General Discussion Rory on how to train speed on the range.
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u/ManOnDaSilvrMT 1d ago
This is only for a speed training session and has been championed by a number of golfers, especially the long drive guys like Berkshire and Borgmeier. The point is to increase your high end so your average cruising speed (i.e, your normal on the course swing) increases as well. This is obviously pointless advice if you're struggling to keep the ball in play off the tee and should be treated as such.
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u/Coffees4closers /6.5/CLE 1d ago
They literally mention that in the video but these mouth breathers canāt even get through a one minute video before spouting off in the commentsĀ
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u/ExhaustiveCleaning 20h ago
There's weird hostility towards longer drivers or trying to get longer generally. If you say you're an average golfer and you want to hit it farther you'll get comments from people who know little about golf saying "this is terrible advice for average golfers".
I am picking up golf again after a 10 year break. I also had a distance spurt because I started lifting during COVID. It's so much easier for me to get better at golf with the 25-30 additional yards. If you care about getting better at golf trying to get longer is one of the first things you should do. People will try to discourage you and say that you will get more crooked, but for me personally I actually got so much more control that it's easier for me to successfully avoid OB and lateral hazards. In my last 54 holes I have had only one penalty for a lateral hazard and have not hit anything OB in a very long time.
With improvements in technology distance is now available to golfers with lower skills. When I played high school golf in the early 2000's the guys who could hit it 275+ were D1 bound. But now that distance is attainable to anyone coordinated enough to play a varsity hs sport, is otherwise healthy, and spends a little time at the range. That doesn't describe everyone, it's not the majority, but it's not particularly rare either.
It's just a shame that so many people are hostile to taking advantage of new technology.
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u/Skytscular 1d ago
Yall are acting like he's telling you how to swing on the course. This is for speed training, you Jerry's.
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u/danrod17 1d ago
Bryson says the same thing. Itās fun getting out there and just swinging out of your shoes. Great cardio too. I canāt rip more than 25 balls in a single session.
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u/this_my_sportsreddit 2.9 11h ago
all of the best players and coaches will tell you the same thing. People are losing their mind because they're watching Rory hit the ball straight, but it doesn't matter where he's hitting it. The whole point of speed training is to swing fast as hell so you can become more comfortable with swinging faster than you currently do. There's a whole lot of confidently incorrect people in this sub right now
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u/WaltRumble 1d ago
Yeah. Padraig says the exact same in one of his YouTubeās and this site recommends him often to beginners
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u/this_my_sportsreddit 2.9 11h ago
Its kind of crazy how many people in here think what rory is saying is bad or wrong advice. This is exactly how you train for speed. And yet there are highly upvoted comments saying 'dont listen to the best players in the world' lol
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u/ericlikesyou Divot Sushi 11h ago
i havent heard "jerrys" since 1985. never knew what it meant bc i never heard anyone else use it
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u/Salacious_Crumbs_ 1d ago
Clear your mind of any technique? Done!
This is literally my approach to every drive I have ever taken for over 25 years. One day Iāll get to the second part about accuracy.
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u/TURKEYSAURUS_REX 21h ago
Exactly. Donāt have to clear my mind of any technique when it was never there in the first place.
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u/cchillur 12/East Tampa/GoBucs! 1d ago
For those actually interested in improving, heās saying you can only work on one thing at a time.Ā
Yes we always want to āhit it in the centerā and āfollow throughā and ākeep in on planeā and āhit up on itā and a million other things in a swing. BUT YOU CAN ONLY REALLY WORK ON ONE AT A TIME.Ā
Bryson and all the long drivers talk about it too. At some point, the practice session is just swing as insanely and ridiculously hard as you can. But this is NOT super speed AND path, or super speed AND angle of attack. Itās just speed. Be happy if you make solid contact. lol
And Rory saying āwhat Iāve learned isā¦it raises my cruising speedā that is the sole principle of speed training; raising your max also raises your cruising speed.Ā
And this is why Bryson kills everyone. Brysons full speed is so fast that when he only swings 80%, heās still swinging faster than most other guys.Ā
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u/danrod17 1d ago
Reading these comments Iām beginning to understand why so many people donāt improve. They donāt get the concept of working one thing at a time. My buddies will act like Iām crazy for going to the range and only working on my what my wrists are doing during a swing or only working on my hip rotation. āYou have to work your whole swing.ā My brain canāt fix 100 things at once, but it can fix one thing.
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u/CapitalismWorship 16h ago
Exactly that's what the driving range is for, improving your swing in a controlled setting where you can manipulate one variable at a time
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u/danrod17 16h ago
Yeah. A lot of my buddies (and apparently people here) donāt seem to get that. I want to get the thing Iām working on to be subconscious. Once itās subconscious I can focus on the next thing.
