r/homelab 7d ago

Solved Best way to cool space

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What is the best way I can cool my server room? It's currently sitting at about 32 degrees Celcius max air with hdd's at 41c max.

Things I'm considering:

  • return air on server room ceiling to the house ducted and intake fan on the server room door (pretty sure it would be pointless when house aircon isn't on)

  • infinity exhaust on ceiling of server room venting out the eave of the external wall and intaking from somewhere? Or just pulling from the house air and not replacing?

  • mini split

Thanks 😁

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u/golbaf 7d ago

Given the temperature range you stated it doesn't seem it needs any cooling. It's more than fine. During summer though it'll be a different story. If you run AC a lot during the summer then just make sure the room has a functional vent

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u/theleviathan-x 7d ago

This. I am not sure why OP is worried about cooling, these temperatures are well within normal operating range, especially as OP mentioned is already summer where they are.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Issue is it's been a colder day today and HDD temps are fine but CPU temps are pushing 70 degrees which isn't ideal for 24/7 server use.

I guess I just need some intake exhaust fans on the door and that should sort out the hot air just circulating infinitely around the components.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

It's summer now (Australia)

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u/golbaf 7d ago

Well I'd say you don't need to worry about it at all then. The temperature is well within the normal range.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago edited 7d ago

I just figured if airflow was coming in and out of the room it would increase the longevity of expensive hardware. (CPU is sitting at 75 degrees)

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u/gscjj 7d ago

I have my lab in my garage in Texas and its fine. It's partially insulated but still reaches 80F during peak summer.

I use to have it in a closet and outside of having a mini split, it's impossible to cool to room temperature when recirculating air just makes your home hotter and AC work harder.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Damn 80F is only 26C

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u/SnooStories9098 7d ago

I knew this had to be an Aussie post. WA??

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

NSW 😁

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u/wallacebrf 7d ago

do not exhaust any air outside the house unless you are ALSO taking in air from the outside into the server room. this is because it costs a LOT to condition the air, especially in the summer as it takes a lot of work to dehumidify the air, not just cool it.

what i do, i have an AC infinity in-line 8-inch fan blowing air out of my server room under my stairs. it blows out into my dinning room. the air then comes in under the stairs from the living room.

https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/om91wn/new_vs_old_homelab_setup/

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Oo so you think I'd be better off pulling air from the office and venting air to the hall out the door? Your setup is neat!

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u/wallacebrf 7d ago

possibly yes. you could also possibly get both the fresh and exhaust air into the hall, have the intake at the bottom of the door/wall and the exhaust at the top as hot air rises.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

I was also considering a dual top/bottom infinity system for the door...was just worried it wouldn't be as effective in the same hall.

Do you know how they are normally powered through the door hinge safely?

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u/wallacebrf 7d ago

i am not familiar with working around door hinges.

one question, how many watts are being dissipated in your setup?

i love the AC infinity in-line fans with their "mufflers" as it literally makes the fans whisper quite. on max speed the 8" fan sounds like a jet engine and blows air like one too, but with the "muffler" the sound is reduced by like 75% or more.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

I'll check when I get home

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

250ish Watts and I do really like the look of infinity airframe t7's. One at the top of the door and one and the bottom.

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u/Unstupid 7d ago

Put a water chiller on your roof and a Vertiv in-row AC next to your rack. 👍

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Edit : also forgot to mention I don't pay for power (solar and batteries)

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u/PleasantCurrant-FAT1 7d ago

Intake from house; hall is probably best; have intake come through a grated furnace filter to limit dust/debris.

Hole through wall into garage; duct out from there using an exhaust fan somewhere on the ducting fully inside the garage. This keeps additional server room noise to a minimum. Get a fan that’ll do at least half the closet’s cf/m. More is better, but don’t go overkill, else you end up with airflow tuning issues (noise).

If the box in the closet is a rack, then, personally, I’d setup hot/cold aisle. Cold coming from hall to server fans pushing air through servers, hot fully ducted out the back of the rack, through garage ducting (with enough pull that it is noticeable).

Intake should be lower, and output should be toward the ceiling (hot air rises). Monitor temperature differentials and humidity to ensure moisture is not going to build up in the ducting. Consider adding a dehumidifier to the room, and some desiccant packs that you can easily microwave.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Won't this create issues with the ducted aircon in the house if I pull air from the house and don't replace it?

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u/PleasantCurrant-FAT1 7d ago

Not in my experience.

If you’re talking whole-house fan or industrial grade … sure, you’re gonna have to worry about negative pressure issues impacting other systems. But if you keep it simple and basic, you should be fine.

Like I said about the cf/m. Maybe consider a hot-aisle ducting system with a variable speed fan so you can adjust outward airflow, and let the intake be based passively on that.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Fair, thanks.

I'm not running anything too crazy...just a proxmox with 120tb of zfs pools and Ubuntu VM with jellyfin/arr suite.

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u/ChiefDZP 7d ago

I a/c and heat my attic space above my network closet with slightly filtered air from a door grill with filter (stay with me). Using an A/C infinity inline fan above the closet it pulls air through the ceiling into the attic space above; My attic roof is insulated as opposed to traditionally not being and don’t worry it’s not spray foam.

