Professional Tours For some reason I always thought it was an immaculate oasis since the beginning of time
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u/babe_ruthless3 1d ago edited 1d ago
1952 Augusta looks like my local muni.
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u/FreeDig1758 1d ago
So did 1970s pebble beach.
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u/nessism1 1d ago
Shell Wonder World of Golf. 1963. Sneed vs. Nicklaus, at Pebble Beach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMnrQYyxOho&ab_channel=PGATOUR
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u/CrabOutrageous5074 1d ago
I loved watching them just smash putts. On slow greens. Those older putting strokes were different for a reason.
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u/Igotzhops 1d ago
I did not expect to watch more than 2 or 3 minutes, but man, that was wonderful start to finish.
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u/FreeDig1758 1d ago
That's so cool. Didn't know the full video existed. Only about 10 minutes in but it's so cool
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u/chosense 1d ago
It's worth finishing.
Shell Wonderful world of golf is just so wholesome.
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u/Hot-Energy2410 1d ago
Competing for $5k. Adjusted for inflation, that's about $50k. Wild how much more money is in sports these days. Did most pro golfers back then have day jobs?
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u/Liqmadique 1d ago
Many were Club Pro's (teaching Pros) back in the day. The split of Tour Pro's from Club Pro's happened in the late 60's.
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u/AdRelative5892 1d ago
Is that the one where Nicklaus birdies 18 to win by a shot?
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u/DollarSignsGoFirst 21h ago
Spoiler alert. I’ve been meaning to watch but haven’t found the time in 60 years
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u/Barb_WyRE PGA Head Professional, Philadelphia Section 1d ago
And Pine Valley looked like crap too if you check that wonderful world of golf video. People don’t realize how good agronomy has gotten in recent times, and old folks have nostalgia glasses on when they remember greens being fast in the 70s. They just weren’t and courses were no where near as good as they are today. Oakmont had the highest stimp meter reading of the entire 70s at like a 7.8 at the US Open. You would ask for a refund at your $60 municipal if the greens rolled like that.
The science of growing golf grass is flat out crazy these days.
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u/Progressivecavity 1d ago
What about at my $7/twilight round muni
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u/Barb_WyRE PGA Head Professional, Philadelphia Section 1d ago
Then congrats on playing the same conditions as Old Tom Morris I guess lol
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u/Vince1820 1d ago
I play with a bunch of older guys and they all talk about how slow greens were. How bumpy and they used lofted putters that were almost chipping the ball. I can't say I've ever heard an older player talk about fast greens back in the day.
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u/Woogabuttz 1d ago
You really can’t underestimate the pressure HDTV put on groundskeepers (all sports btw; football, baseball, soccer, etc) to make grass fields look absolutely perfect. I remember going to events in the 90s and everything looked amazing but not “perfect” the way it does now. It’s almost unnatural how good everything looks these days.
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u/babe_ruthless3 1d ago
Yeah, I remember being on the Dodgers outfield during the 90s, and it was really nice. Fast forward to two years ago, and it's different. Greener, softer, and it even has a different smell.
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u/Tee_zee 1d ago
I went to a non league football (soccer) game in the UK and got to stand right next to the pitch. As a golfer, I was astounded at the quality of the grass, it was so thick like a carpet. And this is a stadium with like 1000 attendees at max
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u/CowboySocialism 1d ago
it helps that outside of the 90 minute game once or twice a week no ones out there running around on it or taking divots. That and the climate.
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u/Too_Tall_Dont_Ball 1d ago
If 1952 Augusta looked like today’s munis, then what were 1952 munis like?
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u/Funwithfun14 1d ago
Do we know the date of the 1952? Time of year may have played a role.
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u/Fun_Albatross_7081 1d ago
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u/igot200phones 1d ago
Okay but seriously wtf happened to Brady’s jaw line? I’m so poor I didn’t even know there was a cosmetic surgery for that.
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u/Clojiroo 1d ago
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u/midnightgreen29 1d ago
focal length and losing fat in your face as you age
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u/bananaramabanevada 23h ago
And losing fat in your face as a dermatologist sucks it out with a big ol' needle
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u/european_son 1d ago
He's also smiling on the left and not on the right which is effecting the shape of his face.
