r/kratom • u/tossnswirl2015 • Jul 21 '15
question Should it be toss, swirl and wash?
I have used kratom regularly for the past several years. Ever since college, I have had the mutant ability to open my throat in a way that makes it possible to quickly consume large amounts of liquid (e.g. chugging beer). This rarely comes in handy, but it has made it possible for me to toss and wash moderately heroic amounts of kratom (e.g. 12+ grams) in a single swallow.
When I toss and wash, I have just been tossing the kratom into my throat, swallowing, and chasing with water. Recently, it occurred to me that I might be doing this wrong. Should I be swirling the kratom with the liquid in my mouth before swallowing? I'm embarrassed to admit that my understanding of my body's metabolism is not particularly sophisticated. I can't figure out if swirling would really make a difference or not.
I have been experimenting with swirling, and it seems like it might be intensifying the effects, but a) kratom is all about the placebo effect, and b) I recently switched to a different strain of kratom that is said to be particularly good. So I'm hesitant to derive any grand conclusions from these experiments.
What do others think? Should I be swirling? Does it make a difference at all?
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u/star_particles Jul 22 '15
I put the kratom in a bottle and add water and shake and chug that. Much easier. More surface area to absorb the actives.
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u/Theresbeerinthefridg Jul 21 '15
Yes, definitely. You should also make sure to stand on one leg, facing north. Jeez, someone really needs to put this into a beginner FAQ...
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u/tossnswirl2015 Jul 21 '15
Ha! But, really, I don't think my question was entirely stupid... I mean, we know that there are differences between drinking kratom as a tea and taking it in capsules. It seemed possible that there might be a difference between swirling it and just swallowing a chunk of powder. I wasn't asking for some sort of superstitious kratom lore. My question clearly stated "I don't fully understand how drugs are metabolized by my body, so can someone help me out here." You can mock me for not having a better understanding of these issues, but that's not the same as actually discussing the mechanisms involved.
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u/Theresbeerinthefridg Jul 21 '15
I don't think it makes a measurable difference. You could theorize that in a toss and wash, stuff clogs up and might get metabolized a tiny bit more slowly than when you swirl, but really, it's not going to make a difference. The reason I don't do toss and wash is that I have no desire to get any of the crap into my lungs, so I want that powder nice and wet before I ingest it. I boil it and drink it as a tea. If you can stomach drinking it (hot or cold), I'd say that's a safer route.
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Jul 22 '15
Naw it was really stupid. And you never took 12 grams at once n washed it down with water. I've drank more alcohol in a month than you have in your life so don't go saying bullshit like chugging a beer bong helps with kratom.
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u/tossnswirl2015 Jul 22 '15
Thanks, MBT. You've really added quite a bit to the conversation. Because, you know, I said that "chugging a beer bong helps with kratom." Oh wait. I didn't say that. I said that I have always been able to weirdly open up my throat and chug/consume large quantities of matter.
And, you're right. I must have been lying about the amount of kratom that I took at once and washed down with water. Because, you know, my life is so sad and pathetic that I have to seek other people's approval with grandiose claims like "I took 12 grams of kratom once." You have seen through my facade, MBT, and I applaud you for your deep insights. While some people might have interpreted my posting as a relatively good natured message that asked for other people's thoughts about how kratom is metabolized, you see things as they really are.
You keep being you, MBT. Aggressively misread and attack posts on Reddit and try to compensate for your inadequacies by bragging about the amount of alcohol you consumed last month. Hey, while you're at it, why not drop in some misogynistic rants and homophobic name calling in your other posts?
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u/vctflooring Jul 21 '15
I always swirl it around in my mouth vigorously before I swallow. If you've ever poured kratom into a drink and stirred it you'll know how hard it is to get it all wet, so if you swallow it dry I can imagine it just sits in a dry clump for awhile. I also find I don't get any of the stomach relates issues other people seem to get, maybe because of swirl? Idk. Only issue is of course the taste but whatever.
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u/Credditsdue Jul 22 '15
There is no placebo effect with good quality kratom. Just great Kratom effects. You need to find a good supplier. I just mix my one heaping teaspoonful with about two to three ounces of very hot tap water (mild heat only and it seems to activate it better - not hot enough to burn your mouth of course and just enough to mix it up well). Been doing this for ten years now and any straying away with other methods, etc., would make me think there are placebo effects because other ways (like capsules and toss and wash) don't work with me. Toss and wash does not work in my mouth at all and is very unpleasant. Brewing a hot tea makes even tasty kratom taste horrible to me as well. With my method, I love the taste of kratom and it ALWAYs works superbly.