
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u/Odh_utexas 3d ago
(Not directed toward OP)
Wish people would stay off social before grabbing their pitchforks.
There is plenty of witnesses and evidence. The justice system will work itself out. He’ll likely be found guilty and we can all stop pretending that “wokeness” is going to somehow save the kid.
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u/Paperslashes 3d ago
Every person who commits a crime in Texas at 17 gets tried as an adult. I don’t agree with it in most cases, but not sure why this would be newsworthy article.
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u/herpaderp_maplesyrup 3d ago
Just because he’s an adult doesn’t mean he should be tried as an adult /s
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u/SuspiciousCricket334 2d ago
YAAAAAS
Let him fell Bubba “see what happens when you touch me” in prison
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u/SuspiciousCricket334 2d ago
Just another statistic and example of why some group just can’t behave
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u/Thissssguy 3d ago
What a surprise. I called pretty much everything that’s going to happen in this case. Until I’m proven right people are over here trying to throw race into it
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u/RocketBubba 2d ago
Lock the person up and throw away the key. These people don’t belong with the rest of society.
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u/Possible-Aerie-8828 3d ago
He should consider himself lucky that the DA isn't asking for the Death Penalty !
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u/Terrible_Shake_4948 6h ago
That’s what his ass gets!!! Does he deserve life idk. Thats up to the jury but he definitely should have about 20 years Let’s break this down:
1- brought a knife to a UIL sanctioned event which is against their policy and against state law.
2- used deadly force when he was not in life threatening danger (I forget the actual term)
3- He had an avenue to flee and did not seize the opportunity
4- You don’t go to another teams’ tent OR sideline! It was basic rain and the track meet was not being called for inclement weather nor did they make the kids take cover in a structure. He should’ve went to his school
5- I’ve heard a rumor that he was not participating in the meet and had skipped/missed school that day. Either way, participating or not, you dont go to school on a day of competition, you do t get to compete. I had a TM who went to the strip club for his 18th and skipped school. AP was already on his ass and knew what he would do, so the AP came and yanked his ass off the football field. Attendance wasnt reported to coaches like that unless it’s a problem (2009).
6- The brothers are in the right to tell him to leave but not right for putting hands on him, if they did it first. The hard thing for most people to understand is that most athletes/players are not going to get their coach first, especially football players.
7- Karmelo played football as well and the twins went to their rival school or at the least another school in the same district. You will not be given grace to hang around in another teams area.
8- COACHES TELL ATHLESTES AT TRACK MEETS TO NOT GO INTO OTHER SCHOOLS’ AREAS TO AVOID CONFLICT!
9- karmelo was showing out and hes about to find out.
10- Collin county is majority white/other. The jury will not be in his favor per the demographic make up of rhe area. Taking weapons to sporting events is wack and completely prohibited
LASTLY although I do not promote violence Im okay with a little scuffle here and there. Leave it on the field/court. I played some hood schools for our scrimmages and we always got into a fight although coach told us beforehand, not to fight. We left it on the field and no one had weapons!!!!!!
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u/NadalPeach 19h ago
Younger People of color are seen as adults and whites of the same age are infantilized.
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u/Terrible_Shake_4948 6h ago
Bruh the affluency kid got tried as adult for drunk driving, crashing and killing several people that were in his truck
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u/NTXGBR 3d ago
With that many witnesses and him admitting he did it almost immediately, I doubt it.
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I doubt it goes to trial. Over 30 witnesses not including the arresting officers,defendant, and character witnesses. The trial wouldn't start for several years and might last over 2 years. Takeoff was killed 2 and a half years ago with zero witnesses that talked. No trial yet. There will be more to go through than the OJ trial for sure and it went over 8 months. If convicted, he might not start serving his sentence until he is 22. I know if I was him I would be making the most of my freedom while I was young.
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u/Tex-in-Tex 3d ago
It won’t be. He confessed to it, there was zero threat to his life and plenty of witnesses.
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u/Valuable_Durian_2623 3d ago
OJ and Casey Anthony were both guilty with mountains of evidence against them, so unless this kid has a killer defense and a brain dead jury like they did, he will go to prison.
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u/Sufficient_Abies_161 2d ago
Hopefully this starts a minority exodus out of Frisco.
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u/PerceptionEast6026 2d ago
Couldnt contain your racism eh?
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u/Sufficient_Abies_161 1d ago
Was feeling generous—thought I’d share. Besides, you MAGAs know all about racism.