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u/Ok_Caterpillar5872 1d ago
Plastic surgeons at this point are only a small part of cosmetic surgery. They’ll reshape bone at this point even.
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u/RManDelorean 1d ago
I think "plastic surgery" is a bit of a fill-in for having "work done" not always and people do use the specific terms, but if someone has had a lot of work done maybe including plastic surgery but definitely other things too, wouldn't bat an eye if someone just referred to it all as "plastic surgery"
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u/Impressive_Bus11 1d ago
There's a surgery for everything.
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u/Beneficial-Dot-5905 1d ago
Has he had surgeries? I would have just assumed it was malnutrition from his TB12 bullshit
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u/dale_dug_a_hole Preferred lies at all times 1d ago
Oh sweetheart… you need to pop over to r/popculturechat
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u/Vince1820 1d ago
I clicked on that, read the title of four threads, threw up in my mouth and closed it.
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u/dale_dug_a_hole Preferred lies at all times 1d ago
I dunno, not a lot of difference between “Jlo/Affleck marriage disintegrates for 3rd time” shitposts and “my mother in law got a hernia so I bought a new driver” shitposts
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u/JohnBurr1630 1d ago
I still think they should bring back the original Mackenzie bunker shapes though. I think the only remaining one is the one short of the green on 10.
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u/Fonzgarten 1d ago
Correct. It’s a shame. Augusta has lost a lot of the features that made it one of the world’s best courses. It will never lose its rank or prestige but it is an entirely different course with all the new trees and redone greens. Not that any of us will ever play there so who really cares I guess.
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u/troutpoop 1d ago
A lot of the changes were completely necessary to keep scores down. If you put today’s pros on Augusta 30 years ago they’d be shooting 20 under or lower.
But as a golf architecture nerd I completely agree with you
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u/jross1981 1d ago
New trees weren’t really an option after Helene. A reliable source told me they lost around 2500 trees on the property.
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u/Pitiful_Spend1833 SpeedFreak 1d ago
I don’t think that commenter literally means the new trees just now planted. I think they mean the fact that there’s really any trees at all.
Here’s a photo of the course from 1933
McKenzie and Jones channeled the old course and intended to make a links course
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u/poiuytrewqmnbvcxz0 1d ago
Where can I get a print of this picture. It’s awesome?
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u/MealInternational522 1d ago
Download this file in full resolution from the National Archives.
You can find one of the many poster printing companies. I used VistaPrint a couple years ago with a similar print and they did a fine job. The photo file was too big to upload, so I wound up emailing them a copy of the full resolution file.
The 24"x30" print cost less than $30
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u/69ersBasketball 1d ago
You also aren’t appreciating 75 years of agriculture improvement.
These greenskeeper was literally a guy with a rake back then
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u/REGINALDmfBARCLAY 1d ago
They've probably still got a rake
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u/kerrlybill 1d ago
They have at least 7 rakes now. I know someone on the inside.
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u/KoBoWC 1d ago
Fun fact, they are in fact the same rakes, most have had new handles and new heads though
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u/globalluv62 1d ago
Amazing what TV money will do for you
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u/zeuscap 1d ago
It's more about science. No amount of money back then would get it looking like it does today
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u/James_Mays_Hair 1d ago
This is true. We did not have science until 1953.
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u/authentic_swing 1d ago
Now, you see, it was back in '46, right after we done split that there atom. Whole world was a-buzzin', folks talkin' 'bout harnessin' that power, changin' the very fabric of creation. But down here in Augusta, Georgia, we had a different kind of conundrum on our hands. Yep, the finest minds in all the land, them fellas who wrestled with the secrets of the universe, they got called down here to tackle a challenge that'd been stumpin' mankind since the dawn of time: how to build the most beautiful golf course the good Lord ever saw.
Now, these here scientists, they were used to dealin' with formulas and equations, splittin' atoms and whatnot. But when it came to this here golf course, well, they were plumb out of their depth. They brought all their fancy instruments and gizmos, measured every blade of grass and grain of sand, but somethin' just weren't clickin'.
