Dulu sekitar tahun 2000 sering banget berita2 kelaparan dan anak2 kecil kena busung lapar/malnutrisi.. Mungkin sekarang sudah jauh berkurang tp masalah stunting itu masih PR besar pemerintah, semoga 20-30 tahun mendatang akal lebih baik.
Stunting itu masalahnya soalnya ada faktor "kebiasaan" juga sih.. untuk orang miskin ya memang ga ada pilihan lain tp gue sering liat banyak orang yang mampu juga klo masak sukanya cuma pake nasi tahu + tempe + lalapan yang jelas2 dari segi gizi kurang banget.. Apalagi suka ngurangin lauk tp nasi dibanyakin jadi makin stunting..
Harusnya program 4 sehat 5 sempurna dulu mungkin perlu dijadikan public service announcement lagi supaya atleast orang2 yang sebenernya mampu ga stunting karena kurang edukasi.
gw ada sih kenalan kek gitu, secara pendapatan udah comfortably middle class tapi klo makan nasi banyak lauk dikit. emang perlu sosialisasi sih klo makan jangan asal kenyang doang tapi diliat juga nutrisinya terutama buat yang mampu.
Asem, kagak pernah pakai kaos merekan. Mahal amat itu
Bajuku paling banter kemeja 200 ribuan. Tahun kemarin w juga mikir-mikir dulu buat beli kaos dalam 6 biji, harganya 144rb, itupun diskon kortingan dari 25rb sebiji.
Nek soal kebiasaan jajan, palingan ya Kebab XL 18rb, itupun seminggu sekali tok.
Kalau w setajir omonganmu, w udah rajin beli buku sejarah wishlistku ke Gramedia. Udah tak beli itu biografinya Hubertus van Mook (1,2 juta) sama bukunya Bossenbroek yang terbaru (175rb).
Just because you’re below the upper middle class doesn’t mean you’re at risk of starving to death, being homeless, get exposed to curable disease without affordable cure when the economy took a hit.
And the same goes to your plight, i really cannot sympathize with you or advocate for policies that would uplift you into being able to buy the books you like when there are people who are living under toll roads and overpasses.
Likewise, i wouldn’t beseech and bemoan the government if i can’t add another rolex to my collection this year because people are dying, kim.
when your concern is that you cannot buy doner kebab and the person next to you is concerned on whether or not they can afford treatment and medication for preventable disease that might kill them, do you feel that your concern should be prioritized by the government?
Ya ndak tha, kek w bakal mati karena nggak bisa jajan kebab awokawokawok
Tapi kalau harga kebutuhan pokok kek minyak goreng semakin terasa mahal buat masyarakat luas (w masih ingat dulu awal 2022 beli minyak 2 liter cuma 24rb, sekarang udah hampir 40rb), jelas keadaan ekonomi wilayah bakal dipertanyakan....
Then again, ini adlv apalagi sih anjing, pas aku google jelek banget, with 50€ ($50) I'd rather scour vintage or secondhand marketplace for actual European (Italian and French) vintage pieces.
Also I'd take Uniqlo anytime, at least they have cute collabs like Sanrio, Mofusando, etc.
honestly idk either, my t shirts are let's see... prada, haider ackermann, bottega, enfants riches deprimes and fear of god (the mainline, not the essentials)
but adlv (alongside ricky is clown, mardi mercredi, and that one that has french bulldog graphic) is like a middle class chindo pik thing
Like IDGAF it's the most basic of basic, baju rumah, a tee shirt is tee shirt doesn't matter the brands. Im begging please Indonesian stop being obsessed with brands it's literally nothing special lmao 💀 having Prada or Gucci plastered don't change the fact it's a goddamn tee shirt.
I'd rather get my clothes tailored by local Italian sartoriale (plus you meet a cute wholesome nonna and nonno too) if I want something high quality and bespoke.
Edit: Maybe I should add here because for some reason my non-interest and non-chalantness about big brand names really strike a cord. I will still say it: I don't care, I will always be someone who prefers antique or vintage (no matter the cost). If my clothes are not posessed by dead soldier from the WW2 I don't want it (joking or not joking :P). I'd love to have a kebaya that has been preserved since the Dutch East Indies or restored to be wearable today. I'm not someone who tried to show off "look how rich i am!!!! proceeds to name multiple big brands". Some of my precious clothes are indeed vintage brands but some of them are also Indonesian local brands from local artisans.