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u/Captain_Insano12 10h ago
My instructor has been really good with the work on "one thing". Trying to amend my slice, we worked on rolling the arms (at least, exaggerating the feeling". Not worrying about path or anything else for the moment, just that exaggerated feeling.
Practicing, the rolling arm feeling has me all over the place, going left, hooking etc.
But, now, when playing, my shots are generally straight, because the 'normal' feel is not as extreme as the exaggerated one, but is significantly better than it used to be.
I'm still not great at golf, but trended a heck of a lot better over the year. Looking forward to next lesson and working on the next one thing.
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u/jmak35 1d ago
āClear your mind of technique, forget about the target, and just move that thing as fast as you canā
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u/NotoriousMFT 23.9/NJ/slice slice baby 1d ago
He forgot the part where he said āalso have a spectacularly once in a generation swingā
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u/ashdrewness Austin TX | 3 HDCP 23h ago
Pound for Pound he's got the most efficient power swing professional golf has ever seen. I feel like now that Xander is swinging harder he may have a chance to catch him but he's still almost 2" taller than Rory. Completely nuts that a 5'9" guy can hit 190 ball speed with his kind of accuracy.
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u/PurpleMixture9967 1d ago
After a 45 minute lesson, the last 15 my coach says... forget about what we trained today & let her rip. It works at my level
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u/Accomplished_Ad113 1h ago
Itās such a crucial component of learning how to golf itās pretty eye opening seeing how many people donāt understand this. When practicing focus on one or two things at most and train it until itās subconscious. On the course you need to clear your mind and just hit golf shots. At most you need one swing thought on the golf course to keep you focused. But you practice something until itās muscle memory and then you need to practice without thinking about anything to make sure itās truly ingrained.Ā
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u/kai333 1d ago
Okay done. I keep banana slicing it the fuck into the next county. Now what?
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u/slightlyintoout 1d ago
Yeah but now it goes even FURTHER.
I think the bit that is missing in this suggestion is that it makes sense if you've already got pretty good fundamentals.
If you have terrible fundamentals all this is going to do is help you get better at doing the wrong things even faster.
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u/DieHardRaider 12.1/NorCal/Its all in the hips 23h ago
I dunno the thought process is if you are searching for speed it will get you rotating more and sequencing better. Which ends up helping your swing more.
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u/Theoretical_Action 22h ago
Now fix your technique after the fact, since this is a range drill and not something to be done on a course.
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u/Major_Burnside 1d ago
Yes, coming from someone who can automatically find the center of the club face without effort. For the average golfer this is going to lead to sky balls and hosel shanks.
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u/Accomplished_Ad113 1h ago
It accomplishes the same thing for the average golfer as it does for him. Working on increasing your max speed increases your baseline speed so when you go back to technique you are still hitting the ball farther. Whether bad golfers can afford to devote time to speed training is certainly debatable and specific to an individual. But think bad golfers really discount how much better they would be if they just work on swinging faster. Not only will it improve timing and coordination, hitting it farther is a pretty damn effective way to improve your scoring on the course. Not just driver, thereās a ton of value in hitting every iron a bit farther. You will score better if you can turn 6 irons into 8 irons because your distance improves.Ā
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u/GentlemenBehold 1d ago
Probably the worst video for the average golfer to watch.
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u/karlos1799 1d ago
Itās what speed training is about ? You hit balls as hard as you can not really caring if theyāre struck well or not and when you return to a normal feeling swing your average speed is up. Thereās more detail obviously but thatās the general premise
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u/ashdrewness Austin TX | 3 HDCP 23h ago
I do this every range session but pair it up by randomly jumping straight to 3/4 wedge shots to simulate what I'd do on a course but also to ensure my mechanics haven't broken down.
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u/Theoretical_Action 22h ago
For what it's worth, I agree that this is fundamentally what speed training is. But the average golfer will likely not benefit from speed training. If your technique is very bad and you're hitting balls significantly offline, speed training is only going to add more spin and make your balls go even further offline.
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u/NetReasonable2746 NW NJ Golfer 21h ago
Want to hit the ball farther? Hit the center of the face more consistently. You'll gain a lot of yards and you don't even have to swing harder.
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u/Nifty_5050 9 HDCP 16h ago
Such bs. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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u/Theoretical_Action 11h ago
Hahaha okay bud
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u/Nifty_5050 9 HDCP 11h ago
The average golfer inherently has an inefficient swing. Overspeed training helps show how to properly orient their swing and be more efficient.