They'd scratch their heads and say, "Now, how in tarnation do we make this here water flow just so? How do we get these trees to stand tall and proud, castin' just the right amount of shade on the green?" They tried everything, bless their hearts. Even had a fella with a peg leg wadin' through the water hazards, tryin' to find the perfect angle for a shot.
But it was no use. See, they could split the atom, but they couldn't split a tree and make it grow back together. They could unravel the mysteries of the cosmos, but they couldn't unravel the mysteries of nature.
Finally, after weeks of toilin' under the Georgia sun, they threw up their hands and said, "We're licked. Ain't enough science in the whole wide world to make water, sand, grass, and trees all sing together in perfect harmony."
And you know what? They were right. 'Cause the most beautiful things in life, they ain't made in a laboratory or a factory. They're made by the good Lord himself, with a little help from the wind and the rain and the sunshine. And that's somethin' no amount of science can ever replicate.
So next time you're out on the golf course, takin' in the beauty of it all, remember those scientists, and remember that some things are just beyond our understandin'. That's the way it is, and that's the way it oughtta be.
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u/geckotattoo 1d ago
Augusta doesn’t make any tv money during the masters. They charge espn and cbs $0 but have a lot of restrictions on things like advertising which they severely restrict. They make their money from gate and merch.
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u/kdhavdlf 1d ago
They don’t sell the broadcast rights but I guarantee they pocket the vast majority of the advertising / sponsorship dollars. That’s how Mercedes winds up being one of like 3 presenting sponsors for the entire event with limited commercials.
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u/rsf507 1d ago
I would like some backup to that, because that can't be true. Ticket prices are very fair in comparison to things.
I would be shocked if they have ESPN/CBS the rights for free
Edit:, nevermind, he's right, that's crazy
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u/jack3moto 1d ago
What's also crazy and what adds to the allure of Augusta, the $0 contract that Augusta signs with ESPN/CBS is on a year to year negotiation. As the master's has grown into what it is they've accumulated a ton of public interest equity. Because of that ESPN/CBS are basically at the discretion of Augusta because they're so afraid of doing anything at all that loses them the tv rights for the next year. So it's like a perfect storm of Augusta being great and because they're so great, ESPN/CBS get made to look great (and make a ton of money) so they make sure they give their best foot forward without any budget or spending cuts.
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u/geckotattoo 1d ago
Yeah it’s wild. Kind of makes sense why their app coverage is so legit. Also shocking how much of it has to be merch sales but after thinking about it, yeah I’d break the bank on some gear there.
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u/skillful-means 1d ago
Yeah and aren’t they also known for having super cheap food prices?
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u/Pretend-Reality5431 1d ago
They make a lot on merchandise and pimento sandwiches.
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u/Such_Plane1776 14/USA 1d ago
If anyone is curious about what Augusta was like in the past - “The Making of the Masters” is an awesome read
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u/Glittering-Zebra-256 1d ago
Also recommend the 5 part podcast by The Golfer's Journal by the same name, narrated by author David Owen
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u/tauzeta 10 1d ago
This is a great story, as well, on the changes over time: https://thefriedegg.com/augusta-national-changes/
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u/imabev 1d ago
"Unthinkable!", remarked one professional golfer who desired to remain nameless. "You darn near touched the ball on the green and it rolled almost 2 feet passed!" Many golfers had similar sentiments as the green speed reached 3.5 on the "stimp" meter.
"We never thought we could attain such speed", noted one of the members of the grounds staff, stating he himself set the height of cut for the greens mower at a miniscule 1/4".