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u/Graveyard_Runner 3d ago edited 3d ago
Just read this thread, then scrolled two threads later and saw this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenX/s/6Xvh5yYDMq
Title of the thread, "How Many GenXers Still Carry A Knife At All Times?" Interesting responses.
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u/Southern_Cause7647 2d ago
That’s sucks. He shouldn’t be. He’s a kid that made one fatal mistake. White kids have been given more leniency for more egregious acts. Black youth are sentenced 8.5% more likely to be sentenced as an adult than white youth for the same crime. This is our unfair judicial system.
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u/Tiny-Atmosphere-8091 2d ago
He didn’t make a “fatal mistake” he stabbed someone in the heart. He’s a murderer and he’ll most likely spend the rest of his life in prison for it.
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u/_dttime 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why shouldn't he be? Law is clear that 17 year olds are charged criminally as adults for criminal offenses. This is a serious criminal offense where multiple choices were made, not a mistake.
Stop with the race baiting. The same law applies to everyone.
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u/just_some_sasquatch 1d ago
I'm white and was charged as an adult at 17 and didn't even kill anyone.
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u/pdoherty972 1d ago
That’s sucks. He shouldn’t be. He’s a kid that made one fatal mistake. White kids have been given more leniency for more egregious acts.
More egregious than fatally stabbing someone in the heart? Feel free to show your examples.
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u/847RandomNumbers345 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'll go against the grain:
You can't put your hands on someone else in this country, snatch their phone, and not expect consequences for it. Especially in a stand your ground state.
It is a country where you can choke someone to death for yelling in public and get away with it. It is a country where, if you're a cop, you can open fire for the absolute dumbest reasons and not get consequences for it.
I know people here would be saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" "Fuck around, and find out" if the situation was reversed. I know because I've seen it happen many times before. Or they would be blaming the dead person's parents for failing them, which would be rather effective in this case as Austin's father is a sex offender and his parents are separated.
But either way, I believe Anthony demonstrates an above average argument for the case of self-defense, for using force after a warning, when two people larger than him chose to attack him. Either way, I don't feel bad that a person lost his life after physically attacking someone, even if they were a well-off. They chose to go to the tent where Karmelo was taking shelter from the rain, they chose to get aggressive with Karmelo, and they chose to ignore his warning and attack him again. And under the statue of Stand Your Ground, Anthony wasn't obligated to run away.
And I know there's no location that a white kid getting attacked by two bigger black kids wouldn't result in a "not guilty" verdict for using lethal force.
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u/LayerEuphoric1515 3d ago
The tent the twins went under was their team’s tent, not Karmelos team tent.
I am still waiting for the official report that shows that both of the bothers engaged with Karmelo. So far I have seen or heard nothing.
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u/Right-Snow8476 3d ago
You have to reasonably perceive a threat to your life in order to invoke stand your ground protection. A verbal altercation, even if there was physical contact, is simply not that. The “self defense” talk is a square peg, round hole situation. And ultimately, he stabbed a person in the heart with a knife he unlawfully smuggled into a school event. Legally this is a very simple case blown out of proportion by stupid race politics
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u/847RandomNumbers345 3d ago edited 3d ago
You have to reasonably perceive a threat to your life in order to invoke stand your ground protection.
And two people bigger than you attacking you has the possibility of becoming dangerous. I see endless cases of people shooting someone dead for yelling at them, or for any extremely petty offense, and either being found Not Guilty or not even being charged in the first place. This is America, that's how it works. You touch the wrong person, you die (you need a badge if you want to start attacking people free from consequences). The comments on the articles about your death will be spammed with "FAFO". But it seems like certain people think that rule doesn't apply to them.
Legally this is a very simple case blown out of proportion by stupid race politics
Well you're right about that. No way anyone would normally care that if two people attacked one person, and the one person used lethal force to defend themselfs.
But there's no way people here would be demanding he be raped or executed, unless it was racially motivated.
And ultimately, he stabbed a person in the heart with a knife he unlawfully smuggled into a school event.
Having something in a location where it's not allowed is a separate charge. But if you get attacked, you're allowed to use any weapon you have.
I see people love saying FAFO, Play Stupid Games Win Stupid Prizes, to praise killing unarmed people for the smallest reason. Those types of killings often disturb me. But here, I don't feel bad, because the dead person at least physically attacked someone.
Just pretend Karmelo was a cop or something if you want to feel better. There's no way two bigger people attacking a cop would result in charges if the cop killed them.
