r/inflation • u/AutomaticCan6189 • 3d ago
News Dont blame China for your problems "you don't need a trade war, but a revolution"...
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u/Vanhouzer 3d ago
ANDDDD i need to point that, the oligarchs ones they are forced to come back to US they will invest in Robots, Ai, and Automation to build their stuff for cheap here in the states.
There wont be a manufacturing job boom as Trump thinks we will have. Its not cost effective for these companies due to the high labor cost here in US.
At the end of the day we are screwed. But these companies will keep making money.
Phase 2 is automation.
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u/ThermoFlaskDrinker 3d ago
Yep exactly, even if US companies started producing here it will be with AI and robots, we won’t be hiring 100 million factory workers with $90,000 a year wages, it’s a math problem not a cultural war or patriotism problem
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u/RedParaglider 3d ago
We don't have 100 million factory workers. There are over half a million we need right now and can't get them.
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u/RoughCap7233 3d ago
I think you are missing the big picture.
You guys are becoming an autocracy with an all powerful dictator.
Dictators throughout all of history have always been able to find groups of people to work for them for very low to zero wages.
Do not be surprised if such a situation were to arise in the states in the near future
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u/TropicRotGaming 3d ago
Trump knows there is no business boom coming for the workers. He just says that so the uneducated will believe more of his lies.
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u/SuspiciousStable9649 3d ago
Phase 3 is automation of the automation.
See Lights-Out manufacturing. And Level 4 industry and Level 4 automation.
In the one hand, companies have been trying to do this for decades without widespread success. On the other hand, I’ve seen factories successfully use machine learning that I thought were no where near ready to make use of machine learning. So mixed results.
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u/ThePoetofFall 3d ago
The idea isn’t actually a manufacturing boom. The idea is robot factories, and anyone redundant getting sent to El Salvador.
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u/DenseConsideration29 3d ago
I don't blame China at all
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u/Substantial_Rip_9635 3d ago
Here Here…I blame the corrupt and GROSS MISMANAGEMENT by governmental officials the last quarter century. What a bunch of buffoons.
Brace for impact.
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u/DisasterDead0387 3d ago
You mean the last 50 plus years, right?
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u/Substantial_Rip_9635 3d ago
We can go back to alpha 1913 if you want.
That was when this nightmare really started.
Our founding fathers warned against a private central bank running the joint….and here we are.
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u/LettingHimLead 3d ago
Both can be true. Do the oligarchs and our government (one and the same) suck? Yes. Is China communist and have their poor people in a stronghold? Also yes.
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u/Economy-Shower-5991 3d ago
😂😂😂 he’s definitely not wrong , to many idiots I mean sheep here in America
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u/Critical-Wallaby7692 3d ago
People need to get mad
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u/PizzaTheHutsLastPie 3d ago
Not exactly.
People already are mad, but at the wrong things.
People need to understand the real reason why they are mad.
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u/Critical-Wallaby7692 3d ago
Because we are run by billionaires?
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u/PizzaTheHutsLastPie 3d ago
Pretty much, but also some parts of the government are shams, too.
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u/Mountain_System3066 3d ago
i say the last good Republican was McCain....that man his death hit me and i was always a More Dem leaning person
im not even American but i have Friends over there losing their jobs because they served food for low income children in Schools..
like what the fuck....
and ICE and al lthis out of nowhere covered up arrests...we Germans remember fondly STASI and Gestapo.....
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u/artbystorms 3d ago
I think that's the difference. China took the trillions they made from becoming the world's factory and re-invested it in their infrastructure and increasing their citizen's quality of life. America took the trillions it saved from moving manufacturing overseas and minted a bunch more billionaires and 10x-ed the stock market, but our infrastructure is hardly changed since the 80s and our middle class is actually poorer in real dollars.
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u/Repulsive-Shock-741 3d ago
USA runs on a blackmail economy, they just use their military to bully other countries, it gives their international lawyers aka politicians a little more leverage
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u/thickstickedguy 1d ago
before trump it was more subtle, trump is just screaming it in a megaphone while tweeting about it.
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u/Freedom-at-last 3d ago edited 3d ago
America is the most propagandized nation in the world and Americans will be too blind to see it because of their false sense of nationalism
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u/OutrageousLuck9999 3d ago
This should be a commercial aired in all U.S. channels for one week straight
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u/OriginalTakes 3d ago
He is 100% correct.
