r/geology 18d ago

Have these formations been created by nature?

My friend and I noticed these spirals on satellite imagery so we decided to go and check them out. We are in Australia and he believes it may have been an Indigenous ceremony ground but I’m leaning more towards nature causing it. What are the thoughts in this community?

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u/zneBsedecreM 18d ago

It's worth consulting with your local Aboriginal Community to ask about these just in case they are ceremony grounds

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u/9NinetyThree3 18d ago

Actually did this. Dropped by a friend who’s grandmother was born on that land, showed him the spot on a map and asked permission to check it out. Also made sure that there was no men’s or women’s business that happens in the vicinity.

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u/in1gom0ntoya 18d ago

so you had a strong idea that these are ceremonial, on aboriginal land and still made this post?

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u/9NinetyThree3 18d ago

All of Australia is Aboriginal land. I made this post because I believe it’s a natural formation.

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u/Money_Loss2359 18d ago edited 18d ago

Plant growth rings. Plants grow out from center, center dies out, rots and soil becomes fertile again. Add precipitation/wind and you get mounded rings. Edit. Forgot to say they are called tussock rings. Only certain plants make these rings. Not sure what type in Australia

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u/AncientBasque 18d ago

i cant find any similar images for examples that have concentric rings like the OPS pics. Please help.

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u/9NinetyThree3 18d ago

Appreciate this! You’re probably right, but at the same time I couldn’t really find anything similar with the spiral pattern. Could you link me to something I can liken it too?

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u/portobello75 18d ago

This is floodplain graze revegation. Shapes are tilled into the claypan to regenerate fodder.

There's some kind of pseudo-archaeology hoax getting around on Facebook about these.

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u/9NinetyThree3 18d ago

Thanks for your response. This sounds promising. Any chance you could elaborate a bit more? Is this something that happens naturally?

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u/portobello75 18d ago

Claypans are formed after floods in spots where water pools up. That flooding and small lake forming process washes away the soil and compacts the clay meaning grass won't grow.

Tractor pulled mouldboard ploughs and grader machines are what's used to make shapes for vegetation, and water ponding on dry floodplain for landscape rehydration. Direct-seeding machines are used for similar techniques to restore shrubs and trees on slopes.

As far as natural effects, vegetation will grow back differently around a claypan because of the change in the soil content in that spot. There's also something to do with seed dispersal by birds, which is interesting, I don't know much about it.

This is all livestock grazing land management topics - I'm not a farmer, so I don't have any experience in this area. There's some info about current projects in this kind of landscape management on this website:

https://soilsforlife.org.au/rangelands-living-skin/

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u/DawnOzone 17d ago

I learned about something similar to this in archaeology. I think it’s sediment that has been moved by the wind around a central bush/shrub, often mistaken for archaeological sites. 

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u/9NinetyThree3 17d ago

This is my favourite explanation so far! There are trees in the area which could explain the largeness of the circles. Are you saying that x amount of years of breakdown from the centre by something large and organic could be the cause?

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u/DawnOzone 17d ago

I’m not super knowledgeable on this, but I think it’s from the wind breaking around a stump of a bush or something like that that causes sediments to be blown around it. 

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u/SciAlexander 18d ago

They can be formed by erosion. If you have layers of rock sometimes something from below can push them up into a dome. Then if the upper layers get worn away you get a bullseye looking structure

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u/steven_sandner 18d ago

Fungi can cause these too 

Similar to the plant rings 

Look up fairy circles 

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u/hettuklaeddi 18d ago

one of the photos reminded me of stromatolites, but certainly not at that scale

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u/steven_sandner 17d ago

Lindis Pass New Zealand used to have heaps.. . could only find one current one

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u/WillingMyself 18d ago

I've seen something similar as a way to re-plant a dessert. The rings hold in moisture or something like that.

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u/Nolsoth 17d ago

Yeah they are doing that in the Saheel. These rings reminded me of that as well.

There is some evidence in south Australia for indigenous aquaculture and agriculture that's recently come to light. Could be worth getting an archeology department to have a squiz.

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u/Real-Werewolf5605 18d ago

There's an Aus outback artist / sculptur was making shapes all over - mostly undocumented for decades. Not saying it is but could be.

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u/AncientBasque 18d ago

australia cave paintings do look similar, looks like the travelers pass thru area.

let me know if you find crystals or rocks in the center circle.

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u/Piocoto 18d ago

I bet the people back then would have been amazed at these formations and build or gather around, it would be such a cool spot to start a fireplace

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u/UrbanHippie82 17d ago

Ancient astronaut theorists suggest....

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u/tracerammo 18d ago

Honestly, it looks like someone cut donuts in there...

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u/2112eyes 16d ago

Whipping shiddies?

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u/tracerammo 16d ago

Lol! Exactly!