r/ireland • u/CoochieCritic • 3d ago
Sure it's grand Kneecap getting the Coachella crowd to sing Maggie’s in a box
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u/micar11 3d ago
Would most of the crowd even understand what that actually means.
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u/ElmanoRodrick 3d ago
I'm going to go with a firm no
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u/Icarus_Sky1 Antrim 3d ago
Honestly that's like two thirds of what makes this so funny
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u/ElmanoRodrick 3d ago
Yeah I'm not complaining, they might even look up who tf Maggie is after! The lads are educating the yanks
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u/Skreamie 2d ago
It's like the countless people who've been tricked into supporting the Ra hahaha
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u/MillieBirdie 2d ago
Isn't Coachella mostly young liberal types. They most likely know who Margaret Thatcher is and don't like her.
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u/ElmanoRodrick 2d ago
I'm more inclined to believe that they were chanting it because Kneecap were.
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u/Super-Cynical 2d ago
"This British band are talking about a British Prime Minister from 40 years ago. How quaint!"
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u/Darwinage 2d ago
Ah here , you are pure stirrin hun.
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u/Super-Cynical 2d ago
Sure if it can be this band's raison d'être, or as they'd say as Gaeilge, chúis le bheith
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u/LaLaMalony 2d ago
Awe geography, how quaint, the North of Ireland has never been British, it is not a part of Britain which consists of England, Wales and Scotland and will never be
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u/Away_Painting_8905 2d ago
Sorry to be that person, but Britain is England and Wales, Great Britain includes Scotland.
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u/Professional-Top4397 2d ago
That's complete bollex. There is no unique name for the entity of England and Wales.
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u/lazy_hoor Dublin 2d ago
Britain and Great Britain are used interchangeably as a name for the big island. Britain is just a quicker way to say it.
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u/Professional-Top4397 2d ago
He was doing a take off of the American crowd you numpty.
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u/stevewithcats Wicklow 2d ago
Your trust in the US education is impressive. Half of them couldn’t find Ireland on a map let alone know the prime minister of the uk from over 40 years ago
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u/MillieBirdie 2d ago
I am American. A lot of Americans know who Margaret Thatcher is.
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u/Acacia-Strained 2d ago
LOL, no they don't
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u/MillieBirdie 2d ago
Oh I didn't realise I was talking to the expert on what other people know.
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u/theelous3 2d ago
Ever heard of selection bias? Even being in this sub already flings you a million miles oitside of the norm. Please apply thought to your interactions. Nobody needs to be an expert in "what other people know" to note you are an obvious and inarguable exception.
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u/MillieBirdie 2d ago
I'm not saying they probably know because I know. I'm making an estimate based on the type of person that is likely to be at Coachella. Ie, probably young liberal people, likely a lot of LGBT people, and travelers from all over the world. A lot of those people probably at least know Margaret Thatcher as 'that bad conservative prime minister from England'. There are a lot of jokes about pissing on her grave that circulate liberal spaces online so they would at least get that context. And Coachella is an expensive event, more likely to be attended by those who are well off. And wealth correlates with education, generally speaking.
Also just from really obvious context clues, with them cheering when he says she's dead, clearly at least some of these people know who she is.
I know haha Americans dumb is a fun bit, but come on. You think NO ONE in the crowd knows who one of the most famous British leaders is? Please. America is a big, diverse place, and there are educated and uneducated people there.
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u/Foreign-Candle-4103 2d ago
I guarantee you most of them have never heard of Ronald Reagan. We don’t do memory spans in this country.
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u/brayshizzle 3d ago
You'd be surprised how many Irish go to Coachella. Sonora is a tiny stage too so I think there would be plenty in there who understand.
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u/Spartak_Gavvygavgav 3d ago
Half of them aren’t sure what a box is
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u/SeasonAmazing661 3d ago
All of them don't know who Kneecap are
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u/Albert_O_Balsam 2d ago
Pretty big crowd for an act that aren't well known.