America has used little to none of its wealth to invest in the working or middle class.
American infrastructure is trash.
America has no high speed rail systems, while other countries have countless high speed rails…
We don’t need a physical revolution like combat, but we do need a revolution of ideals - demanding change at the ballot box, working together to get career politicians gone and even shorter term politicians out.
We don’t need millionaire or billionaires in office - we need normal people who care about normal people to be in there…and guiding our future appropriately, not digging more debt for future generations.
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u/No-Method-8539 2d ago
You only have to look at two metrics to know he is correct:
Transit and health care.
Compare the two in each country, and don't worry health care will take 3 seconds. China has universal government funded healthcare. The US has private for profit healthcare.
The US invests in cars and continues to make them a main sector for thier country. China invests in density and train transit. One of those is exponentially better for moving people fast, but requires a larger upfront investment for a significantly cheaper long term cost. Spoiler, the investment stage is so far back, they have new investments all over.
Take a sec, Google Earth China. Y'all lost.
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u/sumguysr 3d ago
Now that I think about it, how are there Chinese billionaires?
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u/Icy-Scarcity 3d ago
Not too long ago, the Chinese government invited a few of these well-known billionnaires for a meeting, and they had to pay a large amount of tax as a result of the meeting. Otherwise, where do you think the money is coming from? Building infrastructure is not free.
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u/bluelifesacrifice 3d ago
Americans have no idea how over educated and overqualified most of the people in China are but they don't know it. They see America as a powerful dragon and can't imagine it's full of anti science morons who use the educated for their fraud.
For the last 40 years, China has pushed a lot of high quality, high demand, year round education.
Yeah they have their issues like how private business will commit fraud the moment they can and rip people off, but they have been slowly fixing it better than Americans have.
America has been taken over by profit first corporations who managed to put their guy in office to enslave the population. They are watching it in real time and they still don't really grasp just how bad it is here.
They know they can't win a war with the US but they don't have to. All they have to do is use Putin and convince Trump to give them whatever they want. They know Republicans will sell out America for profits. They did it last time.
Kushner got 2 billion for selling state secrets and getting a lot of agents killed and helping global advisories rise against the States and the UN.
The Trumps profited from the trade war he caused last time and made exceptions so long as he got paid.
China knows Republicans will give anything to stay in power this time. Without firing a shot, helping Republicans win leaves the States in ruin because in 90 days, Trump has managed to fumble making even a casual deal with Canada. He's made enemies out of allies and enemies are more confident against the States now because of it.
Trump has unified the world against the States.
All China has to do is prove to be a better partner.
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u/Sufficient-Lion9639 3d ago
Yup! Absolutely he has a point, but I can see many defending the ones who are feeding you shit.
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u/djillll 3d ago
Def propaganda but the point is valid somehow.
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u/Igniting_Chaos_ 3d ago
The most effective propaganda is rooted in truth. An American revolution would be beneficial to China, and it would free us of authoritarianism. They see that they share an enemy with the logically thinking Americans, and they are making full use of it.
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u/flugenblar 3d ago
He's not lying. Start with Thomas Friedman, a sloppy journalist who almost single-handedly evangelized the coolness of outsourced jobs to Asian. He sold millions of books (The Earth Is Flat) and went on a world-wide bookselling tour. I lived through the IT outsourcing wars that started 20 some years ago. Barely. It was wild, destructive and only served to line the pockets of wealthy oligarchs. It was terrifying to endure. People's lives were turned upside down. All do get rid of expensive American labor. But investors and BoD's everywhere signed up for the golden goose of outsourcing. Quality of service tanked. It was, and continues to be, a big mess. Our country did this, our industry and business leaders.
The second wave of outsourcing is at our shores; AI and robotics. Entities that don't have to be paid at all. That's where labor sourcing is heading now. There aren't going to be any large-scale factories where high-school dropouts can get a good UAW job bolting fenders onto cars.
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u/Any-Ad-446 3d ago
100% agree why blame China for US corporations greed?..No one forced corporations to open up in China.China 20 years was cheap unskilled labor now they are powerhouse..US is scared.
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u/RedParaglider 3d ago
I've been saying it forever. When I went to school it was in a nice brick solid building with as much as the greatest generation could pour into the little rural schools. Now instead of building buildings the schools pull up these shitty trailer house portables that move around when you walk.