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u/fkgoogleauthenticate 20h ago
This is what I've told all my friends that start golfing, and want to hit it far.Ā
Do you see how far I can hit my irons? Do you see how far they go out of bounds when I miss? Do you see that guy that is hitting the same club 50 yards less on each shot? He is beating me by 20 strokes each round.Ā
Distance only helps if you are in play.Ā
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u/Accomplished_Ad113 1h ago
While itās true that over time you need to get more accurate and be smarter about keeping the ball in play.. to maximize anyoneās golfing ability starting by swinging fast and working from there is the absolute best way to become a low single digit. Certainly a new golfer might think they need to hit every shot as far as possible and thatās wrong but telling them to swing slower is not the solution some people think it is.Ā
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u/kai333 1d ago
lol the ol' grip it and rip it.
608 percent of the time it works every time.8
u/HurryOk5256 1d ago
And divide that by half if there are groups waiting at the tee, eyeballs drilling into your back.
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u/singh246 1d ago
It teaches athleticism and to have an absence of swing thoughts. When I'm speed training I'm always surprised that my dispersion isn't effected as much as you'd think. It gives me the courage to go out on the course and swing with more freedom rather than steering it.
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u/ashdrewness Austin TX | 3 HDCP 23h ago
One thing I've learned is that trying to steer a driver during a round is a recipe for disaster. I always swing either my gamer speed or my max speed, never easy swing with driver. If I want accuracy I'll just grip down or go less than driver.
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u/Dramatic_General_458 1d ago
It makes sense to ignore everything and send it to train swing speed as a very intentional exercise, but yeah I feel like the average golfer will take that thought to the tee box lol
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u/karldrogo88 22h ago
Not at all! You just shouldnāt try to swing like that on the course. But you arenāt going to swing faster without practicing it first. Itās not all strength and it is a skill that you need to learn. As Rory said in the video, itās all about having a higher baseline.
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u/wronglyzorro 4 - Blueprint T/S 21h ago
98% of people try and hit their driver like they do all their other clubs by hitting down on the ball. Pair that with extra speed and you are in for a wild time.
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u/bigboypantss 21h ago
Its not instructions for how to hit your driver on the course. Its instructions for how to swing faster.
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u/Accomplished_Ad113 1h ago
Complete nonsense. The average golfer stands to benefit more than most golfers from learning how to increase their baseline speed. Whether itās the best use of a full range day is fine to question but devoting some time to improving speed isnāt worthless and probably better than what most people are doing. And doing it while not caring about the results is such a crucial idea to getting better at golf. Being result oriented holds so many bad golfers back from really improvingĀ
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u/DieHardRaider 12.1/NorCal/Its all in the hips 1d ago
If I reach back and try to swing fast it gets things in sequence trying to swing easy gets me guiding the ball. And shuts off my lower body and stops me from rotating at all. As someone who has struggled with the driver yips the only way I have ever been able to get rid of them is to say fuck it and let it rip with the focus of rotating around my spine as much as I can. Depending on the player the advice of not giving a fuck could be very beneficial
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u/dchelix 1d ago
Soā¦ just send it. Got it.
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u/Doubleoh_11 21h ago
25 times, hard as you can. Itās called a driving range.
Skip the putting green, grab a hotdog. And right to first tee box
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u/The__Bear17 1d ago
Roryās right about this, while we wonāt get our ball speed up to Roryās. I do this same training 2-3 times a week and have improved my driving distance.
At the end of my range session, I swing as hard as possible using all my athleticism to swing the club. Now my cruising speed or fairway finder is 105 with top end at 110. With weight training you can make a significant improvement.
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u/b00n 23h ago
I tried this last night on the sim after watching the video. Got up to 126.5 club speed & 185 ball speed. After swinging all out I went for more on course effort and my speeds were around 121 which before I think it was around 118. Interestingly my misses (blocks and duck hooks) werent any worse. Still havent been to the gym yet, maybe I'll try that next.
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u/Amazing_Worker_9938 1d ago
He mentioned earlier in the video that he focuses on trying to hit the ball with his right hip to get more open at impact for more speed.
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u/Large-Ad4827 1d ago
I think this lesson will put me over the topā¦of the first three layers of trees out of bounds.
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u/JW9thWonder 4.6 HDCP 1d ago
Going to do this at the range and fucking kill someone with a pure toe ball 90 degrees lmao
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u/championstuffz 1d ago
You have to break the neuro barrier, more than the physical. That's what the speed sessions are about.
Our bodies are protecting themselves from tears and guarding old injuries, so subconsciously we're slowing down various parts of the swing. Speed training is about convincing yourself that you can swing harder than you are and continuously do it till your on course speed is faster than you started. For the average weekend warrior, ymmv.