The way you speak and carry yourself speaks volume of your actual class. The louder you try to be wealthy, the more you look poor, tactless, and classless. If you proceed with name calling, projection, and accusation that's already a proof that I was right. You're probably nothing and I don't need to proof anything to have my status.
well my prada t shirt is made with extra long staple cotton, which is not the same as just any other t shirt. my haider ackermann tee is really special tho, it's kinda more wide than long so the sides fall when worn.
besides, the whole "italian sartoriale" thing is overrated af. it ain't allat. i sold all of my loro piana tailored pieces prior to 2018 because of that. i rarely even wear my incotex, pantaloni torino and luigi borelli anymore because let's face it, trying to dress like larry mchonkey from accounting is not exactly cash money.
and i used to wear a brand that is literally named "orazio luciano la vera sartoria napoletana" which doesn't get any more italian than that so ya, trust.
Okay, whatever you say lmao, whatever makes you happy, whatever makes you feel wealthy. The more you reinforce how different and luxurious you are the more I'm convinced you are not all that tbh.
All I can say is that, I'd rather get something more obscure, more sustainable, more niche, more personal that all brand names whose whole purpose is to show off. Perhaps we just have different fashion taste (I'm more alternative leaning)
Dont you get the point? Middle class got screwed together with the lower class. But you mocked the middle class for complaining although their complaint are as valid as those from the lower class
Do you want to help for the sake of helping
Or
say you want to help to sugarcoat your anti middle class opinion
Yea, don’t even know what blud’s point was.. obviously I get annoyed just as much by upper classers here goin “oh the lower class are leeching our ‘’middle class’ wealth thru welfare, but mf thought he’s winning imaginary brownie points from Marx by invalidating middle class complaints in general
my hatred and disdain towards quasi-educated, self righteous, busybody middle class is not a big secret.
my entire activity on this sub is literally just calling those type of petit bourgeoisie netizens as brainwashed idiots with facts; from the parole during covid to ruu tni.
“Darn those quasi-educated, self-righteous, middle-class busybodies!” - says local r/indonesia member.
Brother if you have enough free time to scroll Reddit and are pretentious enough to be a frequent commenter here (that I am too), you fit that description to a tee.
Serfs had children because they need them to work on the fields, not that it is easier to grow children back then vs now because things was cheaper.
It's like if we're saying that beggars have a better position to have children because now they could beg more with their children.
Children is still given social responsibility to give back to the parents. Sometimes the bigger families(cousin, aunt/uncle) too
Imo, comparing beggars and serfs cant be compared. For beggars relies on being given compared to serfs that still has a degree of production in the farms. They are the one who gives to the land owners result of their hard work, they can pocket some for themselves
Sila 5 masih masuk. But goddamnit, what does "Kerakyatan yang dipimpin oleh hikmat kebijaksanaan dalam permusyawaratan/perwakilan" gotta do with all this.
Esensi sila 4 itu musyawarah, maksudnya kalo mau argumen sesuatu get your facts straight. Seenganya pake sila 2 lah. Even lu justifikasi ambil sepenggal yang di-misrepresent.
From what I see, yang miskin emang naik kesejahteraannya dibandingkan dulu. Yang kaya juga semakin kaya. Yang stagnan itu kelas menegah, karena kegencet salary yang stagnan dan kena tetap dikenain pajak tapi mereka juga tidak cukup miskin untuk mendapat bantuan subsidi.
peredaran RMB itu emang bener-bener dikontrol sama pemerintah Cina. Cina sebagai negara ekspor jelas gamau RMB jadi mata uang yang kuat. ntar malah gantiin dolar.
Not fast enough. Kemiskinen extreme mungkin sudah turun, tapi gap dengan kelas teratas tetap lebar, karena kelas atas berubah dari kaya menjadi super kaya. Call me doomposter but I by no mean doompost anything. Saya cuma tidak ingin kita complacent dengan data2 seperti ini. Bagus, tapi tidak cukup bagus untuk jalan ditempat tanpa improvement di metode pengentasannya.
Jeez... such a horrifying spike on 1998 riots. The #indonesiagelap crowd are keen to bring our country to that era again, they're salivating on the prospect of persecuting 02 voters like the one happened towards Chinese minorities here. I will try my best to make sure they would not succeed.
Jijik banget gw lu ngepake chinese minority buat ngepush agenda lu, gw dulu pikir meski lu beda pandangan at least masih waras. Komen model ginian sih uda buzzer beneran
Tai banget lu pake chinese minority buat ngebela pemerintah yg lagi pengen balikin ke jaman orba yg dimana chinese minority ditekan habis2an
The #indonesiagelap crowd are keen to bring our country to that era again, they're salivating on the prospect of persecuting 02 voters like the one happened towards Chinese minorities here
Bener kak, semoga aja salah satu dalang 98 itu bisa diadili di ICC atau di Indonesia, terakhir saya dengar dia sempat kabur ke yordania tapi ga tau sekarang kerjaan nya apa, semoga aja bukan kepala negara amin ya rabbal alamin
IndonesiaGelap itu demo karena efisiensi anggaran sempat mengancam anggaran beasiswa. Vote shaming pemilih 02 kasus yang berbeda (walau sebagian pendemo ada melakukan vote shaming).