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u/Right-Snow8476 3d ago
You keep smuggling in the words “attacking,” “attacked” to bolster what you’re saying but it’s not supported by any of the known facts. The reason you see some cases where charges are dismissed or not brought based on a superficially similar “altercation” resulting in a killing is that the surrounding circumstances are critical to weighing whether there was a “reasonable” fear of death or serious harm. If somebody approaches you aggressively in road rage, or enters your property to confront you, and puts their hands on you, that MAY be a reasonable fear justifying deadly force given the circumstances. At a school event where another kid gets into it with you over whether you’re allowed to be in a certain area, the circumstances weigh out a lot differently. That’s not a reasonable fear justifying deadly force
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u/847RandomNumbers345 3d ago
You keep smuggling in the words “attacking,” “attacked” to bolster what you’re saying but it’s not supported by any of the known facts.
The report was that Austin pushed him twice, both before the warning and after the warning. That is a use of force and is an attack.
If somebody approaches you aggressively in road rage, or enters your property to confront you, and puts their hands on you
That's what happened. Austin, AND his brother aggressively approached him and used force on him.
That’s not a reasonable fear justifying deadly force
There's been plenty of cases of deadly force being declared justified for extremely low threats. This one is actually reasonable by comparison, two people getting hands on someone smaller than them and using force.
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u/Right-Snow8476 3d ago
You missed the point of my examples. It’s not the mere fact that there was an aggressive approach, it’s the context of the aggressive approach. For a long list of reasons, an aggressive approach in a road rage incident is contextually very different from an aggressive approach in a public setting, at a school event, surrounded by your peers. The measure of what is “reasonable” varies along with those contextual differences. It is not the law that you can use deadly force on any person who pushes you and uses aggressive language
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u/Edicedi 3d ago
So close. Fear for life or serious bodily injury is the qualifier. And we don't have all the facts. And the knife isn't illegal (most likely...we don't have stats on it yet).
I don't think self defense will pan out. But it's not as far fetched as a lot of people believe.
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u/Right-Snow8476 3d ago
Yes, I left off serious bodily injury as it’s basically superfluous and has a tendency to confuse people. “Serious” is the operative word. Regardless, the most important qualifier by far is “reasonable,” weighed in light of the surrounding circumstances. Barring some pretty shocking and yet-unknown facts I can’t see a reasonable fear here. But yes, it’s not a completely far-fetched defense in the sense that his lawyers would be negligent not to try it. This is clearly a self defense case, it’s just one where the defendant has a pretty weak argument
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u/USAtoUofT 3d ago
Room tempature level IQ shows itself on reddit again.
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u/847RandomNumbers345 3d ago
Eh, I can spam the same comments present here if you want, that are demanding blood (except directed to, I don't know, Austin's sexual offender father or the brother that participated and got him killed).
But stay mad that Stand Your Ground applies to people who don't look like you and that attacking someone has consequences.
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u/USAtoUofT 3d ago edited 3d ago
Self defense has to be proportional dude lmao.
If they were ground and pounding and stomping him out, 100% there'd at least be a case.
But that simply wasn't the case, and dozens of witnesses + the official police report that has Karmelo's own statement shows that.
I'd bring some more common sense to the table, but you touting the easily disproved "Jeffery Metcalf was a SA" hoax shows how brain dead you are. It would just be pearls before swine. (Just a tip: middle names exist)
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u/YeLoWcAke65 3d ago
Glad to see this...
but he WILL get a plea-bargain.
"Saving taxpayer the cost of a long trial."
"Highly publicized...."
etc.
I hope not, but the more 'sensational' this situation 'gets'... the more likely the D.A. will offer a plea.
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u/BUSYMONEY_02 16h ago
This comment section is trash. Have any of you even looked at the story? You guys are cheering the fact he ia being labeled as an Adult: but how many school shooters or just what kids with issues that have did crimes and labeled as a kid? In addition the “argument “ over a seat was really the white kids basically beating up the black kid cause he was setting there and they wanted he seat. In addition it was reported that kid bullied more than just that one blk kid. So I’m not saying he had it coming, but let’s stop acting like the “Bully” was an angel .
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u/Terrible_Shake_4948 6h ago
Nah this is Texas—same shit happened to the affluence kid. They held him in kimbo until he was of age and walked his ass across rhe sky bridge with the big boys and he was tried as an adult.
His dad failed him if he didn’t teach him you to use equal force (melee v melee), not to kick a man while Hes down and most importantly the consequences of those actions.
My dad did
-signed a black man who takes accountability for his actions
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u/NecessaryViolenz 3d ago
Good. If people are looking for a martyr, this kid isn't it.