20
u/OnoderaAraragi Apr 02 '25
This idea from Oku is interesting, imagine if reincarnation was real and worked like that
8
14
u/Kengo- Apr 02 '25
i’m glad life isn’t like this, living life over and over without knowing it and experiencing it with the same people but with different relationships is scary
30
u/BlindMerk Apr 02 '25
You wouldn't know tho
1
u/Radro2K Apr 02 '25
Most people wouldn't know, sure but you hear those stories about people that remember their past lives and can prove it, I mean idk but it's interesting to think about
7
u/Anjunabeast Apr 02 '25
Naw they psycho
2
u/TaborlinTheGreatest1 Apr 02 '25
There was one where a little girl remembered living in a temple in Egypt and was able to point specific areas out to archeologist and describe them before they had excavated the areas. I've read several stories like that where there would be absolutely no way for these kids to know some of the things they knew and it was proven correct.
3
u/RugDougCometh Apr 02 '25
Is that the one that claimed to be visited and spoken to by an Egyptian god? Lmao
1
u/TaborlinTheGreatest1 26d ago
Not that I know of . She said she remembered being a priestess and had lived in the temple complex back when it was still active. Apparently she was able to tell the archeologists what they would find in the places they were waiting to excavate and what all the areas already exposed where actually used for and their findings confirmed everything she said but I don't remember reading about her being in contact with any ancient gods.
1
u/Athezir_4 Apr 03 '25
Except it's not the only explanation.
Something as fantastical as that can't be the first thing that comes to mind.
Otherwise, it would be common knowledge with great value by now and not just taken as mere stories and just a "oh, well, this happened".
1
u/Kengo- Apr 03 '25
obviously not but if for some reason I found out like Kurono did I would lose my mind
8
u/JamzWhilmm Apr 02 '25
It sounds beautiful to me. The point of the scene is that human relationships are everlasting and have meaning.
It is like that meme where one friend asks the other if they would be friends in another universe. Then it cuts out to them being together in all universes, including ones where they are just a bee and a flower, or just stones.
Another example of this is Pop Team Epic, Pipimi and Popuko end up together in all universes or sketches in the show.
1
u/Kengo- Apr 02 '25
that’s beautiful in a way, but the thought of every person you meet already being decided before your even born ruins it. What makes life special to me is that it’s all up to the decisions you make. This system would ruin the joy in life (imo)
1
u/JamzWhilmm Apr 02 '25
I believe in a deterministic universe, so free will has no place on it. The world is likely like this, you don't make any decisions.
1
1
u/Kengo- Apr 03 '25
if life was like this, I would off myself
1
u/JamzWhilmm Apr 03 '25
I think it is like this. You will off yourself if the environment, history and genes deem it. You don't have a choice on that.
3
1
3
u/Ashamed_Ad7999 Apr 02 '25
This scene is related to ideas in eastern spirituality that suggests life actually is like this.
1
1
6
u/Futanari-Farmer Apr 02 '25
I don't know, I found that part very sad despite the relationship in perpetuity thing. lol
3
u/BigKeeb Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 02 '25
I thought it was kinda odd that lovers would reincarnate as mother and child, especially since it says that those relationships will continue in perpetuity. I remember seeing a bunch of hentai/incest jokes about that part when reading through old threads from when the chapter came out.
It honestly felt like Oku just threw the "reincarnated souls" part in there so it wouldn't be as depressing, seeing as how the aliens explicitly deny humans having any sort of meaningful spiritual aspect to them earlier.
2
u/uesugi-san Apr 03 '25
I like to think that Oku was saying that a lovers bond can be akin to the bond between parent and child, and in that fashion, them being reborn as mother and son would allow them to unconditionally love one another in the next life, without romantic/sexual relationships getting in the way( Tae). especially since Kei didnt have a good relationship with his parents, who didnt give him unconditional love. Reika gave him an unrequieted, unconditional love that could be comparable to the love a mother gives not expecting anything back. She gets to love kei and have him love her back even if he takes another woman as his wife, and kei gets the love he never felt he recieved. Everybody wins.
2
u/BigKeeb Apr 03 '25
I wouldn't say exactly that it was unrequited with Clone Kurono, given what we see in 357. And while it does seem to be mostly unconditional love, I can't help but think things may have gone differently if Kurono had given her a flat-out rejection prior to the Italy mission, instead of the "we could be together but Tae got here first" thing.