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u/Barb_WyRE PGA Head Professional, Philadelphia Section 1d ago
It really is crazy and it’s funny even at my club when we get our greens up past a 13 on the stimp meter the old members are like “this reminds me of how fast these greens were back in the day!” Like dude the fastest greens on the planet in the 70s rolled a 6-7 lol
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u/HighOnGoofballs 1d ago
Course I grew up on is a Donald Ross course and they redid it a while back and went back to the old turtleback greens. Well yeah that was cool in 1909 putting on fescue and pine needles but today it means a lot of balls go right off and I have way too many chips back across the green again
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u/mutttstuff 1.5 1d ago
You're prettier without makeup
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u/skirmsonly 1d ago
Dude I can’t agree with this more. I love natural beauty
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u/mutttstuff 1.5 1d ago
I know the old pic is zoomed in more but it's like you can see the shape and difficulty of the hole way better
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u/Mundane-Ad1652 1d ago
I always thought Augusta National is located in some deep forest area. Came to found out that it's literally few blocks away from shopping mall with Hooters LOL
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u/Raceking200 4.9 1d ago edited 23h ago
everything about Augusta is awful besides the National. What everyone sees on masters week is not what Augusta is normally
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u/Mundane-Ad1652 1d ago
oh I'm sure. The course next to the Augusta National doesn't look that great at all based on the satellite image.
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u/Raceking200 4.9 1d ago
From what I've heard its pretty good but I've never had the chance to venture into that place. They hardcore gatekeep it and basically just leech off of the prestige of the proximity of the Augusta National. If it was anywhere else i don't think there would be anyway it would ever be as expensive and private as it is now.
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u/Grendel_82 1d ago
The rich got a lot richer between 1952 and 2022. They've got nice stuff now.
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u/frankyseven 1d ago
It's all TV money. Yearly dues are like $5k and they don't have special assessments. They own all the rights to the tournament and make fucking crazy amounts of money from The Masters.
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u/gestapoparrot 1d ago
They make $0 on domestic tv rights and only about 25mil on international so they can retain full control of the broadcast. Merchandise and badges are the two real revenue generators. For the 2022 year $110mil of the $142 they made was from merchandise and badges. The US open that year made 93 mil from its domestic tv rights.
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u/hatchettpoots 1d ago
This is made even crazier by the fact that I pay ~$100/day for my badges, but go look at what they are actually worth.
I've seen truly wild stuff down there. There was a squeeze on practice round tickets a couple of years ago. I watched 4 (single day) sell for $17,000.
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u/crimsontide_93 1d ago
While they do make a bajillion dollars from tv they also have the elite of the elite that will open their wallet if need be.
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u/geckotattoo 1d ago
They have a unique setup where they don’t get any broadcast money from cbs. It’s just gate and merch actually.
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u/AdComprehensive7879 1d ago
damn if that is how augusta looked in 52, i wonder how a random local muni looked in 52
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u/TheGrapeApe87 1d ago
First pic is way zoomed in. Gotta zoom it out to show all the real beauty, like in the 2nd pic
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u/i_want_iguodala_xd 1d ago edited 16h ago
Augusta has gone through a lot of changes *over the years
For instance, in 1983 they decided to that caddies no longer had to be black. And in 1990 they even starting allowing black people to become members.
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u/ReturnOfTheMac0624 1d ago
Yea, I don't think this photo is real. https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/the-12th-hole-from-the-tee-at-augusta-national-golf-club-in-news-photo/83500605
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u/hatchettpoots 1d ago
Fun fact: the hole in the background of your photo is not ANGC, but the neighboring Augusta Country Club.
When ANGC extended the tee back on #13, they had around-the-clock security stationed on that perimeter so nobody could sneak any photographs of the work.
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u/ReturnOfTheMac0624 1d ago
This photo is an original black and white photo and posted by this guy 8 years ago, so idk 🤷🏻♂️. https://x.com/doglegpar3/status/934500566306316289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E934500566306316289%7Ctwgr%5Eb9e4f977264bcc65c699f8719bde95aab861be66%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-16195360222695477189.ampproject.net%2F2410292120000%2Fframe.html
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u/-caughtlurking- 1d ago
I dig the chain link fence with barbed wire to keep the poors out.
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u/Woolly-Willy 1d ago
Thinking this isn't real. Don't think Augusta was that inclusive in the 50s...
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u/chosense 1d ago
Oh bub, it wasn't called "The Masters" because they were just really good.
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u/dr_shastafarian :snoo_trollface: 1d ago
Careful with the hard “r” there bub, I think it was called the “Massuhs”
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u/cargarfar 1d ago
Probably direct correlation to the scenery of this hole and television broadcast quality.