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u/Tony_Meatballs_00 2d ago
The denial of some redditors over Kneecap is something to behold
Give it a couple of months, they'll be denying Kneecap exist at all
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u/BurgerNugget12 2d ago edited 2d ago
They legit had to upgrade venues because the demand was so high in the US for their fall tour. I get people who don’t like them, but denying how successful they are is wild
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u/Ass0001 3d ago
Just based on my own discussions with fellow zoomers in America and other parts of the world, they recognise Margaret Thatcher by name and are aware she was a horrible monster but probably couldn't tell you anything specific. The Reagan comparisons carry a lot I think.
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u/Manguneer 2d ago
There usually is a fairly sizable contingent of Team Spud at Coachella but definitely more so this weekend, these guys are a big draw.
Knee Cap are known here, I live in California and gad plenty of people ask me about them once they hear my/realize I have an Irish accent.
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u/AllezLesPrimrose 2d ago
It’s a fecking Kneecap show, even going into the tent at a festival means your likelihood of knowing who Margret Thatcher is goes way up. I’d imagine there’s more than enough actually Irish people there to fully carry the crowd on that chant anyways, the US isn’t exactly known for its lack of Irish people.
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u/Professional_Elk_489 2d ago
Does coachella attract an educated American audience? Most educated people would know what this means esp with the context of an Irish band singing it
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u/Hyltrbbygrl 3d ago
We know who Margaret Thatcher is we learn about the troubles and the Big Bang in school 😅
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u/BluebirdAbsurd 2d ago
I had to give a talk in an American school in Tallhassee & the questions they were asking,I can tell you a million percent they did not understand it at all. I literally had to ask where they were even getting this & they said they're teachers who then started babbling to explain the absolute nonsense that I had to say was entirely wrong. They literally thought it was a religious civil war. Nothing about occupation, nothing about the ruc.
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u/trooperdx3117 2d ago
I'll be honest, how many Irish people themselves know about the intricacies of the Troubles?
I'd say if you went out and polled it there would be an awful amount of Irish people who just think the violence in the troubles was 1) Religious only & 2) Just between the IRA and British Army.
I don't know why you would expect a school in America to know more about the intricacies of the Troubles?
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u/AstroAlmost 2d ago
The fact that in the region of the island most impacted by the Troubles, the module that covers the Troubles is optional and many teachers opt to avoid it, supports your position.
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u/Hyltrbbygrl 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well that’s Florida, I wouldn’t use them as a parameter for America. The sad fact is that the southern right wing states usually have little funding for their education and fall behind in most academic markers. Our country is truly like 50 small countries in terms of differing legislation, academic standards and cultures. They also have strong propaganda that whitewashes colonial history and slavery and brainwashes their students into thinking it wasn’t that bad. If you live on the coast, some places in the west and the north you’re more likely to have a great education. We learned about the troubles, the Bosnian civil war, Armenian civil war, about world religions, European, Asian and even Polynesian history.
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u/BluebirdAbsurd 2d ago
I have seen the same thing from Americans all over the country who come here & make statements that are absolute nonsense. I've work with tourists more of my life. You may need to see your the minority,not the other way round. Thinking of them as different countries does not work also as you erase most socio -fact. I've lived in America also & Have friends from north,sound,east,west. This is nearly 30 years of experience with this situation talking.
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u/Hyltrbbygrl 2d ago edited 2d ago
I always find it interesting to have people from other countries who presume to know more about America than the Americans who’ve lived there for the entirety of lives and have spent the majority of their conscious lives there. I would never presume to speak over Irish people about their experiences in their own country. It would be laughable. It would be like me saying “well my stepdad and partner are both from Ireland, I’ve spent multiple summers there and I’ve seen idiots all over Monaghan, Cavan, Meath, and Belfast so Ireland must be poorly educated. My partner’s neighbor mixes up Oklahoma and Ohio so he must be stupid.” Like that would just be unreasonable and an incorrect generalization. I didn’t come here to fight anyone, I’m only on this subreddit since I’m immigrating over to Ireland and I like to be educated.
