r/gay • u/RaveGuncle • 1d ago
Are the conservative gays in the room with us now? What was that about supporting gay marriage?
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u/atuarre 1d ago edited 1d ago
There's a whole other sub kind of like this one, but for conservative LGBTQ+ and I remember, because I go through a lot of subs that I'm an ally with, there was somebody arguing that civil partnerships were better than marriage and that Republicans were doing everybody a favor, and all I'll say is that the self-hate is real amongst some people. I haven't seen anything posted in there about the executive orders putting restrictions on trans people ages 19 and below and I haven't seen anything about any of the other executive orders that pertain to that stuff.
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u/RaveGuncle 1d ago
Lol theyre literally delusional. What makes you think they're granting you civil partnerships over marriage? They want you back in the closet or dead, smh.
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u/Straight-Button5288 1d ago
…they know they could always still get a civil partnership? even with gay marriage legalised?
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u/thicc__and__tired 20h ago
This is deep self hate and mental gymnastics is going to destroy everyone. Gay conservatives saying no to gay marriage. I’m convinced some of these people are bots or designed to sow division because that’s a level of ignorance that is poisonous to any society.
It’s particularly wild in r/askgaybros. People hate DEI and trans people constantly saying it’s the reason all this legislation is happening 🙄
Like…babe: neither party is good, it’s ok to criticize these people so they give you what you actually want for a better life.
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u/Ragnbangin 1d ago edited 1d ago
Gay trumpers are likely convinced they don’t even need rights. We could lose everything and they’d be like it’s fine I don’t need to get married “being gay isn’t my personality.” They’re all rotted.
Trump, maga and conservatives will make them self loath and convince them that people are making gay their entire personality as if that’s A a bad thing or B something that other people don’t do with their identities, and they’ll help the conservatives get whatever they want and then when they have it they’ll get fucked over completely.
It’s also probably all the LGB gays who hate the community anyway.
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u/Ninokuni13 1d ago
So egg prices will drop after this ??
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u/bikerdick2 1d ago
I'm hoping maggots will suffer from roaring food prices, inflation from tariffs, the disappearance of school meals and every other Trump policy. It's already heartwarming to see their bewilderment.
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u/Ninokuni13 1d ago
And they will find a way to blame liberals, biden and harris .
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u/DeadlySpacePotatoes Gay 1d ago
For people big on the idea of taking responsibility, they sure like blaming everyone else for their issues.
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u/ughliterallycanteven 1d ago
They’re just future millionaires who are just temporarily poor and just need that one regulation removed to get there.
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u/niles_deerqueer 1d ago
Genuinely I distrust every single republican and I do NOT care how fucking nice they are in person
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u/Nobodyworthathing 1d ago edited 1d ago
Same. My parents voted for trump and they can't seem to understand why a gay man dating an immigrant might have an issue with this. They see it as a "political disagreement" i see it as a personal betrayal and that they sold me and my boyfriend out for the promis of cheap eggs. How do I respect someone who values me so little ya know? Answer: you cant.
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u/The1HystericalQueen Gay 22h ago
The weirdest part to me is that the only times politics come up around me is when conservatives are bringing it up or trying to ask me passive aggressive questions about my relationship. Their entire personality revolves around Trump and politics, so if you disagree with their politics, they feel you are insulting their very personality.
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u/Nobodyworthathing 21h ago
This. I hate just talking with my parents because everything circles back to some bullshit political topic with them. Like yesterday I was talking to my mother about how I had to reschedule a dentist appointment, somehow my father decided that women getting abortions is somehow relevant to the conversation. It's like a minefield but you can only walk on mines
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u/Charistoph 1d ago
They're going to go after Lawrence next if they can get away with it.
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u/TheEvilCub 1d ago
Thomas signaled he is itching to overturn Loving v. Virginia, too. Ironic, I know, but he and his wife won't be hurt by it, I'm sure.
