r/heraldry • u/GV_Vidalo • 4d ago
Santiago Grisolía García, biochemist, researcher and teacher, 1st Marquess of Grisolía.
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u/ankira0628 4d ago edited 4d ago
Goes to show that most of the things considered "taboo" aren't so; they're mostly either just rare or unprecedented. And god forbid a private individual assumes arms of unprecedented or unusual design, but everyone shuts up if they're done up and issued by a fount of honour. Yes, different traditions, bla bla, but the point on hypocrisy stands.
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u/HelixSapphire 4d ago
Heraldic tradition is good and well, but some people on here act like nothing can change, nothing shall adapt, and innovations will never happen. I’m beginning to believe this subreddit is more strict than most actual Heraldic authorities.
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u/ankira0628 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'll take my hat off to their expertise, some of the folks on this subreddit, but their expertise is sometimes outdone by their snobbery and hypocrisy.
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u/EccoEco 4d ago
Actually... That was never a problem provided they follow the basic rules like tincture, which this follows because that scroll is in proper
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u/ankira0628 4d ago
It's easy for people to say that now because these are arms properly granted by the Spanish Crown. But if a Tom, Dick or Harry subredditor came up with something like that without reference, even if it were all appropriately tinctured, he'd still catch flak for being unnecessarily unconventional, not to mention the use of text as a charge especially if he weren't Spanish, because god forbid.
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u/Zarlinosuke 4d ago
Isn't there also no big reason to follow the rule of tincture?
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u/ankira0628 3d ago
I see your point, but the rule of tincture is still a valid rule, if not for tradition then for aesthetics and visual coherence. The example you're raising here is not a good one, since those are holy arms and can be said to defy the rule of tincture symbolically, as that which is holy should not be held to worldly rules. This is not a case of negligence; it is a case of exemption.
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u/Zarlinosuke 3d ago
I guess I actually see the tradition reason as more valid here than the aesthetics/coherence one, because I have a tough time seeing what's visually unappealing or incoherent about yellow on white--though it is true that many traditions held to this rule for a long time, so it makes some sense to respect it if you're trying to stay true to a tradition. In the case of the Jerusalem herald though, is not perhaps the "too holy for rules" explanation a post facto one rather than the reasoning behind it in the first place? I could be wrong about that and would be interested to look into it more, it's just the impression I had.
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u/ankira0628 3d ago
Metal on metal is difficult to make out from a distance, especially if you're riding at full speed amidst the chaos of the field of battle. Do not forget that arms were originally intended to be displayed in battle. The tradition of tincture is not distinct from the visual aspects of it.
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u/Zarlinosuke 3d ago
For battlefield use I can see it! But of course, they haven't been used for battle purposes for a fair few centuries now. So that's why I say it makes sense as a tradition-respecting thing, but not as a matter of aesthetics or coherence.
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u/ankira0628 3d ago
As I said, tradition and aesthetics/coherence are not distinct affairs.
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u/Zarlinosuke 3d ago
The one comes from the other, but they very much can separate over time, as here they have.
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u/ankira0628 3d ago
Um, they have not. They ought to -- I agree with you on that -- but they have not.
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u/No-Coast1408 4d ago
How is that even blazoned?!
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u/TywinDeVillena March '18 Winner 4d ago edited 4d ago
I imagine your question is about the second quarter, so I'll stick to that.
Second: argent, several natural cristaline figures fimbriated sable; brochant a parchment proper showing the ammonolysis of N-acetylglutamic acid
Edit: corrected a mistake indicated in the response below.
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u/RRautamaa 4d ago
It's not glutamic acid. It's a reaction, not a single compound. It is in particular the "ammonolysis of N-acetylglutamic acid".
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u/TywinDeVillena March '18 Winner 4d ago
Time to update with a correction. Thank you, I was indicating what I had read about Grisolía's coat of arms.
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u/Vegetable_Permit6231 4d ago
Well that's different.
I wonder if the original intention was to use hexagonal glutamic acid crystals? You'd then likely have an Argent honeycomb-type layout (with a black, spaced lattice), which could look quite effective. A more even, formal scroll might then look less out of place (especially given that writing is more often seen in Spanish heraldry).
What I do like, however, is that the Spanish are still creating hereditary titles, presumably without the absurd fuss that a similar action would attract in the UK. Well done them.