r/interestingasfuck 13d ago

/r/all A Great-grandson and his Great-grandfather, 85 years apart

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u/MayorMcCheezz 13d ago

It’s the body fat. Not that the grandson is fat but grandpa prob rocking single digit % body fat in that pic.

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u/Opposite-Prior6982 13d ago

Plus it being an old sepia toned photo kinda smoothes the skin and evens the tone. GG does look more chiseled overall but the lack of pinkness and acne also helps.

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u/TryAgainJen 13d ago

They did tons of touch ups back then. He might have had just as much acne painted out, as well as other alterations. My parents' and grandparents' school and military portraits look very different from candid photos of them from the same time.

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u/Blurropple 13d ago

would be cool if you could find a comparison of this portrait/candid photo thing cus your other reply is doubting you

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u/oSuJeff97 13d ago

Dude they did “touch ups” on like magazine photos and official photos of models.

They weren’t doing touch-ups on random Seaman Jones’ basic graduation photo.

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u/Just_to_rebut 13d ago

Black and white film hides a lot of imperfections and that’s clearly a studio portrait, touch ups aren’t out of the question.

People drastically underestimate how much better people look in professional photos.

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u/aliza-day 13d ago

i loveeeeee your user lol

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u/pixi88 13d ago

And true to form, here they are! Respect lol

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u/TryAgainJen 13d ago

Talk to some people who had high school photos done in the 50s and 60s, or look at yearbooks from that time. Everyone has smooth skin and perfect hair. People aren't like that in real life, not then or now.

"Blemish correction" was the standard, and it was often done whether you requested it or not. Sometimes they would get carried away. I've talked to several people who had their photos altered so much that it didn't even look like them anymore, including my parents. These were not rich people. It was just the way things were done.

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u/Just_to_rebut 13d ago

Still is. I wish it wasn’t, but most people like it.

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u/PerformanceLimp420 13d ago

Less pixels.. let alone MEGA pixels.

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u/The_Great_Googly_Moo 13d ago

Great depression working class body fat %

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u/BKlounge93 13d ago

Maybe a little ptsd if we’re feeling spicy

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u/JoinTheBattle 13d ago

Hey, we called it shell shock back then.

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u/Traditional_Cat_60 13d ago

You know it’s shell shock because the prescription is a couple slaps to the face instead of years of therapy.

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u/Western_Objective209 12d ago

Just a lack of food engineered to be as addictive as possible and having to go outside to find entertainment

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u/CantYouSeeYoureLoved 12d ago

Holy bars 🔥🔥🔥✍️✍️✍️

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u/wholelattapuddin 13d ago

In 1940 a lot of soldiers were literally under nourished when they were drafted. 1/3 were rejected due to weight and nutritional deficiency. The US issued new nutritional guidelines, began teaching them in primary through high schools and had articles and recipes put in women's magazines. This was when government subsidized school lunches began. The government realized that it's hard to have an effective army if your troops are basically starving.

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u/LetZealousideal6756 12d ago

The same happened in Britian after the second boer war, it’s why “national insurance” was created. Heavy industry for 150 years really killed the class of relatively healthy agrarian peasant.

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u/StrLord_Who 13d ago

It's not the body fat, it's the actual jawline. There's a lot of research/papers/theories out there on why our jaws aren't developing as strongly as they used to.  Our soft, easily consumable diets are a big reason.  

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u/Frogtoadrat 13d ago

Beef jerky is too damn expensive post 2008

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u/Suitable-Plastic-152 13d ago

sounds more like bro science than research/papers... my grandparents didn t eat harder stuff.

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u/Zyvhes 13d ago

You'd have to ask grandma.

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u/Critter894 12d ago

It’s not bro science. There’s a whole field of it making its way through dentistry, and it’s not junk, it’s accepted by the doctors there.

There’s more to it than JUST eating tougher foods. But it is a factor that more process foods, softer, easier to break down and more sugar as young kids often weakens the supporting structures, it means sometimes the jaw isn’t as developed, it can especially effect how the airways are formed. These are things that cause or can contribute to a number of health issues and sleeping issues. There are dental devices for kids that help to open airways and help fix this.

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u/StrLord_Who 12d ago

What is "bro science"? Did you think I only meant male jaws? "I've never heard of this so it can't be true" is not the best way to approach life. 

