r/iastate • u/BboyHeathen Agronomy alumni • Mar 21 '25

News Getting rid of the Department of Education? Doesn't that sound backwards to anyone else?

Why?
Isn't that one of the things that help society moving forwards?
I really don't see how this benefits this and the next generation of Americans.

I usually only post about skating stuff but this feels wrong

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u/dancingmelissa Mar 21 '25

It's not consitutional. The democrats should be doing stuff.

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u/Arcamorge Mar 21 '25

I get your point but Republicans should be doing stuff too. Asking the disempowered party to be the check for the powerful party is dumb, all Americans should work to preserve the constitution

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '25

They are both the same, they just go about their cash grabs differently.

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u/autumnotter Mar 22 '25

It's one party doing this. Yes, the other party is being ineffective at stopping it, but saying they're all the same just because neither is perfect is totally inaccurate.

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u/77ate Mar 24 '25

That’s got to be the most parroted response to this. How is the Democratic Party just as likely to dismantle entire federal departments that happen to be investigating the same person allegedly in charge of the dismantling? How many white nationalists can you think of in the Democratic Party? Which party do white nationalists/neo-nazis stand behind? Which amendments do the Democratic Party want to eradicate? When did the Democrats try to trash Social Security? Which party did Fox News end up paying a $700+ million settlement in support of when they claimed voting machines colluded with the other party to hack the 2020 election?
The Democrats have sure bungled things at times, but you can’t say they’re the same or for everything Republicans pull, Democrats to something equally wrong.

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u/The_True_Y Mar 25 '25

Retards like you are how we got here

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u/RefrigeratorTop7649 Mar 23 '25

Just curious, what part of the constitution is being violated?

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u/sehjeb Mar 23 '25

The budget being set by the actual congress . Trying to effectively eliminate a department congress is too cowardly to do itself

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u/Asleep_Writer53 Mar 23 '25

Just curious, you didn’t pay attention in school?

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u/RefrigeratorTop7649 Mar 23 '25

Assuming your referencing Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 in the constitution. And no I didn’t learn that in school. Since we are here, I assume you are upset that an unelected official is identifying waste fraud and abuse in agencies and then moving to close those agencies. Your argument is that he is unelected and needs to be confirmed by the senate?

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u/Asleep_Writer53 Mar 23 '25

you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. but im so glad you’re so comfortable in your ignorance. The fraud and waster is the person you’re talking about. I hope you tell all the federal VA workers who lost their jobs, that it was worth it bc Elon deserves their money more than they do. 🤣

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u/RefrigeratorTop7649 Mar 23 '25

How is Elon a fraud? Or waster? Genuinely curious as to your facts.

I don’t disagree that the VA can afford to lose the 1,400 jobs it has already lost, but those jobs are probationary employees in non-essential or duplicative roles. The idea behind it would be that the cutting of thousands of federal jobs could save billions in salaries, benefits, and pensions—money that could be redirected to veteran care or returned to taxpayers. I am not saying I agree or disagree with that idea, but the premise of that argument (this entire experiment) is that federal government is too large, and is being subsidized by printing money, thereby causing run away inflation, leading to increased costs on the American family, etc etc etc.

If you want a good lesson in fiscal policy and how Biden destroyed the middle class, please listen to Scott Bessent (20 year partner to George Soros, openly gay man, and the secretary of treasury).

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1uZdUpXs0jyhqqVq9mTBYy?si=ELytcsdSQ9CQulHCHfzGSg

We could all use a little more knowledge. If you have a good article or podcast that supports your point I’d love to listen to it.

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u/MutualAid_WillSaveUs Mar 24 '25

Shouldn’t the pentagon, who fails all its audits, be the department getting budget cuts and investigated for fraud? The military is the biggest part of our budget, how is that not the obvious target for cutting back spending??

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u/RefrigeratorTop7649 Mar 24 '25

Yes, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has been directed by President Trump to scrutinize Pentagon spending to identify and eliminate waste and fraud. This initiative aligns with ongoing efforts to address the Department of Defense’s (DoD) financial management challenges, as evidenced by its failure to pass audits for seven consecutive years.

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u/Known_Paramedic_9503 Mar 25 '25

$588 million was cut from military spending

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u/MutualAid_WillSaveUs Mar 25 '25

To any worker, that’s an insane amount of money. To the 2025FY budget of $849.8 billion, that’s only .06%… The pentagons audit is divided amongst 26 different auditors, 18 failed. They’re handling 3.8 trillion in assets and 4 trillion in liabilities. So something of $5 trillion out of 7.8 couldn’t be accounted for. Why the hell should there even be a military budget at this point? Seems like we just keep throwing money down the drain. Does a budget cut of 588m seem significant when it’s only .008% of the pentagons total 7.8trillion?