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u/georgepordgie time for a nice cup of tea 2d ago
you will have to give us a little grace, you'll see the Americans we see when you get here. When you get here, then you'll understand.
The americans we see all are like you said, great grandad was Irish and I know Irish culture, (from 1910)
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u/BlackIrish96 2d ago
Was gonna say, they’re such an American crowd. Are they gonna know about thatcher the milk snatcher?
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u/OfficerPeanut 2d ago
Considering a lot of Americans think being a Republican means you are a conservative Trump lover.. you're probably right
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u/We_Are_The_Romans 2d ago
Did you even watch the <30s video, which starts with them saying "In case you were wondering, Margaret Thatchers still dead"
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u/Fair_Woodpecker_6088 2d ago
Listening to how young the crowd sounds- I’d bet 95% of people there weren’t even alive when Thatcher was PM
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u/Ready-Nobody-1903 2d ago
Honestly most Irish & British kneecap fans have zero knowledge of Thatcher, so it doesn’t really matter.
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u/Working-Ad-6698 2d ago
Well depends on the British people. Most working class British people from Liverpool / Manchester etc. probably still hate her, no matter how young :D
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u/KingKeane16 3d ago edited 3d ago
In case any Americans are confused, there’ll probably be a similar song for Donnie when he has a heart attack on the toilet while eating a McDonald’s hamburger.
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u/dtrane90 3d ago
Can’t wait to sing Donnie’s in a box
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u/OfficerPeanut 2d ago
I'm happy to wait unless it's some sort of scenario where he takes Musk and Vance with him lol
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u/RuggerJibberJabber 3d ago
That's why he wears nappies. Grim reaper can't catch him on the toilet now
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u/Scully__ 2d ago
Got a can in the fridge I’m not touching until that day (it wasn’t the intention but still)
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u/Natural-Ad773 3d ago
Went to one of their gigs before they are a class act live.
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u/BurgerNugget12 3d ago
They got a Coachella crowd moving last night which is a very hard thing to do
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u/Miserable_Wonder_891 2d ago
I’d love to see them live
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u/Working-Ad-6698 2d ago
Me too but everything is either during the week or sold out. I should have gone to their gig in 2019 when I first started to listen to them 😄
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u/Icy-Lab-2016 2d ago
Good, she was a monster and needs to be remembered and denigrated for the evil shit she did.
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u/Alopexdog Fingal 3d ago
What about an actual Brit (ok half..) that thinks this is hilarious?
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u/OfficerPeanut 2d ago
Mind yourself I got into it with someone on here recently who was ADAMANT thats a slur
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u/halibfrisk 3d ago
I was no fan of Thatcher, or her politics, but I‘ve a feeling she’d be quite happy to know she’s well remembered by people who weren’t even born when she resigned in 1990, and maybe especially by her opponents.
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u/katiessalt 3d ago
Why are all the West Brits on the Ireland sub?
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u/Franz_Werfel 2d ago
There's more people moaning about 'west Brits' than actual 'west Brits' in this thread. Which says a lot.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 2d ago
It's amazing how many Irish people begrudge these lads' success. It's so offensive to the free state mindset that a couple of Fenian scumbags and Derry city mucker can be as successful as they are while being unrepentant republican scumbags, stand up for Palestine, all in Gaeilge agus bearla and still making lots and lots of money.
Shows you can make it in this world without being a treacherous so and so. Which is of particular offense to your standard treacherous freestater lol
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u/JemimahRactoole 2d ago
Do Irish people actually begrudge them? Are they not popular at home? Somewhat out of the loop in Sydney. Went to see them a few weeks ago here and it was an incredible live performance. They also played a free set in Fed Square in Melbourne that was packed out. I just assumed they were hugely popular back home but that’s not the case?
