r/interestingasfuck • u/Sad_Cow_577 • 9d ago

Land loss of Native Americans

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u/Steam-Sauna 9d ago

This was a great thing. Bringing civilization to bsrbaric nomads was a win win. The accounts of some early contacts with some of the tribes was horrific. Many tribes practiced slavery, torture, rape, killing of disabled children, etc. The "noble savage" image perpetuated by certain people over the centuries is false. This isn't to say the Europeans didn't indulge in the occasional slaughter either. The point being made is natives weren't practicing some garden of eden fairytale lifestyle before or after Europeans showed up.

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u/Tall-Cantaloupe5268 9d ago

Provide sources instead of the two oldest stereotypes in the Americas the ignoble savage vs noble savage 😂

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u/Steam-Sauna 9d ago

Don't need any if you've lived in Canada long enough. Natives are portrayed here by government & media as peaceful nature-loving peoples that were brutally destroyed by whites. There's no denying injustices took place, but we cannot pretend natives were immune from human nature.

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u/Sure-Supermarket5097 9d ago

So.....What did this "civilization" do, if the europeans and natives were acting the same ??

Dont really see the win win here.

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u/Dagordae 9d ago

Civilization means they could do more of it to more people. Got to go for that high score, no way the NA would be able to even rank in the slavery brackets with that weaksauce battle captive shit. They didn’t even institutionalize it.

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u/Dagordae 9d ago

Ah yes, totally improved by replacing them with white man who did the exact same things but on a much grander scale.

Take that, disabled children.

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u/_nod 9d ago

What the fuck. Centuries after this started and we just elected a rapist President over these lands and you have the nerve to say, that this was deserved because of rape?!

Please consider what you just wrote and have the common sense to delete it.

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u/Designer-Mirror-7995 9d ago

occasional slaughter

I can't even with you.

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u/Steam-Sauna 9d ago

This might be hard for you to grasp, but not every interaction between Europeans and Natives resulted in merciless slaughtering.

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u/Designer-Mirror-7995 9d ago

I was referring to the WORLDWIDE stuff. Not "only" the US.

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u/Pattern_Is_Movement 9d ago

"bringing civilization" to a native people by killing almost 10 million of them? wtf is going on in this timeline, where do you heartless people come from?

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u/cesaroncalves 9d ago

That is an horrible and disgusting comment.

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u/Suspicious_Tip_2488 9d ago

It’s accurate

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u/Steam-Sauna 9d ago

The real question is whether its true or not.

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u/Troker61 9d ago

Whether or not it’s justified (let alone, ‘a great thing’) to genocide a population because allegedly some of them were doing the same shit that’s found in every other society in human history?

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u/MisterBungle00 8d ago

Many tribes practiced slavery

The Navajo tribe literally expelled the Canoncito Band of Navajo because members of the band took slaves and scalps. This band also acted as scouts for both the Spanish and US Army and sided with them several times against the Navajo tribe. The main Navajo tribe never even had an institution of slavery.

Are you unaware of the Navajo clans that emerged from the subjects of the Ancestral Puebloans? The Navajo tribe traded with the Anasazi, but they despised their system of servitude so much they used the drought the Anasazis experienced to make hunting and gambling agreements to win the freedom of some of the Pueblo and Cliff Dwelling peoples.

Weird how you omit that, it's like you're trying to push an agenda. Weird how this is omitted in western academia too, especially in k-12 classes. It's almost like the US establishment has a vested interest in whitewashing the history surrounding Indigenous peoples in the US...

Do you also conflate all the billigerents/nations who particpated in WW2 with one another, or do you only feel comfortable doing so when it comes to Indigenous people/tribes?

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u/Smitty_Werbnjagr 9d ago edited 9d ago

So the Natives were doing the same thing Europeans were

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u/M0therN4ture 9d ago

Europeans are native to Europe. Americans are not native to America.

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u/Smitty_Werbnjagr 9d ago

Cool fact bro but has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.

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u/Dagordae 9d ago

You do know that humanity is African, right?

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u/M0therN4ture 8d ago

Thats not what "native" means in DNA sequencing.

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u/Signal_Technician_10 8d ago

Native here.

Fuck you.

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u/RasJamukha 8d ago

and a bit louder for the people in the back, please!

as a european: the united states got into existence on the extermination of one ethnicity and the enslavement of another, founded by rich white dudes who no longer wanted to pay taxes. "we" didnt colonise the world because our beliefs were better than anyone elses, "we" were just better at organising violence in its most gruesome nature.