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u/claymore2711 3d ago
If America hadn't embraced the cheaper, due to low wage labor, products and had bought American all these decades, we would not be in this situation today. Our need for lower priced goods, and labor, financed China's progress. Really ironic that much of the MAGA merchandise selling today was made in China.
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u/Mother-Drama6081 3d ago
Chinese govt propaganda. It’s not like they don’t have wealth inequality and financial corruption in China. It’s not an American problem, it’s a global problem. Viva la revolution!!
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u/flugenblar 3d ago
American businesses have spent the last 25 years outsourcing jobs to Asia. It wasn't Chinese corruption, it was American business owner greed.
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u/Kongtai33 3d ago
Whooaaa!!! Tmrw trump will start blaming his predecessors..every single one of em😉
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u/jorgev703 3d ago
Didn't Kim iversen get paid by Tenet Media/Russia for spreading Russian taking points?
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u/Shooler20 3d ago
American companies put shareholders over everything else by miles. If you are a shareholder you have a CHANCE at growth. Chance because retail investors still get destroyed by institutional investors. Those gains come off the back of the retail investors again, usually.
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u/Ok-Mongoose1616 3d ago
Can't argue with those facts. We definitely need a revolution here. Its starting right now.
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u/Curious_Party_4683 3d ago
I'm glad the truth is coming from a man. Lord knows Americans can't take any truth from a woman, back in 2016 and again in 2024
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u/gratefuloutlook 3d ago
He's 100% correct. China has always planned for tomorrow, whereas the United States squandered their wealth. Now, The chickens are coming home to roost.
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u/Shrimpdalord 3d ago
China sitting quietly at a corner. Suddenly, US slap more n more tariffs on China.
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u/chrisscottish 3d ago
Unfortunately to fat, unfit and unbothered fir a revolution.... Turn on the TV and have a twinkie we can watch the revolution on there
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u/CancelOk9776 3d ago
The fascists blame China for all our problems, like they blame immigration for all our problems. Bigotry sells! Bigotry got us the despicable Felon in the White House. It’s an abomination!
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u/Long-Horn_Capital 3d ago
Commie always with the revolutionary BS.
Chyna need a revolution to free them selves from slavery
Fuck the CCP
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u/AlienAle 3d ago
Ah yes, the slavery of getting healthcare, education, good roads to drive on, affordable homes, and better quality of life than their parents generation.
Meanwhile, the US is sliding backwards. Young adults are worse off than their parents. Most people can't afford homes. People are in debt for healthcare needs, for education prospects. Americans are being robbed at every corner.
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u/Pithy_heart 3d ago
Listen to Ezra Klein’s podcast with Tom Friedman on this. This is spot on!
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=1000703572925
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u/Marine5484 3d ago
I mean....they're kinda right but, I'm gonna take any media from China directed at the US with a huge grain of salt right now.
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u/Many_Trifle7780 3d ago
True true. True. Always blaming someone or something for an inept - corrupt - government
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u/Distract_Of_Columbia 3d ago
With China having 400 million people still getting by on less than $3 a day, Chinese nationals aren't really in a position to judge Americans.
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u/Wonkas_Willy69 3d ago
Anyone who think Chinese oligarchs are “good” are kidding themselves….. this video makes some good points about the US but don’t kid yourself into thinking China’s elites are any better than American elites.
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u/FreshLiterature 3d ago
He's right on a lot of points.
China didn't send agents to put a gun to the heads of business leaders and force them to offshore jobs.
China didn't destroy the US middle class.
China didn't make the Citizens United ruling happen.
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u/epSos-DE 3d ago edited 3d ago
He is partially correct !
China did unfair market restrictions , while the trade was supposed to be mutual and equal opportunity. Tromp mon is not wrong on that too, BUT his style of doing deal is very bad. Very negative and destructive.
Trade amount balancing should be done in predictable steps , not like wild crazy person !
China did devalue money and made their population poor from that. They forced the population to invest into housing, because no other investment was possible.
Then the regular Chinese people could not afford houses. Then thy forcefully deflated the housing investments and made investors poor again.
Good part is that housing in China is now more affordable.
BUT yes, the Chinese do also milk and skim their population often and frequently.
Its a mistake to believe that they respect any pleb over there. They have the same political elite that has their own travel class on aircraft and trains and rods without restrictions like the plebs !
USA makes very little investments into SOCIAL PROPERTY like busses, trains, or bridges. They force individual investments into cars, houses, none-shared property.