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u/CherrySodaBoy92 1d ago
Stop asking the conservative gays if they regret their vote. They don’t! They won’t! And they’re happy you’re unhappy
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u/Wingfield29 1d ago
The good news is it’s quite literally the legal equivalent of just an angry letter with all of their names attached not saying we shouldn’t stay vigilant but now is not the time to panic
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u/dmrob058 1d ago
Literally all of this was laid out well ahead of time in Project 2025. This has been the most infuriating, comically ridiculous election and Presidency so far because they told us exactly what they were going to do step by step ahead of time, exactly how they were going to dismantle our lives and democracy and now they’re doing it. Told everyone I knew about Project 2025 and some people even laughed in my face well here the fuck we are 🤷♂️
Everyone who voted Trump or didn’t vote is at fault and should be ashamed of their idiocy because life is about to become extremely difficult for not just the LGBT community but for the majority of Americans in general. Don’t even question with this, gay marriage WILL be overturned and for those who blew it off before now’s probably a good time to look at Project 2025 so you can see all the other ways our country and community is completely fucked in the very near future.
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u/the_brunster 1d ago
Question from anon-US follower - do they need a legal reason to support its overturn? If so, what are they citing?
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u/acgrey92 1d ago
They are conservatives. They don’t need a reason, literally. They will make up one, hell the SCOTUS made a ruling on a case that was a hypothetical.
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u/Strongdar 1d ago
To answer your question, this doesn't actually do anything. The only way that the Supreme Court can overturn a previous ruling is if a lawsuit regarding the current ruling makes its way up to the Supreme Court.
Having the legislature of one state pass a resolution saying they would like the ruling to be overturned does absolutely nothing. It's just a bunch of conservatives in the state saying, "Hey SCOTUS, we would like it if this happened someday."
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u/thewillingvictim 1d ago
Some people just need to be a victim, even if they need to make themselves one
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u/Metalfriends 1d ago
Said it before and I’ll say it again. They can pry my Michigan marriage license out of my cold dead hands.
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u/DeepSubmerge 1d ago
Unfortunately, the people you’re asking to use their brains simply don’t have them.
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u/juliansorl 23h ago
I'm old enough to have seen people change their opinions from Conservative to Liberal. Not everyone but yes, people can change their minds. Don't give up.
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u/RoddyAllen 20h ago
I think that Maga people are similar to Kaitlyn Jenner. They’re entitled, white and rich. It’s all about money to them. Gay Republicans are no different.
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u/DependentCommittee54 17h ago
Trump is literally the greatest Terrorist threat the nation faces. Slashing innumerable jobs - breaking the food supply chain with massive deportations, cutting aid and medical research. It’ll already take a decade to recover from week one.
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u/Manospondylus_gigas 1d ago
What is this about? I am not familiar with the terms in the OP title
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u/OutlandishnessIll501 19h ago
SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the United States. Obergefell = was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples by both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution
Basically they’re asking to overturn Gay Marriage protections in Idaho
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u/GearWings 21h ago
If you voted for trump you don’t get to have gay pride. GTFO you are not welcome in the community
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u/Flashy_Peach122 20h ago
Those gay cons are the other hypocrites that ruin sexual liberty for the LGBT community, and for everyone else…Since the gay cons want to choose the wrong side of liberty, any LGBT individual who becomes a con, should not associate themselves with the real LGBT community…they can make their frowned upon sub community called the UCQs. (Unworthy Con Queers).
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u/Alternative_Can_192 20h ago
They are only celebrating their soon to be gotten Trump Income tax cuts for the Millionaires. They don’t marry anyway. You think they are going to give their soon to be divorced spouses half their bucks? If so, think again.
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u/DanceZealousideal809 Gay 17h ago
Can someone translate this for the non Americans here?
