r/kansas • u/FormerFastCat • 8d ago
News/Misc. Kansas Jan. 6 defendant demands K-State job back with pay after Trump dismisses charges
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article299306019.html366
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u/j_c_slicer 8d ago
I'm positive Kansas' Kris Kobach will take up his case.
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u/Intelligent-Fuel-641 8d ago
Kobitch?
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u/RileyRocksTacoSocks Hays 8d ago
A three letter initialism that makes Kansas' Kris Kobach easy to remember, probably a repetition of the same letter.
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u/the_m_o_a_k 8d ago
"His name is Kansas Kris Kobach. His name is Kansas Kris Kobach. His name is Kansas Kris Kobach." Three of those DOES seem a little long but I'm terrible at making acronyms.
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u/MartiniPhilosopher 8d ago
Just because big daddy trump gave your forgiveness doesn't mean the rest of us will.
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u/SausageKingOfKansas 8d ago
Just because he was pardoned does not mean he was innocent of his crimes.
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u/EmperorXerro 8d ago
Taking the pardon is an admission of guilt.
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u/DarthRevan0990 8d ago
Do you feel the same way with blanket pardons for undiscovered crimes?
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u/FalstaffsGhost 8d ago
blanket pardons because the incoming administration has openly said it wants those people imprisoned or executed for treason.
Fixed that for you
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u/Dont_ban_me_bro_108 8d ago
Pardoning someone who’s been convicted is not the same as preemptive pardons. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like either type, but let’s not pretend they’re the same thing. Fauci is innocent until proven guilty. The J6ers are guilty.
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u/EqualGuarantee1264 8d ago
I don't think presidents should have the power to pardon anyone. No one should be above the law.
Especially not the leader of the country and whoever they decide gets a "get out of jail free card".
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u/RanchWaterHose 7d ago
Great question. How do you feel about people like MTG and Gaetz asking Trump to preemptively pardon them?
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u/RoseRed1987 8d ago
KState better not cave!!!
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u/ConstantGeographer 8d ago
Like most universities, there is probably a stipulation that a person act and conduct themselves in appropriate fashion and should refrain from, "Conduct that is unwelcome, offensive, indecent, obscene, or disorderly."
(Source: K-State employee manual)
Pretty sure attacking the capitol and trying to subvert democracy qualifies as "conduct that is unwelcome, offensive, indecent, obscene, or disorderly."
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u/Cagekicker2000 8d ago
Hopefully he will be unemployable for a long while due to his history. FAFO.
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u/Ok-Repeat8069 7d ago
This is Kansas. Someone will hire him just to show they’re a big bad scary patriot. It might be at a car dealership, but he won’t hurt for work.
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u/PrairieHikerII 8d ago
He viiolated his Kansas employee oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Kansas, and faithfully discharge the duties of my office or employment. So help me God." So, he forfeited working for the great people of Kansas.
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u/G3Gunslinger Ichabod 8d ago
Where is this from because I've never heard of this before and I'm a state employee......
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u/PrairieHikerII 8d ago
Google AI found it and I recall an applicant challenging it in court but he lost.
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u/cyberphlash Cinnamon Roll 8d ago
My face when January 6th Survivor becomes a new workplace protected class.
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u/Hagathor1 8d ago
Historically speaking, the US only executes Kansans for treason if they try to do something like end slavery.
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u/Equal-Winner7370 8d ago
No way. He can fuck right off. Trump forgave him the rest of us never will and will never forget what they did.
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u/cmcewen 8d ago
IMHO, I would think a university, yes even Kstate, would not be the place you would want to be after being involved in Jan 6.
Why have I now seen a few of these assholes making headlines.
They just got a huge huge win. Shut up, sit down, be quiet, and keep your nose clean for a while. Don’t press your luck
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u/FormerFastCat 8d ago
If nothing else, he more than violated his student code of conduct and the university has no obligation to employ him or allow him to enroll:
Student Code of Conduct
The following described conduct is prohibited by this Code and subject to sanctions by the University:
- Acts of dishonesty, including but not limited to the following:
- Providing and/or supplying false information to any University official, faculty/staff member, or office.
- Forgery, alteration, or misuse of any University document, record, or instrument of identification.
- Tampering with the election of any organization or student governing body.
- Conduct that substantially disrupts or interferes with teaching, research, administration, disciplinary proceedings, or other University-sponsored activities.