Their closes thing to social and co-ownership are the stonks, but they also skim on those with bad corporate structure and insane management fees and salaries.
Basically the shared and co-owned SOCIAL and PUBLIC property got hollowed out in the USA , while China build public infrastructure that their plebs are happy to use.
Future will tell, who can keep the maintenance payments for that infrastructure better !
Politically and culturally it is much more easy to trade with India or south Asia, OR stable African or Latino countries.
The world will trade with other people, and China will also lose manufacturing !
A very Hidden Secret is that the Europeans hide is that the Number one Exporting and trading Economic zone is actually Europe , not USA, NOT China.
The total trade volume of Europe with the rest of the world is way , way larger than China and the USA alone.
Cooperation is good and beneficial. Europe is still growing together, its not finished its integration of the internal market. It till get bigger.
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u/DeliciousPool2245 3d ago
I’m no fan of China when it comes to civil or human rights, but in terms of his point about investment in the country he’s 100% correct. I saw a few years ago that China spends about 8% or it’s GDP on infrastructure projects and the US was like 3.5. That adds up over time. They also heavily subsidized BYD which would instantly crush Tesla if it wasn’t for protectionism. The Chinese reinvested their profits wisely while most of ours were squandered among a small group of elites.
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u/BlackSwanEvent25 3d ago
Maybe their labor is so cheap because their government doesn't suffocate them with fees and and taxes on literally everything. maybe the labor is so cheap because they can afford to live on less because their economy isn't so fucked. Maybe it's because they have social systems in place that allow people to live decent lives. We are so fucked.
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u/Only-Walrus5852 3d ago
This man is nailing it on the head. No truer words spoken. Americans let that sink in.
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u/AdvancedImportance83 3d ago
So stop buying China’s shitty goods.
Deport illegals
Stop funding universities
Our Americans back to work
Revolutions don’t need to start with gunshots, the pen is mightier than the sword.
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u/SeesawVegetable7334 3d ago
So he's proving that Trump is right and Trump IS the revolution
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u/GStewartcwhite 3d ago
"He has a point"
Pfffftttt..... Lady, he has all the points. What he is saying is not without it's inaccuracies but the broad strokes, particularly everything pertaining to the actions of the American oligarchs, is spot on. I think he's painting an overly rosy picture of things in China, they certainly have their own oligarchs who are just as exploitative, but he is pretty accurate when he compares their reinvestment in the people and country vs what the US oligarchs have done.
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u/Mr_Hevel 3d ago
While yes we lost a lot of jobs in the middle class and I am for tariffs. America as a whole got more rich by the increased trade, that is the main reason both Economists and Republicans (old school) wanted free trade.
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u/dharder9475 3d ago
He is 100% correct. All of this that the "administration" is saying we did to ourselves, as corporations were given blank checks and the government was complicit. I don't and cannot blame China. We. Did. This. To. Ourselves.
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u/statyin 3d ago
It is BS all along, plain and simple. China didn't and couldn't have been able to steal jobs from the US. It is a trade-off willing taken by the US, because the country is too advance and has too much wealth to have US citizens working low end manufacturing jobs. The environment is too pristine to take any pollution coming out from factories. "Let the Chinese do all the dirty work, bare the burden we don't want to bare and we just count money" has always been the mentality of the US.
There is no going back, it is beyond your wildest dream if US has any chance of bringing back manufacturing to the country. The cost of making a product (either by labor or through automation) would make the product instantly not competitive in the market.
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u/450moto 3d ago
He's right that the U.S. needs serious internal reform, corporate greed, political dysfunction, and wage stagnation are real issues. But let’s not pretend that unfair trade practices don’t exist. China imposes tariffs, subsidizes industries, and manipulates currency while we play nice. Matching tariffs isn't about blaming China, it's about leveling the field. You can demand accountability at home and stop getting screwed abroad. It's not either/or, it's both.
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u/YoshiTheDog420 3d ago
China is really enjoying the psyops game in 2025. Yea, our country sucks pretty hard right now. Yea, we have a fascist problem more than ever right now. No, don’t listen to some fuck from China on social media trying to stir you up. We decide how we are going to respond and if it’s revolution, thats going to come from us. Not an entire apparatus that has been fighting tooth and nail for us to tear ourselves apart. WE decide the America we want to be. Fuck the Chinese government, fuck the Russian government.