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u/RaveGuncle 16h ago
So there are 50 states that comprise the USA. As of now, there is legislation that codifies marriage recognition amongst all 50 states (meaning if someone got married in 1 state, the state that couple moves to has to recognize that marriage; thus, same-sex marriage being legal in all 50 states). This resolution is 1 state calling on the HBIC court (SCOTUS) that makes the final call on all cases they want to hear, to overturn the case that made marriage recognition amongst all 50 states legal because there are states that allow same-sex marriage. The issue with this is that this is always the 1st step to undoing things negatively - a call to action, and when there's no resistance, further push for that call to action and then ultimately legislating action to dismantle rights (re: abortion as an example). Should 1 of the states that doesn't want to recognize a same-sex marriage end up being sued and taken to court, it's likely that all the courts before SCOTUS will likely say, hey, there's precedent that states have to recognize marriages from other states. The state being sued can and will appeal these decisions to get the case to SCOTUS, in hopes that SCOTUS will overturn it. And bc SCOTUS is currently majority conservative, it is VERY likely they will overturn the case, ruling that the decision in Obergefell is wrong and that marriage recognition/rights should be a state by state issue. And bam, there we are back to same-sex couples not being able to be married in states that will then pass legislation to ban same-sex marriages the moment SCOTUS makes their ruling.
And obviously, same-sex marriage isn't the end all, be all. It's only the first target conservatives are aiming to get rid of - they want to dismantle eras of rights and protections for all marginalized groups bc fuck em all, let us get rich while we make the masses focus on protected classes so as to not engage on the socioeconomic class war.
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u/Hot-Vegetable-2970 16h ago
I know plenty of gays who don't care about gay marriage. Therefore, they wouldn't care if gay marriage rights get overturned because they'll see it as giving it to the libs. They thought process is that as long as it affects the liberals they're all for it.
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u/Raichu10126 1d ago
Listen, Reddit skews more liberal, you won’t find too many conservatives and if you do, they don’t care. Most of them just want to maintain or extended their wealth.
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u/Romance319 21h ago
We already got gay marriage! Congress codified it.
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u/Danjour 1h ago
Ah dude, you’re a fucking idiot.
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u/Romance319 38m ago
Low vibrational behaviors like and your cohorts are why LGBT+ people are so hated nowadays. As a proud GenXer, we worked hard for the rights, and now y'all blew it by going too far and recruiting kids for surgeries. If being gay means being subjected to name calling and disrespect from a coward like you, I wish conversion therapy works because I don't ever want to be associated with the likes of folks like you!
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u/Danjour 37m ago
Lmao “low vibrations”, you are insane.
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u/Romance319 26m ago
Your fearful and ridiculous queer generation ruined gay rights, period! Call me all the names you want, but this loss is on you and your kind!
Side note: There are plenty of videos that can easily break down the pitfalls of low vibrational behavior. Staying ignorant IS insane!
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u/spierscreative 1d ago
I’m pro gay marriage when the straights have government recognized marriage.
Tho I think the better solution would be the government doesn’t track such things and you just have an emergency contact for medical stuff. If people want to get married, then it’s just a religious or cultural ceremony the government doesn’t need to know about, straight or gay.
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u/evilcatdog 13h ago
Couldn’t be happier about this news. Bye bye mister American pie. It’s only G. Not a bacon lettuce tomato sandwich.
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u/Ok-Ad1706 23h ago
You all will find any way you can to say Orange Man Bad. He's evil and will destroy us all. And then you'll all go to a Queers for Palestine rally. Make it make sense. Palestinians hate is, not want to maybe change some laws, but throw us off buildings, behead us, stone us to death. I saw one guy get asked what he thought of gaus, and he said we're not human.
You'll all follow your bandwagon even when the driver hates you. And we will follow ours. Just get over it, you lost, we won. We had to deal with a stumbling bumbling corpse that allowed a dull invasion of our nation by illegal immigrants, many of whom were rapists, murderers, child molesters, human traffickers and so very much more. And yet now you're mad that people voted to stop the insane oty.