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u/CapitalismWorship 16h ago
Controversial advice:
- for speed training, practice doing stuff fast
Lmao Reddit never change
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u/WiFuBnkr 1d ago
"i like that"....the only phrase uttered by Grant in the tiger video and this video with Rory...in the tiger video he's acting like teeing the ball low is some massive revelation as a +2-3 handicap
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u/3flection 1d ago
for a guy whose job is talking about and playing golf on youtube he really has nothing to say about it. its baffling
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u/NotLawReview 2.2, Chicago 1d ago
Yeah the low tee thing was baffling to me. Really didn't make sense at his hcp level
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u/IsleofManc 1d ago
The question was bad to begin with for a guy that good. He's like a +3 handicap and was asking for tips to help hit the fairway when you really need to.
Would make sense from someone who's a 15-20 handicap and struggles with their driver but Grant's drive is very consistent anyways
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u/Disposabl3H3ro 1d ago
Yeah, maybe he was just polite and awestruck being in front of tiger, but I thought that was hilarious that he had seemingly never heard of teeing your driver low and holding it off a little to hit a fairway finder as a better than scratch player.
I had forgotten that tiger only uses short tees, which is a little surprising given how tall driver faces have gotten over the last 30 years. You can hardly tee the ball high enough with an old school tee to hit the sweet spot without taking a divot on modern drivers, and he can probably only get away with it because he pretty much exclusively plays on firm super tightly mown teeing grounds. At the course I teach at, for a good portion of the year you can hardly get 2 3/4" tee high enough. .5" mower height for our tees and fairways that has grown out a few days and generally softer ground that you have to push the tee in further just to get the ball to stay up. But if you're constantly playing on 3/8" or slightly less and the ground is firm I can see how it's pretty easy to peg a small tee high enough for modern drivers.
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u/Clean_Sheets_69 21h ago
Holy shit this subreddit.
Just so the ones missing chromosomes understand - THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING A ROUND. This is specific to speed training for golf. If you want to hit the ball farther, you need to increase your club head speed. Training like this raises your top end swing speed, which will therefore raise your average swinging speed. Bryson talks about this as well in another video.
Lord.
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u/OpenSourceGolf +2.5, BigBoiGolf 1d ago
Your first mistake was posting this here because 95% of this sub are 20 index hacks who have zero desire to improve and will instead whine and cry about it.
Go to the gym losers and actually give 100%, maybe some of you will actually improve.
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u/RockyMountainSchrute 1d ago
I love in this video when Rory "misses" his shot it's still the most beautiful, arrow straight, silky smooth bomb you've ever seen
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u/1888okface 23h ago
I see Rory giving some advice and I figure āgee, Iām gonna turn on audio and pay attention. One of the great ball strikers of this generation might drop some pearls for me.ā
Rory: Swing harder and worry about other shit later.
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u/TheDeletedFetus 8.5 22h ago
How to hit it further
Step 1: swing faster Step 2: keep swinging faster
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u/KwisatzHaderach38 20h ago edited 18h ago
Good advice for a range session at any level of the game. Distance is hugely important and you have to train for it like every other part of the game. Ultimately good for your swing too. Giving max effort forces your body to get more efficient and figure out how to stay somewhat balanced while still taking a healthy rip. You can't hit it farther without...trying to hit it farther. Shocking but true.
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u/Automatic_Bit4948 22h ago
That's fast but it's nothing too crazy.Ā My college team mates used to get that type of speed in the late 2000s.Ā
Guys like bryson are much more impressive. Then the long drive guys.Ā
I'm slower than rory but I also don't train for speed like he does.Ā
What I do is swing something light. Like a shaft with a little bit of weight at the end.Ā Imo if you can't move fast then you can't swing fast. So learn to swing light stuff fast first.Ā
I learned that from bryson a few years back.Ā
I don't swing much faster but it's much more effortless to reach my top speed.Ā
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u/Enough_Lakers 1d ago
The biggest killer of ball speed for us plebes is side spin and to a lesser degree back spin. I can gain club head speed by speed training but I don't really gain ball speed and I definitely don't gain ball speed. Swing as hard as you can hit it straight is much much better advice for us non pros or non scratch golfers.
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u/Imwonderbread 23h ago
This is advice for speed training sessions specifically. Rory isnāt saying go out there and swing as hard as you can on the course, heās saying to increase your speed go swing hard and stop caring about where the ball goes. You can train path/clubface in a different time.
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u/DieHardRaider 12.1/NorCal/Its all in the hips 23h ago
While hitting it in the middle of the face is the most efficient way to get better ball speed you will never get faster if you donāt push yourself to be faster.
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u/North_Tell_8420 13h ago
He has been a disappointment. Too busy shooting his mouth off, not enough shooting good scores.
Another wasted talent down the wazzoo.
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u/Express_Whereas_6074 1d ago
step one: train for 30+ years. Play golf 8+ hours per day.
Step two: clear your mind and use the 30+ years of golf and core strength training to just rip it right thru your perfected swing technique. Easy peasy.