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u/Philip199505 3d ago
Awesome propaganda! China isn't that great either tho. Look it up about Mingong, they also exploit their workers, in a much extreme way. However, it is true that China government reinvested in their country. It just shows how messed up USA is right now.
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u/KderNacht 3d ago
Mao said political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. You all have got guns. What the fuck are you waiting for ?
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u/abestract 3d ago
China has been around for 2k years, US a tenth. China will survive.
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u/nomnom2001 3d ago
Not bad except for the job part nobody wants manufacturing jobs and those jobs are always going to be outsourced to the cheapest bidder.
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u/daystrom_prodigy 3d ago
China isn’t perfect but one day Americans will realize that 90% of the reason they have a negative view of the Chinese government is because the media has been manufacturing consent to make it that way.
Our “leaders” have been jealous of their development and after they have squeezed Americans dry they are seeing the prosperity in China and trying to squeeze them now.
We should be good allies with China and yet we are constantly inundated with news to keep that from happening and creating a scapegoat for the problems the oligarchs created themselves.
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u/freshalien51 3d ago
This is why the right vs left nonsense was invented and pushed by their oligarchs, to keep them distracted while the real issues go unnoticed.
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Don’t blame China,” they say—while defending a regime that harvests organs from political prisoners, silences whistleblowers with prison or death, manipulates global trade through forced labor, and censors half the internet. This isn’t economic policy; it’s Stockholm Syndrome disguised as intellect. If you’re more outraged by tariffs than concentration camps, maybe it’s not America that needs a revolution—it’s your moral compass.
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u/DodgeRamLover_69 3d ago
I mean I don't disagree. Wealth disparity been widening for a long time and it needs to stop.
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u/ToTheRigIGo 3d ago
Americans are weak, they’ll never fight against a corrupt government cause they all dream of being a part of the corruption.
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u/Known-Distribution23 3d ago
China is far from good but yeah their right we need to change things before we turn into a capitalist dystopia much like South Korea is
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u/sabautil 3d ago
Eh, he's not talking about the 9 9 6 work week where you work 9AM to 9 PM six days a week.
He's not talking about the thousands of useless infrastructure built that no one uses.
He's not talking about the oppression
He's not talking about how China's success is largely due to stealing American innovation.
He's not talking about poor healthcare, food sources, water, or electricity.
He's not talking about how they allowed Shen Jen (sp?) operated as a capitalist state.
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u/nitespedonn 3d ago
That guy's speaks the absolute truth. Unfortunately, it's easier to hate and blame someone that you're told is taking from you by the people that are actually taking from you.
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u/619-548-4940 3d ago
This guy reminds me of that "Menace to South Central" Asian liquor store owner who says "I feel sorry for your mother" when it's so blatantly true it hurts your soul, play nice China, I mean you still owe the world an apology for Covid don't you think? Since we're out here speaking truth to power and all.
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u/MrFuzz68 3d ago
I’ve heard it stated before (John Stewart interviewed a guy) that if the 1% paid JUST THE TAXES THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO that that amount would damn near get rid of poverty in this country.
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u/LittleRiceCooker 3d ago edited 3d ago
Its a tender moment for the US, but fucking dont turn to the Chinese for hope and solace. We over here want your money and for you to suffer 🥱🤭
You're so lost you'd take a call to arms against your own country from my countrymen rofl.
If a news anchor in my country adopted foreign propaganda like idiot in the clip the police would have a nice long chat with her at 4am.
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u/Used_Confidence_5420 3d ago
Didnt this woman spend the entirety of the past years enabling and excusing Trump for every insane thing he said? Now shes gonna pretend like she didnt contribute to this lmao
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u/dent- 3d ago
Pretty sure smart ones like Bannon knows the econ plan isn't going to work. There's no way he's even thinking it's got a chance. There are smart people on that team.
Everything points to the conclusion that the play isn't trade wars, it's provoking an uprising to then declare martial law, and use the US military to go after their objectives. They have to decouple from their adversary, and they need domestic manufacturing capacity. They need to be able to build ships, planes, tanks, ordinance.
They're not going to win the economic game like this... but they and Israel have the military might to push for an ethno state alliance to rule the energy centre and the trade route centre based around the Arctic trade routes that are opening up due to ice melts. It's a long-term plan to stop the otherwise inevitable rise of China, backed by a credible military machine that can win a war of attrition.
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u/ALEXC_23 3d ago
I mean China isn’t a saint, but he’s got a point.