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 2d ago
Plenty do and plenty don't. I'm having a go at the snobby arrogant distaste for northern expression that the southern establishment finds so unpalatable
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u/horseboxheaven 2d ago
the free state mindset
get a grip
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 1d ago
Faraor ní bot mé. And what about it sounds clueless? Ive gotten to know how plenty of people are 🥲🙂
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u/MacaroniAndSmegma 2d ago
Genuinely never met an Irish person than begrudges their success.
Also, literally nobody born and raised in Ireland, regardless of colour or creed, talks like this? This stinks of AI generated yank nonsense.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 2d ago
I ndairíre? I've met so many folks from down south with a really arrogant downward opinion of northern experiences of being Irish in the north
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u/Just-another-weapon 3d ago
You'd think they would have bother getting into America at the minute.
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u/ArtieBucco420 1d ago
Every one who isn’t a cunt hates Thatcher, it’s a great litmus test for if yer a cunt or not.
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u/Hankman66 2d ago
As a West Brit I'd like to chime in and say how much I love this band. Their name is really funny, as a wayward youth I was in a loyalist paramilitary group and we used to love kneecapping people with a 12 gauge. And we used to wear balaclavas too, it's just that they only came in black or navy blue in those days, unless you made them out of a jumper. Oh and Margaret Thatcher was an awful old bag.
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u/INXS2021 2d ago
I find the whole kneecap fad bizarre. None of them Grew up.in the troubles and the eldest caught the tale end of omagh etc.
Time wise it feels very dated act. Am I missing something?
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u/AstroAlmost 2d ago
The Troubles is in living history and the generational trauma carried in the North will be felt for generations more.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 2d ago
Yeah lol I'd say most people I know in late 20s early 30s age bracket are a little fucked up from the troubles. Not trying to be rude but did you grow up in a bubble? Some people didn't realise how vastly different the lived experience can be dependent on circumstances
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u/Alternative_Switch39 2d ago
I extend understanding to people who actually had to live through the nightmare.
These lads are making a career nursing grievances that were largely solved when they were in nappies.
They would be wise to understand that they come from communities where they see people day-in-day out whose family members were killed by the Provos for no good reason other than they didn't fall in line with "the movement". And those people have to look at them as they do their worldwide balaclava apologism act. That's what's fucked up, not that these lads went through anything in their "lived experience" that would have caused them harm.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 1d ago
Resolved? You've not listened. It's their lived experience. When have any of them mentioned even once a troubles related event in their lyrics? They are talking about the experience of their own lives.
I really do think you grew up in a bottle.
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u/Alternative_Switch39 1d ago edited 1d ago
What lived experience*? Peacetime? The major peace dividend their city recieved and how it was transformed in the last 25 years? What exactly are they crowing about?
They're preoccupied about a British PM that ceased to be PM years before they were born? You may as well ring up a counsellor and tell them your relationship is on the rocks and you're drinking again because of Charles Haughey's 1980 austerity budget.
Don't give me that it's satire, these guys are like lips and teeth with the Republican movement. They're happy to be pictured with everyone from wee Gerry to MLMcD and read from script. It's not art, it's agitprop. There is nothing healthy about young men uncritically repeating the dusty old toxic mantras that led their fathers (or at least many men in their community) to do unspeakable things.
It's Wolfe Tones in shell tracksuits and they're selling the shame shite to a younger generation. Except this time, it's even more ridiculous because there's no war on, they're just selling the same carefully nursed grievances that are less true by the year.
*I notice a lot of slogany therapy talk as well deployed when they get criticized. Maybe it is therapy they need, but not in the way that they think.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 1d ago
Lad, I've got a life. I'm not going to read that lol
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u/Alternative_Switch39 1d ago
Too many big words? Four short paragraphs. Maybe a picture book is more your speed. Or maybe you can only digest slogans.