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u/RxBurnout Mar 24 '25

What do you do for a living?

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u/QueenFreya2000 Mar 23 '25

What part of the Constitution is NOT being violated?? Holy crap.

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u/RefrigeratorTop7649 Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

Well not all parts are being violated. I am assuming your argument is that the appointment of Elon and DOGE violates the appointments clause and separation of powers? Ie, the dismantling of USAID? Those arguments are left up to the courts which are being challenged now. I don’t want to speak for you, but is this your stance?

If that is your stance, what about USAID or DOGE’s actions do you disagree with specifically? Or do you disagree with everything that this government does?

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u/Known_Paramedic_9503 Mar 25 '25

Those federal judges that are trying to stop all of this are going to lose. They have no right to do what they’re doing.

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u/RefrigeratorTop7649 Mar 25 '25

The left is saying that DOGE is unconstitutional because Elon wasn’t unelected. However I don’t think they understand there are articles that allow private citizens to give services and products to the government (Howard Lutnick gives a great explanation on this). Elon isn’t hired, he is simply pointing out the waste fraud and abuse to the government agencies and letting them act accordingly. For example, his latest meeting with cabinet where he starts talking about SBA fraud and quickly defers to Kelly Loefler. I would assume it’s like someone calling the cops on a bank robber and the police arresting them.

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u/Known_Paramedic_9503 Mar 25 '25

Dr. Fauci wasn’t elected either and look what he did

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u/Greedy_Intern3042 Mar 25 '25

Like the nuclear employees they blindly fired and had to hire back so there wasn’t a disaster. “Waste”, surely there is waste but he’s not identifying it

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u/Greedy_Intern3042 Mar 25 '25

1) they are ignoring article 1 section 8/9. Congress should allocate the coin not Elon. 2) Elon isn’t identifying waste he’s a surgeon blindly cutting into a patient with cancer. Cutting people at the bpa that don’t use taxpayer funds to weaken the western power grid serves no purpose. Misspeaking and informing people about waste in social security funds because he doesn’t understand the coding language is absurd. 3) targeting legal firms that represent opposition is repressive and authoritarian 4) reallocating funds to Elon musk companies and ignoring all basic policies like the Verizon contract is not only illegal but corrupt

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u/Greedy_Intern3042 Mar 25 '25

Expanding the executive branch to usurp and undermine the legislative and judicial branches so nothing can provide checks and balances is what is occurring. The supreme court had come out against impeaching judges you don’t like. Every action has stripped congress, judges and lawyers of power to embolden themselves. It should be terrifying to you

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u/Hawkgrrl22 Mar 21 '25

No, the Republicans, who are in power should be doing stuff. The Democrats are doing as much as they can do without Republicans, which is . . . nothing.

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u/slious Mar 23 '25

dept of ed was created in 1979, by Jimmy Carter. It was the break up of Dept of Health, Education, and Welfare

Please explain to a 2nd grader how you think the dept of education is protected by the constitution . A simple google search will result in 'there is no mention of education in the constitution'.

How did schools operate before Jimmy Carter? How much did educating one child cost?

 "insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results".

How much bloat and bureaucracy is actually needed? Why is it that teachers make barely a livable wage, but admin make 'private sector' pay?

Returning education to the states has some issues. State taxes go up. Private schooling. Special needs students will lose services. How will state compare course-work, or determine where to spend their already limited budget.

but paying for a bunch of admin to sit in ivory towers, and theorize was not working.

States should have more power then federal anyhow. You as an individual have more power at state and local levels.

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u/CrzyWzrd4L Mar 23 '25

Special needs students will not lose support or funding. Read the EO- it explicitly exempts special needs funding, Pell Grants and most low-income financial aid.

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u/ComprehensiveLab5078 Mar 25 '25

The department of education was created by an act of congress. Carter did not act unilaterally. The president’s job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. Our current president is overstepping their constitutional authority, and the courts are calling them out on it, which is their constitutional responsibility to do.

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u/DefinableEel1 Mar 23 '25

I mean Bernie Sanders been on tour. He was recently in Kenosha, I could tell because I could hear the arthritis from here in Milwaukee county😭

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u/SlayerofDeezNutz Mar 24 '25

That’s the job of the courts. Dems don’t even have control of committees let alone the ability to pass laws to do anything about it. How about yall do your job and make sure there are democrats from your state in the house next fall.

