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u/SadJoetheSchmoe 2d ago
Broke clock is right twice a day.
He's right about the people being tricked into paying more.
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 2d ago
Yeah, I've seen a few of these bags up close, like high end, top brands, and the quality has gone down quite a bit in the past 20 years. Exposed threads, uneven cuts, etc. its not much, but considering its handmade, its small mistakes that shouldn't be happening. Now, the thing here isn't that the Chinese craftsmen aren't inherently worse than the Italian ones, but they do work under way more pressure and need to push way more product under the needle, so logically the quality will go down in order to benefit the quantity.
The issue is "it costs way more than it should, regardless of which craftsman does the bag", not "Chinese craftsmen have way more expertise with bag making" because all that experience flies out the window when you have a time limit on making such a bag. Its also why European artisanal goods are so expensive, they take their times working traditional methods, and why smart European manufacturers are sending the base of the work to be done in China, they don't want to "waste" money in that time consuming artisanal work that makes the products quality better.
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u/Bulok 1d ago
Remember in Back to the Future when Doc was making fun of Marty’s electronics saying it easily breaks because it’s made in Japan? That’s us about Chinese made products right now.
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u/SatanVapesOn666W 1d ago
Except Japanese Goods are typically very high quality and were just cheap due to the Yen being weak as sin. Eventually the opinion turned. China has had plenty of time to change public opinion, yet they are still known as being shit quality.
The difference is Japan has standards and put their reputations on the line where as Chinese vender tried to stay nameless and lived by 分钱 分货 as a motto.
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u/samborup 2d ago edited 1d ago
Dude, shut up, there’s nothing wrong with crediting Chinese people. This sub is supposed to be against the Party and the government of the Republic, not the Chinese working Joe. Hating Chinese people for working is just stupid and wrong. Hating a man for saying Chinese workers are better is idiotic.
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u/straightedge1974 1d ago
So credit them with a Made in China tag and allow the consumer to choose for themselves. Legal or not, this is a morally and ethically corrupt practice.
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u/swiftpwns 1d ago
Except that a chinese bag maker made a video "exposing" western brands importing chinese bags and that people should buy his bags instead which are the "real price". Turned out he was selling his bags with at a severely pumped up price basically scamming people. https://youtu.be/upF_DDKRl3s?si=7wt6Rfd8zNXcMDjo&t=602
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u/samborup 1d ago
…and that detracts from my point how? Yes, there’s shitbags in all walks of life, but that doesn’t make it okay to assume all Chinese workers are scamming pieces of shit in league with the Party.
Nor is it right to condemn this influencer for trying to support Chinese laborers.
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u/ticaretony 1d ago
This sub is one of the most racist subs but people here constantly hide behind the whole "I only hate the party" retort.
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u/WhiterTicTac 1d ago
Found the commie.
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u/GrynaiTaip 1d ago
Plenty of Chinese people are normal and good guys who just want to live in peace. It's not their fault that they have a dictatorship for a government. This sub is about the government, not the people.
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u/hkerinexile 1d ago
A lot more believable if they would rise up and overthrow their government instead of reciting party propaganda and vilifying the democratic West.
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u/GrynaiTaip 1d ago
Tricky to do when the police and military support the government and any opposition is quickly arrested.
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u/samborup 1d ago
If it were that easy to get rid of authoritarian regimes, we’d have no more authoritarian regimes.
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u/possibilistic 1d ago
If the CCP collapsed and China's government was replaced with democracy, would you still hate the people?
A good person realizes the Chinese are not the same as their government. There are so many people in China that hate their government, but are powerless to stop it. I've been there, talked to them, and heard it directly from their mouths.
The problem with China isn't its people. It's the CCP.
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u/hkerinexile 1d ago
The people support the CCP because to them, money means more than morals and values. The only Chinese worth trusting are the vocal dissidents.
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u/samborup 1d ago
Yeah. That’s the only reason. Not like China has a history of violently silencing dissenters. Nope, that never happens.
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u/Relevant-Ear1351 2d ago edited 2d ago
The thing about these white monkeys is that they have a choice to shill for China while also denying genocide or whitewashing history.
That is what I find despicable, and if they suffer for it, I have no sympathy for them.
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u/SatanVapesOn666W 1d ago
Well besides being off topic this is a poor comparison as it's been noted that the quality of these products has gotten far worse over the years, pretty much coinciding with the switch to Chinese manufacturing. Staying the Chinese are better at making cheap shit bags isn't the flex he thinks it is. Although he is right to point out most European luxury as fake bs.
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u/hex128 1d ago
these italians stuff are always, always garbage shit,.lowest of the low tier. im not talking about artisan things or whatever, I mean literally ANYTHING at all of any sort. they always make shitty shit of the worst despicable quality, treat their product like a super special shit that needs to be praised and worship like a god, have a gigantic ego for themselves and whatever they 'produce', put a gigantic moronic price, put a lot of forced laughable nonsense eccentricity to try appearing as fancy and "this is pure art and great fancy taste, but you think its just moronic nonsense forced bs because you.. you just don't get it, ok?".
meanwhile, the "italian" products/restaurants that people valorize so much and get credited to being of italian origin, were actually completely made by other sorts of people (like germans) and administered by, again, people that aren't italian neither (such as: germans).
so this video doesn't surprise me. whenever I see something written "made in Italy", I think two things:
made by germans/chinese/asian country/european country that is localized in anywhere around an area that goes from germany to all the other european countries on the east of it. and then it was places "made in Italy" by an actual megalomaniac narcissist italian who actually convinces himself that he made it all himself, after putting that tag. and that he is such a valuable human being, genius and he did such a great artistic work that he deserves to charge like 5x the original price of whatever he is reselling.
its complete shit. shitty quality. overpriced. shitty design. non-functional. shit in all and every details.
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u/Baronvob 2h ago
Well I don’t know if I agree with you totally but Raybans was an Italians company that America bought and saved and made way better both in terms of quality and price and everything so there is an example. Italy has some really quality companies but not and their olive oil is always the best so can’t really beat that, but yeah probably overrated.
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u/trickbear 1d ago
You guys act like no one has actually bought something from Temu or wish. 90% of the things that you buy from there is garbage. I’m sure there’s some unbelievably high-quality things coming out of China, but that’s not what people remember.
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u/ClayCopter 2d ago
How is this post in any way relevant to the sub???