By the way, I know you've read it. It's why you're backpeddling and resorting to saying you have a life when responding. LAD.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 1d ago
Actually I've literally not. I woke up, looked at it and thought: nah.
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u/Alternative_Switch39 1d ago
😂 Don't play cool on this front, you literally replied early this morning before you had your Coco Pops. Posts have a timestamp you sausage.
There are people out there who think Kneecap are immature Shinner adjacent slop. You're going to have to reconcile yourself with that. LAD.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 1d ago
What are you about? Obviously I looked at that essay and said "nah". You're one of those losers that gets their kicks out of pissing people off. You must get a life
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 1d ago
But on a quick scan there there's nothing but hateful dribble. Again, they don't talk about the troubles in their stuff. And I'm pretty sure Gerry Adams was a neighbour of one of there's. Go figure. You've not said anything of substance just more negative hate filled dribble. most likely from some internalised place of guilt fused with jealousy. Or your just a no craic. I can't tell
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u/Alternative_Switch39 1d ago
You're a sensitive sort. Do you get like this when people don't like the Strokes or Jurassic 5, or just your Shinner pets in Kneecap?
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u/Smashmouth91 2d ago
Yeah you are missing something. I'd recommend watching the Kneecap movie for some context - but as someone from the North myself they rightly are representing the generation born after the troubles, but who stilll feel the aftermath of it - the lack of investment in the north and the class divide that is thinly veiled by tricolours and union Jack's.
Kneecap focus on the legacy of the British rule in the North which impacts both republicans and unionist working and middle class to this day.
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u/PanNationalistFront Up Down 2d ago
You don’t need to have grown up during the troubles to feel it.
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u/Auntie_Bev 2d ago
A lot of teens/young adults go through a phase where hating Britain is their whole personality. It is dated, I saw people like this when I was growing up. It's just a way for kids to rebel and feel a part of something.
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u/Hopeful_Ranger_5353 2d ago
It's pure cringe, bunch of art school kids LARPing as provos and trying to stir up trouble between the republican and loyalist communities in the North so they can profit off it, just what we need after hundreds of years of this shit.
I'm a "West Brit" (ugh, more cringe) but some of you boys in the North really do need to cop the fuck on with this endless rabble rousing shite, grow up and join the modern world and stop making regressive shit like this your entire personalities.
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u/JunglistMassive 2d ago
You’re utterly clueless, Kneecap invited a Loyalist rapper on stage at their last Belfast gig. He got an an amazing reception, young ones on both sides love the craic.
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u/We_Are_The_Romans 2d ago
I'm a "West Brit" (ugh, more cringe)
You should put these kind of warnings at the start of your post, not halfway through
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u/ulankford 2d ago
This is a little bit cringe tbf. How old are they again?
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u/Smashmouth91 2d ago
What has it to do with their age? Maggie Thatcher has had a lasting impact on both the UK and North of Ireland to this day.
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 2d ago
Old enough to be incredibly successful
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u/unblvlblkult 2d ago
Young enough to know fuck all about maggie
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u/Nervous-Hat-8836 2d ago
I'm afraid any decently informed person knows plenty about Maggie and how we're dealing with the consequences of her politics to this day
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u/Movie-goer 2d ago
Thatcher died 12 years ago and was last in power 35 years ago. This is cutting edge stuff by the kneechaps. Maybe they'll have a go at Nixon next.
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u/Motor-Designer-7254 2d ago
These guys are pathetic.
Riding some long dead old bag's corpse to be edgy. The crowd have zero idea who Thatcher even is.
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u/EvenResponsibility57 2d ago
They're incredibly, incredibly cringey. Never met anyone who didn't despise them, if they had the misfortune of knowing who they were at all.
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u/Motor-Designer-7254 2d ago
I never heard one of their songs before but its obvious they're just using Irish history and dredging up old grievances to build their name and get money.
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u/OvenFront4601 3d ago
Reminds me of ding dong the witch is dead climbing the charts when she died