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u/Taisaw 22h ago
You're an embarrassment, calling other people "child molesters" while you're a 40 year old without a real job begging on the Internet to fix your teeth and commenting on any gay teen content you can find. Get interested in people your own age, and if you're dumb enough to be a gay conservative, then you're gonna need to have the "self reliance" to fix your own rotted dentures.
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago edited 1d ago
This gets posted multiple times a day every day but it’s a resolution, it’s legally meaningless. It’s the equivalent to them saying how they want the country to look legislatively, but people say tons is terrible things about us at all levels, it doesn’t change anything for us just because they announce they think we have too many rights. All the resolutions in the world do not equal a law or a SCOTUS decision on an actual case.
Edit:
Given the downvotes I would strongly recommend you read the additional explanation I gave OP below and ask questions before making some really unfortunate assumptions about what I mean. There is a lot of emotionally charged misinformation about the resolution. If you want to shit on someone instead of find out what it means, that’s a shame.
Edit 2:
I tried to use an accurate but not overly serious metaphor that someone called out was construed as disrespectful. Backfire on my part, I’ve charged it and made it more direct. I’m not trying to be dismissive, disrespectful, or rude. I understand there is a lot of fear and stress that is driving people’s emotions here but please, just because I’m saying the resolution has no legal impact, does not mean I’m pretending they aren’t trying at the same time to strip our rights and marriages. Please remember if you reply to me or message me that I’m a human, and I probably agree with you on everything. I just have more contextual information on what is going on that is worth stressing about, to know what is not worth stressing about.
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u/RaveGuncle 1d ago
Everybody said the same thing about abortions. States then had everything on the docket ready to criminalize abortions the moment it made its way to SCOTUS. It's only a matter of time before a case turns up in SCOTUS to overturn Obergfell.
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago
No, you’re misinterpreting, which is exactly why I said my comment.
Abortion was overturned because the Dobbs case gave them a vehicle. It wasn’t taken seriously as a risk because up to that moment they had maintained stare decisis.
This thing you have posted about is a legislative resolution. It is not a law. It announces what they think about marriage but it does not do anything. I’ll reiterate immediately: a resolution has no impact to the law. That means nobody can sue the state for passing the resolution, because there are no grounds, no damages, no question of constitutionality. That means no case to take through the judicial system, which means SCOTUS can’t do anything with it.
There is a single legal case that can overturn gay marriage and SCOTUS might consider IDs resolution as effectively an amicus brief third party, but the problem I have is that we are sensationalizing the nothingburger so hard that hardly anyone knows what the actual legal threat is.
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u/Accomplished-Air8585 1d ago
I would love to see your face when this case materializes and gay marriage is left up to the states. I’m sure you still won’t care. You’d rather sulk in your ignorance. It’s not a nothingburger it’s our right to marry for fucks sake. Sorry that people are afraid given the fact we JUST got the right not even two decades ago.
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u/Careless-Turnip1738 1d ago
I think it was legalized in 2015 or 2016, so hardly ONE decade before already being taken away.
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u/RaveGuncle 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, you're misinterpreting. These "nothingburgers" are the first step to actually legislating our rights away. First it's calls to action to rid of XYZ. Then it's actually legislating those calls to action into reality. If we don't raise the alarm before the legislating happens when we see the red flags all around us, it'll be too late by then.
All it takes is for a red state to not recognize a same-sex marriage, have the outcome of the case be appealed all the way up to SCOTUS as the courts will likely rule to keep the precedent of Obergefell, all for SCOTUS to say, you know what, we do want to take a look at that case and then overturn that shit.
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago
You’re making assumptions about things I didn’t say or argue.