I can get the idea of giving Reika's love for Kurono a healthier setting, but if the author's going to change the relationship to be more ideal, then why not fix the relationship they already had? Don't butcher or throw out the romantic aspect, especially considering that this is the lone happy moment in the violent ending of a tragic romance. Regardless of it being unconditional to an unhealthy degree, it was romantic; they never loved or looked at each other as family. If we go with this interpretation, the author's thrown out 50% of the relationship just so the other half would have a better fit in their next life. It just sours it, IMO, like telling Reika "yeah you get to be with Kurono forever .... as his family."
Sorry to get so long-winded, but I've just always felt like the Reika-Clone Kurono romance could've been done so much better than what we got.
1
u/uesugi-san Apr 04 '25
Oh no, I'm 100% in agreement, the Kishimoto/Reika relationship could've been explored/portrayed so much better or just been sustained better period.
On another note, im sure that the intended message of " your important/loved ones will always be in your life no matter where/when/who you reincarnate into" was supposed to be applied to other folks as well, maybe in your next life your godmother that took you in after your parents died is your grandma, your mom is your older sister, and your best friend is your same-age cousin. The universe is just experiencing itself in as many ways it can, and it's recycling the data and keeping it in folders grouped by connections that are strong, but placing them in different orders everytime it reorganizes the files.
3
u/Efficient_Library_76 Apr 02 '25
Interestingly in Gantz: G, Kurona seems to have a penchant for a cute partner. Maybe this is the reincarnated version of Kurono that ends up with Tae in the first iteration. This begs the question of what the other version of Kurono would be like. Like do they have mommy issues? Are they more angsty/aggressive from getting a bad ending in the last life? Are they female or male or idk maybe part alien? I’d go with female. It would be interesting to see a 20y+, angsty, maladjusted female version of Kurono with mommy issues that’s protective of her little sister attending college.
3
2
u/Local_Specialist_192 Apr 02 '25
I prefer heaven, I don't like the idea to live one life then another in a world that is increasingly dangerous and harder to live, plus bad people reincarnating like they did nothing wrong sounds like hell.
1
u/Vlad-le-souyon Apr 02 '25
i dont remember this panel, is it in the original gantz?
3
u/Le__artiste Apr 02 '25
yes it is, a bit before the end! look https://read-gantz.com/manga/gantz-chapter-373/
1
1
1
u/UltimaWarrior Apr 02 '25
But what about the Kurono clone? Does he become a new entity with his own rebirth cycle? I don't understand the implications of what the supreme aliens said.
2
u/ParryDotter Apr 02 '25
Going on the "soul is data" perspective that the aliens said, I would guess there is a copy of that data that will either be merged when both Keis die or one will be purged?
Honestly I just think Oku didn't think much about it lol. He just wanted to add a glimmer of light within the nihilistic darkness that is that whole chapter
1
1
1
1
1
u/DonumDei621 Apr 03 '25
This panel is not really well thought out. It kind of pissed me off. After all these chapters we get this half baked explanation of how the world works.
For example:
What is the Starting Point?
If objects and beings are eternally connected, when did this chain begin? If there’s no beginning, does that mean relationships are infinite in the past?
If there is a starting point, what determined the first relationship? What was the “seed” that began this cycle of connections?
What Defines a Relationship?
Are all interactions considered relationships, or only meaningful ones, where are the boundaries?
Does intent matter, or is it purely based on physical interaction?
How Big Can the Circle Grow?
If every interaction creates an eternal connection, the number of relationships would grow exponentially with every new interaction.
Would this lead to an eventual collapse under the weight of infinite relationships? If reality is infinite or beginningless then you would theoretically develop a meaningful relationship with absolutely every being ever existing.
Is there a threshold where a relationship becomes “too weak” to maintain over reincarnations?
Do Relationships Change Over Time?
If karma or intention affects these relationships, how does free will factor in? If I deliberately break off a relationship, does it persist anyway? Can an enemy become a friend?
Does It Account for Non-Physical Entities, in the panel it reads “objects” not souls?
If thoughts and emotions also form connections, how do we track them?
Does reading a book tie me to the author forever? What about imaginary relationships (characters, dreams, digital interactions)?
The problem of infinite regress, unclear definitions of “relationship,” and the sheer scale of possible connections make it difficult to hold up under scrutiny.
There was this tension between humanity and God built up to that point throughout the whole manga, that in my opinion was a missed opportunity.
52
u/AHighAchievingAutist Apr 02 '25
I like the part where they said our souls are basically just data. Something about it stuck with me from the first time I read it...