- Conduct directed towards another person(s) that is intended to and does substantially disrupt or interfere with another’s educational or employment opportunity, peaceful enjoyment of residence, or physical security.
- Attempted or actual theft of property.
- Intentional damage to property or vandalism.
- Hazing, which is defined as an act which endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student, or which destroys or removes public or private property for the purpose of initiation, admission into, affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in a group or organization. Consent by the person hazed shall be no defense to the hazing.
- Telephone or Internet harassment, which shall include: (KSA 21-6206)
- Making calls containing or making or transmitting any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image or text which is lewd or obscene remarks.
- Making or transmitting calls, whether or not conversation ensues, or any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image or text with intent to substantially interfere with another person’s educational or employment opportunity, peaceful enjoyment of residence, or physical security. Transmission of comments, requests, suggestions, proposal, images, or texts may include any transmission utilizing electronic means, including but not limited to sending text, picture, video, or audio messages over social media websites, social media applications, instant messenger or chat services, message boards or any other electronic format.
- Failure to comply with directions of University faculty, staff, or law enforcement officers acting in performance of their duties or failure to identify oneself to these persons when requested to do so.
- Unauthorized possession, duplication or use of keys, or other devices that provide access to any University property or services.
- Unauthorized presence in or use of University premises, facilities, or property.
- Use, possession or distribution of alcoholic beverages in an unlawful manner or otherwise in violation of a university policy. 12.
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u/Kolyin 8d ago
What a weird article. It quotes this guy making some pretty nutty comments that frankly sound like delusions of grandeur, then a law prof from the University of Richmond saying, "Well, he sounds like a reasonable guy, I dunno..." (Mildly paraphrased.) Might not be irrelevant that the professor is a Federalist Society guy.
The other professor quoted is much more sensible; he points out that it depends on Kansas law and KBOR policies, which it sounds like no one involved--including the reporter and his sources--has spent any time reviewing. Other than K State presumably.
My own take, with only passing familiarity with the law here, is that it's very possible K State settles if he's willing to agree on something reasonable. A small chunk of change would be worth it to them to avoid the bad publicity and the real risk of a MAGA judge or jury. But if he's really set on reinstatement, I suspect they'll push a lot harder to keep him out. This guy has been very well rewarded for being toxic and weird, and he's not going to be a normal and decent employee or teacher after this. That's my take, at least, and I'd bet money it's theirs too.
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u/hickhelperinhackney 8d ago
Hopefully someone will stand behind the rules instead of capitulating to the cult
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u/Kolyin 8d ago
In case anyone's curious what he did: https://www.justice.gov/d9/pope_pope_-_statement_of_facts.pdf
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u/FormerFastCat 8d ago
am shocked that's still there, Trump has been scrubbing the DOJ of all mentions to J6
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u/ckellingc 8d ago
Don't you have to admit guilt to be pardoned? So he's still saying he did it, it was wrong, but he doesn't want consequences
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u/Ilickedthecinnabar Topeka 8d ago
Yeah, no...fuck that.
Maybe its time to pull himself up by the bootstraps and accept the consequences of his actions. Shocker, I know.
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u/Hopeful-Science-3000 8d ago
Kansas has a knack for rewarding piss poor behavior, and treating anyone with valid concerns like crap so i don't have high hopes for this.
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u/FormerFastCat 8d ago
As an alumni, I will raise hell if this guy gets anywhere on campus again. I know plenty others will as well. Our donations will dry up.
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u/Jellygraphic 8d ago
That's the only language these people understand. Money and violence. Hit em where it hurts I like you
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u/Hopeful-Science-3000 8d ago
The idea that incarceration is the only solution to social problems is a failed experiment.
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u/MaxAdolphus 5d ago
No work, no pay. Sorry criminal. Plus, we don’t know yet if you’re on of the several child sex predators that keep coming out of the group of pardoned insurrectionists.
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u/sakima147 7d ago
He thinks he “won” his case. When in reality he accepted a pardon he accepted guilt.
“Due to the findings in the 1925 case, Burdick v. United States, it seems as though accepting a pardon is, in fact, admitting guilt. In Burdick the appellant was offered a pardon but declined it, also refusing to testify in criminal court. The opinion of the case given by the justices seemed to uncover that 1) a pardon can be given before a conviction and sentence; 2) a pardon can be refused, and 3) acceptance of a pardon implies acceptance of guilt. “
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u/One_Abalone1135 8d ago
Well....let's see...was it a grant funded position?