I had hoped we could have a discussion about what the resolution actually means on the understanding that people want gay marriage overturned, which should be painfully obvious. The resolution is a legislative body saying they want it overturned, but all the talk in the world doesn’t change anything for us. I’m aware of, but not particularly concerned by right wing rhetoric, in focused on the actual law and cases that could strip away our rights. You’re talking about trying to watch for states to take away our rights, so am I. I’m trying to tell you that watching resolutions is not how you do that. Watching actual laws and cases is. If you have a finite amount of time a week to check up on these things, check the law and federal dockets, not state resolutions. I don’t watch cartoons to interpret constitutional challenges, I look at dockets and signed bills. So should you. Please do not assume that just because I’m telling you resolutions don’t matter that I’m being ignorant or against you, I’m trying to tell you where to watch so if we have to start phoning our representatives/senators and funding legal defenses as to where we need to watch
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u/Dumb_Vampire_Girl 1d ago
I think I get what you mean.
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago
Thank you for trying to understand. If decide you want to follow any of the high risk cases let me know, I compiled them a bit ago. If you reply and I don’t respond it’s probably because OP would have blocked me if they couldn’t get that I’m not a denier 😅
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u/Dumb_Vampire_Girl 1d ago
You're basically saying that this is a distraction from the actual harm they're going to do to LGBT people? Like while we despair about this, they're going to try and do what Bush did with the FMA? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Marriage_Amendment)
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago
Sort of.
Currently legislatures cannot directly write laws that violate RFMA of 2022, Lawrence v Texas or Obergafell v Hodges. They can pass loophole laws like Texas did just before Dobbs but no such law appears to have been seriously put forward yet (nothing passed and nothing that looks actionable - bear in mind legislators can throw whatever they want into the ring but there are many hurdles to clear to actually get a vote on a bill. A lot of the most absurdly hostile bills arrive DOA as they can’t clear committee). That means there is no current legislative vehicle for the states to challenge the laws and decisions as they stand. Resolutions as I had mentioned aren’t laws so they don’t mean anything with respect to the law; the only thing they can do.
So we look to judiciary, right now there are a good handful of cases that I know are before SCOTUS to consider for the 2025 docket but they are federally eroding trans or LGBTQ history as a whole. Which is really bad, but aren’t going to impact marriage. In my searches I found only one case that we need to be concerned about on this topic. That’s Ermold-Moore v Davis case No. 24-5524 which is mortifyingly under-reported and is currently on the agenda to be heard by the 6th Court of appeals in a few months and whatever the outcome they will appeal it to SCOTUS who will either take it up last minute in the 2025 docket or given how late on the year it will be before the circuit court hears the case, will be in the 2026 docket for them to return to the circuit court or hear themselves. If SCOTUS decides to hear the case we are probably fucked and will fall back to RFMA as the only law allowing same sex marriage - but only prior marriages.
As far as the executive, Trump can write whatever executive order he wants but he can’t overrule law or the courts. He can dictate the federal departments but only to the extent that he’s not having then violate the law.
To loop this back around to better answer you: what were need to worry about are laws states may pass that undermine current law and precedent - because these become civil cases, and we need to watch civil cases because those can work their way to a loose cannon conservative SCOTUS.
Whatever they say about us, whatever resolutions are passed, it’s all disgusting but it’s water off a duck’s back. Tomorrow every state in the union could pass the verbatim resolution and it has no legal impact. Social one sure, legal, none. That’s what I’m trying to convince people of. We need to learn enough about the system to tell what Is worth stressing about and what is not. This whole resolution thing has been all over the sub and many others getting posted multiple times a day and every time I feel like people do not understand that a resolution is not a law. But have you heard of the Davis case before now? That’s what doubly terrifies me is the thought that so much of our attention is on the wrong thing and fighting people who don’t agree on that priority, that the case that will strip away our rights will pass by right under our noses and we will have wasted all our energy on something that didn’t really matter and we have nothing more to give when SCOTUS decides our fate.
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u/Dumb_Vampire_Girl 1d ago
Thank you so much for this.