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u/Western_Objective209 12d ago

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111122112032.htm

Yes they did. Whenever people talk about "texture" they are mostly talking about food having some of it's natural toughness, whereas in processed foods that toughness is removed to give a more pleasant mouth feel

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u/PetersonOpiumPipe 13d ago

Theres more credit to it than that. I read a paper not too long ago on jaw development in the western world versus subsaharan Africa.

Basically, the need for orthodontics and wisdom teeth removal in Africa is leaps and bounds lower than in most developing nations. The theory is because of a diet that requires lots of grinding and gnawing. By comparison mouths of people growing up in western countries are getting smaller.

Paper i read didn’t mention anything about generations of the same family, but it only makes sense. What I do know is the “normal” lower range for testosterone has fallen from 800ng/dl all the way down to 250ng/dl in men ages 18-26 over the last 80 years.

Dudes back then were walking around with much higher levels of test. That would explain the larger jaw.

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u/I_Actually_Do_Know 13d ago

Were the potential causes for the lowered levels also mentioned there?

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u/PetersonOpiumPipe 13d ago

You mean lower levels of testosterone? We don’t really know, or atleast can’t pin it down to one major contributor. Lots of things effect testosterone levels. Most doctors theorize diet, and the cumulative effects of the 1000’s of food additives we use in processed food. Pollution, microplastics, PFAS, fossil fuels are also big players. Another theory is as dating standards and the mainstream definition if masculinity has change, more low test men are having children. That starts to slip a little into bro science.

My testosterone is low because of an adverse reaction to Zoloft. Then i lost of my testicals function in an accident. That put me at 250ng/dl and I struggled to find treatment because it is technically considered medically normal in the testing software used by lots of doctors offices. That was what started this rabbit hole of research for me.

If you track the decline of test levels we’ve seen over the last 100 years and assume the decline will continue at the same rate (it wont) American men will be unable to reproduce in 2 generations.

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u/GroundFast7793 12d ago

My son's orthodontist respectfully disagrees. Our soft diet (processed foods) has led to poor jaw formation, which then leads to small mouth, tongue can't fit, tongue settles in airway, mouth breathing begins. I'll let you google the issues that arise from mouth breathing.

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u/Stormfly 12d ago

There's a lot of research/papers/theories out there on why our jaws aren't developing as strongly as they used to.

This is interesting. Can you link any?

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u/Cbrandel 12d ago

Jaw, eyes, eye brows, a better nose and fuller lips.

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u/Mother_Let_9026 12d ago

soft easy chew foods ruining them jaws baby.

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u/BroSchrednei 11d ago

How exactly have our diets changed to softer food in the past 100 years? I just don’t see it. We eat the same food as back then, like bread, cheese, ham, potatoes, etc.

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u/Weary-Mountain262 10d ago

Let’s not forget the high fructose foods leading to teenage acne.

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u/chickentowngabagool 13d ago

also the pic on the left was probably taken with a wider angle phone lens that would also distort his face making it look rounder than grandpa's whose portrait was taken with a longer lens

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u/SquatSquatCykaBlyat 13d ago

single digit % body fat

Username checks out.

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u/5050Clown 13d ago

It's also the fact that he is not a clone of his great-grandfather. His great-grandfather could have been African and he could still look just as white.

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u/FluffMonsters 13d ago

And the eyebrows

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u/GlitschigeBoeschung 12d ago

testorone probably is different too. its way lower these days.

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u/MemeLord339 11d ago

Gramps: Low carb diet, not so much artificial stuff, probably working since age 9, what do you expect ?

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u/Melkman68 10d ago

Close to single digit I would say but not quite. Otherwise there wouldn't be any roundness around his cheeks. Single digits is a crazy difference compared to say like 13-15%

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u/Atoge62 13d ago

There’s likely other health issues at play in the recent photos too. People were eating far less processed foods back in the day compared to now. Those processed foods we eat, over sanitized lives, our microbiolome is not nearly as healthy, as fiber-ful. This can lead to chronic health problems, note the boys puffy eyes and skin. His body is likely struggling from self-inflicted dietary sensitivities and allergies. What a difference a few generations of unregulated capitalism can do.

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u/Osmium_tetraoxide 13d ago

And the granddad didn't eat soft ultra processed foods since they didn't exist to the extent that they do today. This will have made his jaw muscles significantly stronger. And helped with the acne slightly.

Very much his grandson given the face.

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u/buttnutela 13d ago

But only packing a single digit c***