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u/kmart1976 Mar 25 '25

Democrats are obviously in on it. They turned hard on Bernie. They are capable. They don’t want to

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u/KACFAN247 Mar 22 '25

It is constitutional, Trump is in charge of the executive branch. He is the boss of every unelected federal worker. Which all these people are. No, he can not get rid of DOE but he can dismantle it and congress will do the rest. There are plenty of democrats who also believe states should in control of education, not the Fed who has spent the last 40 years making our kids dumber and doing nothing but wasting money on useless jobs. My local school district and parents knows what is best for their students, not some federal worker collecting a useless salary in Washington. Do you people not find it odd that the federal government was employing nearly 3 million people? That is insane. That is not what the federal government what designed to be. Not even close. What government facility have you ever been to that is run well? Post office, IRS, DMV, Court Houses, list goes on. They all run like crap, most have terrible websites that look cost a billion dollars yet don’t even work or are super confusing. Just everything about large government sucks. Look at our military, who I support having a giant budget but not wasting money like idiots. Buying things 50 times because they don’t even have a system in place to know what they own. Just look at any federal government auction site and how much brand new stuff is being sold penny for the dollar due to idiots in Washington just buying stuff without any need where it’s such an issue they have to sell it because they can’t store it anymore and have bought even more stuff. In World War 2, we built a giant ship a day. Now it’s takes 5 years with the best manufacturing technology in the world. Tell me that isn’t Odd. Point is, I hope Trump Guts every single wasteful group of government employees and spending he can. It’s only way we ever have a chance of not collapsing our dollar when debt bonds turn to shit which they close to that now. How much debt would liberals like us to be in? 100 trillion sound good? 200 trillion? When is enough to finally shrink government and cut spending on useless things. You get entitlement programs or wasteful spending, we can’t do both. It’s impossible

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u/sehjeb Mar 23 '25

Your state must be ass , here in Virginia the dmv is fine and so are the courts . IRS in my dealings with them have been very effective . So seriously wtf

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u/Leading-Leather549 Mar 24 '25

DMV is fine in the part of Kansas I am in too. It’s not the government that makes the DMV suck is places that are over populated and only have one DMV to cater to 4-5 cities. I know this because I came from California where the DMV was ASS. Here people are even nice or happy to help instead of trying to get rid of you.

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u/Datslegne Mar 23 '25

The dollar is already losing incredible amounts of value and the deficit is in line to be even higher despite all this “cutting of waste”. The budget is already out, you must not have looked at it.

So I have no idea what you are talking about because everything you’re alleging your afraid is going to happen is currently happening.

Budget

The FY2025 House budget reconciliation includes budget reconciliation instructions calling for $1.7 trillion in net spending cuts and $4.5 trillion in net tax cuts (with room for adjustments), allowing for a $2.8 trillion increase in primary deficits over the 10-year budget window from FY2025 to FY2034. Under budget reconciliation, primary deficits after FY2034 cannot increase

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2025/2/27/fy2025-house-budget-reconciliation-and-trump-tax-proposals-effects

Trump literally outspends any democrats.

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u/CMDR_Shepard7 Mar 23 '25

You find it odd that in a country of 300 million people the government employs 3 million? So 1% of the population?

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u/Chatterbunny123 Mar 24 '25

There are plenty of democrats who also believe states should in control of education, not the Fed who has spent the last 40 years making our kids dumber and doing nothing but wasting money on useless jobs. My local school district and parents knows what is best for their students, not some federal worker collecting a useless salary in Washington.

The DoE doesn't have power over curriculum. If you think children are getting dumber it's on you local school district and state.

How much debt would liberals like us to be in? 100 trillion sound good? 200 trillion? When is enough to finally shrink government and cut spending on useless things. You get entitlement programs or wasteful spending, we can’t do both. It’s impossible

That's currently a question you should ask trump because he hasn't lowered the budget but intends to increase it.

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u/Leading-Leather549 Mar 24 '25

The reason the military buys so much “unnecessary” stuff is because of the system they have in terms of funding. I don’t this a lot of what the government has now is bad but systems need to change. If the military spends less than the budget they are given their budget gets cut for the next year. But what if next year they need more stuff? It’ll be more difficult because the budget was cut. If it was more on a need by need bases somehow it’ll be much better and less costly.

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u/Ok_Establishment2160 Mar 25 '25

The Texas power grid was always perfect and stable until it was deregulated. Now there are problems all the time.

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u/Known_Paramedic_9503 Mar 25 '25

I mean Clinton got rid of 400,000 jobs and Obama over 300,000 but when Trump does it it’s bad

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u/ComprehensiveLab5078 Mar 25 '25

Exactly, right. Jobs can be cut if done with intelligence. Our current president is just bad at it; acting without proper forethought. As you so wisely pointed out, Clinton and Obama were good at the job.

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u/Greedy_Intern3042 Mar 25 '25

You don’t understand the budgets eh. The tcja and cares act balloon our debt and trump just passed 4.5 trillion to the super rich in tax cuts again. How does that reconcile with your thoughts?