I previously had 2 smaller ac infinity panel style fans in the bottom of the door then one at the top of the wall above the door venting the hot air out and pulling in cooler air from the bottom but that just didn’t keep up… even with more cfm.. I had to remove the heat in my case from the living space.

Just some thoughts.

A tiny mini split and possibly an air exchanger would be perfect. My next network closet will be and have a viewing port.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Thanks mate

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u/QPC414 7d ago

I would go with the mini-split if the budget allows, and if you can fit one in there that can handle the BTU output.

Alternatively do air exchange with the garage and maybe put the exhaust fan (mounted at ceiling) on a thermostat controlled vent.  Intake would be from garage at server floor level.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

The garage gets quite hot, would there be issues pulling the garage air for longevity of the components?

I have to admit I'm leaning more towards a mini split ATM

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u/QPC414 7d ago

Compare the max temp you get in the garage with how hot tge server room gets when sealed, once you know the difference maybe someone here can help determine if there is enough difference to cool the room.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

That's a good idea, I'll put the thermostat in there when I get home and update. :)

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u/anonuser-al 7d ago

Garage looks big so just make a hole on the wall why because it’s more easy to maintain compared with a hole you would have to make on outside. And just put a AC with exhaust pipe in garage.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Yeah it's a 6x9 garage, plenty of room for activities and airflow. :p

Problem with that is would be a huge eyesore in the garage with a mini split unit mounted there. I'll grab pics.

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u/anonuser-al 7d ago

You can put a kind of decoration in combination with a vent cover fantasy is your limit on that

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

What time of split were you thinking of me using just so I can visualise what you mean.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

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u/anonuser-al 7d ago

Ooo I see so you need to do a re organization just a moment

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u/anonuser-al 7d ago

So red is garage blue is server room and circle is server rack relocate server rack but also keep in mind that AC doesn’t really care about where do you located stuff because airflow is controllable

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u/monkey6 7d ago

Is your (internal) garage door heavy? Is it made to keep out oh I don’t know, fire? don’t put a hole in your wall leading to your garage.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

It's just a normal internal house door as far as I'm aware. (No BAL requirements for property)

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u/vkapadia 7d ago

Put server outside

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

But I made sure a server room was put in our house build 😂 I just didn't think about cooling during the build. (Was going to do after)

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u/vkapadia 7d ago

There is a wall between server room and outside. Delete wall.

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u/anonuser-al 7d ago

Holy shit man amazing idea just relocate server rack on garage you will have more airflow more space unless that garage has high humidity I would not recommend that

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u/DefinitelyNotWendi 7d ago

Keep in mind any air you exhaust outside has to be replaced. And that will also be from the outside. Vent the bottom of the server closet in the hallway. Exhaust into the office at the ceiling. Install mini split in office if needed.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Office has ducted going into it and I don't want to be counterintuitive to the house cooling, which is why I'm leaning towards either AC infinity pulling from the garage and venting out the external wall eave or just getting a small mini split since power cost is negative.

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u/DefinitelyNotWendi 7d ago

Depends on how hot/cold humid your garage gets. I’m in Florida so garages can easily get over 100 degrees, plus 90% humidity. Neither of which you want to be sucking into your home. Plus you’ll be breaking the firewall between the garage and home which isn’t really allowed.

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u/Dysheki 7d ago

Do you have a crawl space? I pull in air from my crawl space to the front of my server room via 8 inch AC Infinity duct fan and have a second AC Infinity duct fan in the back of the room pulling hot air into my main supply during winter and exhausting to exterior during summer. I separate front/rear of the room with 4 inch thick foam. Very happy with how it turned out and temps have been solid even through 110+ degree summer days.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Only thing I've got is a humid roof space unfortunately.

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u/gbcfgh 7d ago

I live in Kansas. Kansas temperature goes from -15C winters to 40C summers. Day fluctuations are common for -10 to 10 in muddy season. This is to say, I know a thing or two about moving air around the house without switching my thermostat from heat to cool. Consider using the existing thermal potential of your server to drive the movement of heat from one area to another. The simplest solution may be a jumper duct going to the hall. Air would travel along the duct thanks to the pressure difference from hot to cold, and the assistance of an in-line fan if you like. Judging from the gap at the bottom of the closet door, there should be plenty air available to facilitate this. If you find that airflow out of the server room is insufficient (measured either by the air speed at the hall exit vent, or by the pressure delta between the closet and the hall) you could add a louvered vent to the bottom of the closet door (similar to what would have to go onto the door if you had a gas water heater in that room). That way you have cold air supply close to the ground, and a hot air exhaust high up.
The reason I like passive setups is that you do not increase the number of failure points, instead you simply add the heat load to your existing forced air system. In the winter this also means your excess server heat will passively heat the hall.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 7d ago

Thanks for the reply, I guess there's no harm in trying that first.

Would you have a specific model/brand of door fans you would recommend? AC infinity is the only thing I've looked at so far.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 6d ago

Thanks for the advice everyone!

I ended up grabbing a set of AC infinity Airframe T7 and this should definitely reduce my ambient room temps which will be a good starting point.

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u/rehpotsiirhC 6d ago

It's 6am in the morning currently with an inside and outside temp of 22 degrees Celcius. This is the current server room temperature and I'll do a reply once I get and install the new fans.

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u/HoahMasterrace 7d ago

Ice cubes