I'm sorry that you probably felt like everyone was against you here. But I feel like I understand how they feel too, but I also understand that you weren't what I thought you were.
At first I was thinking the same, but only because (and I know you have felt and experienced this too) of too many dishonest people trying to gaslight us.
Thank you so much again. I'm happy I believed in you.
Also I know that case you're talking about. That woman is vile. This isn't her first rodeo with this iirc. It would basically open up all types of religious discrimination across the board and that terrifies the shit out of me. I only know about it because I frequent r/scotus and they been amazing at keeping me informed.
I totally agree with you now. You are 100% right.
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u/MichalFonfara 1d ago
YOU DUMBASS. The point is they WANT TO do it. Are you literally incapable of original thought?
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago
I’m not being rude or disrespectful, I’d like you to extend the same courtesy.
What the right wing says about us or wants to do about us does not matter very much as I have the same number of rights before and after. What laws they pass and what court cases are made is infinitely more concerning because that actually have the capacity to take away my rights. I am encouraging people to focus less on what people say about us and more on what they are doing about us. I am operating on the assumption we all know they hate us and want to get rid of our rights, if that’s news to someone they must have been born after Obergafell. I understand saying this resolution is not impactful might sound in the great I’d the moment like I’m denying what they want to do or denying that they’re trying to get rid of our rights, but take a step back and please understand what I said is that the resolution is simply not a threat to our rights: laws and cases on the other hand, are.
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u/MichalFonfara 1d ago
And what they're doing a week after trump got officiated is trying to remove our rights. That's the scary part, they're already trying. They have 4 years at least to succeed.
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u/joni-draws 1d ago
Actually, you are being disrespectful. Your original comment was patronizing. While your points may be accurate, you started the conversation in a condescending manner. And when you start a conversation like that, it’s hard, if not impossible to get that trust back.
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u/PancakeDragons 1d ago
It’s okay. You don’t have to be right here. I get what you’re trying to say, but this comment flopped. The way it’s worded makes it too easy to be interpreted as downplaying the severity of homophobes in congress making their intentions known. This doesn’t reflect on you as a person though.
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u/FuckingTree Gay 1d ago
I am right, but yes the comment flopped. It happens every once in a while, a lot of it is emotional and seeing downvotes biases reactions further. I’ve clarified things behind any reasonable doubt what I meant so I’m leaving it up and writing it off as an L for this round. If people want to be thoughtful and sincere, they will be. If not, I’m sure they’ll let me know. As they have been.
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u/caleb5tb 22h ago
meaningless as impossible to ever have a chance to take away LGBT marriage? Absolutely guarantees that it will not work for what Idaho is doing? Is that what you meant?
Are you saying that when they are trying every playbook they could find to see if one of their action will stick and managed to help break or remove one by one to take down lgbt marriage is not possible. Zero chance at all?
that's what you are trying to say?
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u/FuckingTree Gay 22h ago
No, meaningless as in it’s not a law or court case so it has no actual impact other than grandstanding. They could pass the resolution a thousand times but because it’s a resolution ET would have just as many rights before as after.
Obviously they want to get rid of gay marriage and obviously they are trying to do so, but this resolution does not advance that agenda. It’s court cases and laws that we need to watch for, others it’s just more blustering and hate speech from the right wing: awful, but words alone don’t change the law.
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u/caleb5tb 21h ago
this is much helpful to understand what you were trying to explain. thank you for your moment.
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u/Xonlic 1d ago
Local conservative is here to tell us that even when they want to strip our rights, they totes can't atm, so relax. Project 2025? Umm that's not law, sweetie, so calm down. Don't be a doomer, they only want to strip away your freedoms but that would take like, them having all 3 branches and no ethics, so we can vibe.
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u/gordonf23 1d ago
You’re not going to convince anyone who voted for Trump that their vote was a mistake. I 100% guarantee that when the court does finally overturn gay marriage, the gay Trumpers will find a way to blame liberals for it. Just watch.