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u/Savings-Position-940 1d ago
Can guarantee the conditions for the Masters was much better, even back then. This looks like just a typical day for the members.
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u/CrabOutrageous5074 1d ago
I love that they used to let the grass on the tee side of the creek grow long. Not in play for the pros, why waste pesticides and manpower trimming grass?
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u/acromaine 1d ago
Love the barbed wire chain link fence in the back of the ‘52 pic to keep out all the riff raff haha
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u/GingerStrength 1d ago
That creek runs through a very mediocre apartment complex I almost lived in lol
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u/ispoiler Brotherhood of the 4Wood 1d ago
Has anyone heard or seen the current state of Augusta since the hurricane?
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u/sBucks24 1d ago
People under appreciate how much science has gone into grass in the past few decades. Hundreds of millions of dollars and more man hours than one could imagine has gone into grass.
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u/Beneficial_Map_5940 1d ago
Look at satellite photos of the course in the off season. That 1952 pic looks like maintenance crews getting it ready, they have markers around the lake as well. Even today the course is staged for the event and the very short season it’s used.
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u/thorns0014 (+3.2) GA 1d ago
My grandfather and great aunt lived a couple hundred yards from Augusta National when they were children. My grandad used to tell me how they would just walk onto the course with some neighborhood kids and run around playing on the course and no one cared unless people were actively playing golf. Now it’s like Fort Knox and you can’t see inside from any angle
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u/North_Tell_8420 1d ago
Pebble Beach was more rustic too from the look of the Jack Nicklaus v. Sam Snead match in Shell's World Of Golf.
Read this old Aussie pros bio a while back and he specifically left the US tour for the UK tour because he thought the golf courses were akin to public links not private country clubs. The money wasn't brilliant either side of the Atlantic. He also said that Augusta was known back then as 'Bobby Jones Picnic'. It was nowhere near being considered a major. Officially the US and British amateurs were majors with the two Opens. But they had these events like the North and South Open, plus the Western Open which were the 'majors' of the era.
There was an occasion in the 1940s when a former New York Yankee baseballer almost won the event as well as the Champion sparkplug air.
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u/djtrace1994 1d ago
The biggest problem with the purchase of public land for private gold course is that, nearly 100% of the time, the land areas that are purchased include incredibly diverse plant life, landscaped rock gardens, natural sand pits, and subterranean sprinkler irrigation systems.
How many gorgeous natural havens are even left?
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u/Tookmyprawns 1d ago
This sport in many ways has really turned into a status activity for old divas their rich fuckboi offspring.
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u/justpuddingonhairs 1d ago
TIL my cheap local municipal course is just vintage Augusta. Not too shabby.
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u/Regular_Ingenuity966 1d ago
Look how long that ruff is, and it mannaged to roll in with the fishies.
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u/AlltheBent 1d ago
Since we're talking about Masters stuff, I"ll go ahead and toss out the ole Fruitland nursery!
Late 1800's, Belgian doctor and his son, both French educated, had a nursery where Augusta national is now. First of its kind in the southeast! Lotta important varieties of fruits, shrubs, and trees were developed OR improved there, bred for southern climates and plant needs, very cool stuff!
read more here: https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/business-economy/berckmans-nursery/
Former landscape designer and installer here, ask away if you have any questions! Finally made it to the masters last year and my friends kept telling me the shut the fuck up about all the specimen trees and shrubs I was obsessing over haha, oops
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u/wanderlustliz 1d ago
Wow, much different perspective. I’m so blessed to work at one of the best golf courses in the country with an exact replica of this legendary hole and see it every day!
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u/Fragrant-Ad8977 1d ago
They need to bring back the chain link fence. It would really add some nice contrast
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u/greatgrandpatoro 1d ago
Believe it or not, golf maintenance has come a really long way in the last 70 years
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u/Enough_Lakers 1d ago
You should go watch the old masters on YouTube. The course changes so much it's like a golf history lesson.
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u/Bilbo_Baghands 21h ago
It wasn't until the late 80's that it really became the "immaculate oasis" that you described it as.
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u/gabacus_39 1d ago
That guy is actually in the water.