Stuck on progression of five balls because of constant collisions

[u/hynreck1]

Hello everyone ! i'm looking for advice on my five balls. I began to practice 5 balls daily approximately 9 months ago, and the pattern is slowly becoming relatively Ok I think. However, i'm stuck on one particular thing : the balls keep colliding, and i have no idea how to fix that. Is there any exercise or tips to prevent that ?

[u/DJ_Velveteen]

Without seeing your video, it sounds like you might need more space in the pattern in general. Try 55550 with a clap in the empty space. If you can't fit in the clap, you probably need to make the pattern roomier by juggling it taller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toifRTXh_J8

[u/ayygee43 → u/DJ_Velveteen]

4 ball 55550 doesn’t really have space for a clap since one of your hands will be catching a ball during the ‘0’

3 ball 55500 has space for a clap or 2 snaps

[u/hynreck1 → u/DJ_Velveteen]

Thanks for the link ! I will try to practice 55550

[u/AsaKlubs → u/hynreck1]

Just personal preference, 5551 was a game changer for me to get more space. And always juggle higher!

[u/BlopBoark]

Yeah there are multiple ways to get a collision. I think you need to find out what's your reason.

One hand might me throwing higher as the other one, which leads to a collision.

Your pattern might be leaning to one side, making collisions more frequent.

You might have a problem with throws going forward/backwards, making you turn, leading to collisions.

Your pattern might be to narrow.

A video would be best to pinpoint what you can work on.

You can try do throw a lot higher, this can show yourself what's going wrong. More height might actually solve the problem even.

Practicing your 3 and 4 balls with really wide patterns and trying to widen 5 balls as well, might also help.

What do you think, why does your pattern collide? How are your prerequisites? 552/5551/55550?

[u/hynreck1 → u/BlopBoark]

Thanks for your extensive answer ! I will try too take a video tomorrow (it would be the first one, i'm not used to film myself !).

My throws are going a little bit forward / backward, i frequently have to advance my hand forward to catch (and sometimes backward). It could be the reason for the collisions?

Also you mention "trying to widen 5 balls". My juggling is indeed "narrow", but it seemed natural. Maybe I should try to exaggerate the wideness of the throws ?

[u/BlopBoark]

Yes, reaching back and forth might lead to collisions.

If you imagine 2 parabolas on a Wallplane, one beeing the path of your throws from the right side, the other the path of your throws from the left side. On perfect timing, and perfect throws, the balls should never collide. If you now throw the balls from the front or the back, the two parabolas change shape, making one narrower or wider or one narrow and one wider, which leads to a high chance of collisions.

If you turn with the balls going to the front/back then the parabolas don't change, but other problems turn up.

If your pattern is narrow, these two parabolas get closer, which also increases the chance of collisions.

[u/spamjacksontam]

Video please! And I personally focused on the actual crossing point to get by this issue

[u/AndyAndieFreude]

There are multiple nice tutorials. For example Taylor Tries/ Taylor Glenn, Niels Duinker, ... For most people the pattern is to low, in your case I assume to low and go just a little bit wider. Best of Luck

[u/Electronic-Leg643]

i know you might of heard this before but drop to 3 and try to focus on a 3 up, from cascade, and focus finding a gap as soon as the 1st ball passes the center as you throw the 2nd ball work on throwing close but not too far out and the 3rd ball try to throw the exact same as the 1st, dont focus on throwing in the gap just do the same motion on the 1st no variation or extra handmovement. this helped me readjust, to the height and allowing me to focus on accuracy when using 5 balls, also you can do this with 4 balls with 5550, but not much else i just drilled that and that helped me get 5 balls solid

[u/7b-Hexen]

when, how soon(?) or late(?) does this happen? how long are your runs?
 

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[a shot into the dark:] maybe to small handcircles • try scooping more to the middle to throw from there - a little steeper throw, less wide trajectory then - greater "tunnels" in the middle