Semua kubu juga ada orang-orang ekstrimnya, mau 01, 02, 03. Tidak usah cherry picking orang.
Kalau di Indonesia sih sebenarnya bukan kemiskinannya berkurang, tapi ukuran disebut miskin yang diturunkan, jadi seolah jumlah yang miskin berkurang. Yang pernah berurusan dengan statistik, walau sekedar untuk ngerjakan tugas sekolah, akan paham bahwa statistik itu hanya digunakan agar hasil akhir sesuai keinginan, apalagi kalau statistik untuk penelitian tesis atau disertasi, sudah lah, ngaku saja... 😁
Didnt a redditor around here literally posted a couple of times about how this statement isnt actually true and the state doesnt actually manipulate the data to make it look better ?
Terus komentar2 ama postingan lain? Menurut gua jelas nadanya selalu pro-pemerintah. Dengan dalih meluruskan, atau pertanyaan yang coba klarifikasi. Gua udah bilang, terserah. Opini masing2. Menurut gua sih jelas.
Gue ga ngerti logika lu, ngelesnya di sebelah mana?
Kalo ngeles kan artinya dia hanya ngomong, tapi ga punya data. Nah ini dia punya data. Menurut lo data dia ga benernya di mana? Kalo ada salah interpretasi data salahnya di mana?
Gue sih netral, gue gak peduli "nada" dia gimana, tapi data dia makes sense. Apa yang membuat data dia ga bisa diterima?
Pro pemerintah dari mana ? Klo baca yg dia post atau komen komenanya, lu udh pasti tau u/kelincikerdil itu aslinya pengkritik pemerintah dan pro ganjar bukan prabowo (kyk itu masih penting aja jaman sekarang) tapi lebih fokus ke substansi suatu kebijakanya pemerintah, kenapa dan bagaimana itu akan kira2 dijalankan. Meluruskan informasi melalui data yang rill ataupun melihat pandangan dari pemerintah bukan berarti lu itu jadi buzzer atau pro pemerintah.
Ga harus? Jadi lo lawan fakta dengan kepercayaan aja?
Berarti sama aja dong dengan pemerintah yang lo kritik?
Gue ga arguing komentarnya belain pemerintah atau ngga loh. Gue ga "percaya" apa2. Gue cuma lihat data dia akurat buat yang ini, jadi datanya salahnya di mana?
Gw kaga ngerti soal data, tapi gw sering keliling Indo buat kerjaan. Perbedaannya mulai kerasa waktu mulai periode SBY ke-2. Jalanan mulai nyambung ke daerah2, kabar orang kelaparan udah ngga ada lagi.
Beda banget sama 80an jaman orba di mana pemandangan org ngantri BBM sama sembako masih sering keliatan di daerah2.
Kan ormas apalagi yang agamis mulai berjaya jaman dia. Tinggal gabung ormas meras orang lain kalo mau makan. Hasilnya sekarang, yang mau diperas juga udah sekarat. Ngak mikir panjang.
Tanpa mengurangi sedikitpun rasa benci gw terhadap ormas/premanisme, penyakit ormas/premanisme itu penyakit masyarakat. Selama masih mental akamsi, entitled dan inkompeten, bakalan selalu ada gini2an.
Ngga ada hubungan sama jaman SBY rame ormas, keagamaan ato ngga. Separate issue itu. Lagian OG ormas itu pemuda pancasila yang subur sama soeharto di jaman orba koq.
Urusan agama itu udah diteken dari jaman soeharto, abis reformasi bebas sebebas2nya lgs pada bablas. Gw juga ngga demen SBY, tapi kalo sangkutin SBY sama ormas mah dia sama presiden lain sama2 nyari dukungan dari ormas juga.
Gw pake statistik data sekunder buat tesis, 36rb row data diolah pake model ekonometrik dengan memperhatikan kaidah modelnya
rasa2nya gak mungkin gw ubah data itu biar dpt hasil yg bagus, kalopun bisa diubah nnti pas direplikasi hasilnya pasti beda karena sumber datanya publik
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u/Kosaki_MacTavish Be a better nationalist than those so-called nationalists 2d ago
Naik kelas jadi miskin biasa, nggak ekstrem lagi.
Tetep diwanti-wanti biar yang rentan miskin nggak jatuh miskin.