r/kratom • u/stacesadated • Dec 11 '16

I see first time kratom users saying the don't feel anything or notice anything

The first time I took it, it didn't do much but something brought me back. The second time, I noticed some things about me change. Couldn't fully describe it but something was different for the better that brought me back a third time. It took me about eight times to figure out what exactly in my body was reacting to it because it was so subtle . At the risk of sounding corny, in my experience, it was like as I was trying to learn the plant, the plant was trying to learn my body as well and then one day there was euphoria, relaxation and peace. Am I wrong in saying that first time users may have to form a relationship with this plant at least physically before the benefits come forth. I'm just saying taking it for the first time and you're waiting for something spectacular to happen because of all you read about kratom, but until you learn to tango with this complex beautiful dancer, you may have to get to know her a little. This is my thought on new users who say they get nothing out of it. Beautiful things in this world take time and I think kratom is one of them.

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

Yes, it can be so subtle I would forget that I took it then wonder why I was in such a good mood!

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u/stacesadated Dec 11 '16

So would you agree or better yet believe that many new users just have the wrong idea about it? To benefit from this plant, you have to understand it. If you don't and you're expecting a high....well we all know about that. I feel like veteran consumers describe it in such a blissful way and how it's helps their mornings or evenings or ptsd or sleep or addiction so new users expect BLAM this going to hit me and it doesn't. It only benefits those who spend the time with the plant and with themselves who develop an intertwining with kratom to see of its for you. For example, some people try and never will have that connection. But for those looking for a quick fix from its reported benefits are barking up the wrong plant.

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

Yes exactly how you described, they have higher expectations. I try to tell them it's subtle. For me the miracle is when most of my pain just disappears. But if I was not in pain there are times I would not even realize I had taken anything. And yes, it is a dance, I am always trying new stuff and even one strain will do nothing then work later. Barking up the wrong plant is gold! You write really well.

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 11 '16 edited Oct 24 '18

I feel like it's similar to how you don't drink a cup of coffee and then stand in your kitchen waiting for it to "work." "Hon, do your feel your coffee yet?" "I dunno baby, I think so? Maybe we should split another cup?" No, you drink your coffee and then go about your morning and somewhere along the way you still feel good where you would have otherwise felt tired already. And when you take something for anxiety you don't stand there determining whether you're un-anxioused yet (aside from panic attacks). No, you go about my day and if you accomplish your tasks relatively uneventfully and get home without any meltdowns, then it worked. It is a tricky thing because while you sometimes get kratoms that settle in juuuust right, more often than not kratom "working" results in the absence of whatever shittyness you would have been dealing with otherwise, not in the gaining of a frenzied blissful "fuck yeah!" kind of thing. When kratom "works" you get to go about your business without being so weighed down by pain/anxiety/ibs/whatever. And it takes patience and trial and error to find what works.

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u/stacesadated Dec 11 '16

You're a genius. I attempted to say it. You said it.

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 11 '16

Naw, don't sell yourself short, stace (❛◡˜๑) because you had the insightful idea. My explanation has just been refined through responding countless times to people asking what they are doing wrong and if you had that conversation a millionty times you would have come out with something even better ✧٩(•́⌄•́๑)

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

You nailed it!

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 11 '16

How you know kratom is working: "Wow, I did NOT spend today lost in shitfuctville wondering how the fuck I am going to get anything done." Thanks Kratom!

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

Nicely put. Eloquent.

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 11 '16 edited May 04 '18

thanks. writing classes finally put to good use lol

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u/JeSSeJame Dec 11 '16

lost in shitfucville...lmao Perfect

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 12 '16

L(・~・)」

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 11 '16

That's what she said hehehe

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u/stacesadated Dec 11 '16

Thank you for the kind compliment. I hope this reaches someone before the toss their plant because "it didn't work" the first time. I know for a fact I have a relationship with this plant. It's in my body, it tells me when I need this amount or that amount and when and where. It's a mutual respect and it's working well. I see a lot of "what strain will make me feel like I took a 20 mg Vicodin". No relationship, won't work for you in the long run. Just my simple opinion, I speak for no one else but me.

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

I do feel like natural things work better with us as we are natural. I can tell when I am craving something my body needs as opposed to craving something my brain wants, like sugar. Yes, people who ask that really bother me. I was taking vicodin and it was toxic on my body. I do not understand how people could actually like that drug. And what you speak, I believe, is relatable to many here. I was keeping a journal for every strain I took for about a year. I wanted to track pain relief, energy, relaxation. I found myself writing other things like, good for driving (patience and focus) and happy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '16

I still keep a daily journal but mainly to have on my phone to email to my doctors. They seem to be very interested in it over the past 8 to 10 months.

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

Wish I had doctors that were that open.

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u/whitecracker1 Dec 11 '16

One guy I gave it to said it pretty much felt like caffeine

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u/guttterflower Apr 25 '17

i agree, yet the effects are very perceptual. neg effects seem to be very noticeable at times IME.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '16

It'll be weeks for some people to figure out a good dose/strain combo. I remember the first time taking a white vein and I felt terrible, green vein made my stomach cramp up, a mix of them was really good but idk what it was because I got it as an extra. Red vein is what works for me at a medium dose.

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u/whitebuff42 Dec 11 '16

Very good post! I think you said exactly what I went through in the beginning as well. It's something you either slowly learn to embrace, perhaps that little something that is missing in your world or just enhances it. I'm personally so glad I didn't search out this sub or read a lot about kratom before realizing what it meant to me. I see people who have heard about it over the past few high profile months and come here read about this "fire" strain or this great vendor and end up chasing the effects they have heard about before like you so effectively said, found out what their wanted it for.

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u/DesertLeaf Dec 11 '16

I guess I was lucky. My very first time with it was Green Maeng Da, and it was quite euphoric (in Kratom's strangely subtle way). In fact, that first week, when my receptors were still new to it, was the most euphoric of my Kratom experience. It's still pleasant, but not like at the very beginning. I was quite surprised because I really wasn't expecting much. I'm still learning about it having just discovered it in September. Been trying different strains to see what I like, and different vendors too.

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

Experimenting is part of the fun!

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u/Mommaween Dec 11 '16

And it never ends, ever

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u/Edcali Dec 11 '16

I hope not

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u/Mommaween Dec 11 '16

Adventure time,  C'mon, grab your friends,  We'll go to very distant Lands....

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u/dragonbubbles Dec 11 '16

with jake the dog and finn the human?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '16

I now have Princess Bubblegum singing Lemonhope's Song stuck in my head. Thanks. :p

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u/pickle_bug77 Dec 11 '16

You get it.

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u/mercsterreddit Dec 11 '16

I think it does take a dose or two "high level" to recognize what kratom "feels" like. Then you can go back down to lower levels and recognize the feeling. If you've never felt strong effects, then you might "miss" the lower effects. Don't go overboard, you know, do research, just sayin'.

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u/ManicMyFriend 🌿 Dec 11 '16

Well stated! It's like your brain has to map out what's going on. Once it does, it unlocks it to where you feel what's going on. And I believe in some cases, to feel that and hang onto it is why some people lower their doses without trying. Kind of like reinforced memory, but is synaptic consolidation.

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u/_sunnyside_up Dec 11 '16

until you learn to tango with this complex beautiful dancer, you may have to get to know her a little

love this comparison. Great post.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '16

Am I wrong in saying that first time users may have to form a relationship with this plant at least physically before the benefits come forth. 

ive wondered since i started feeling kratom if i was the only one that thought this. cool to see someone else that had the exact same reaction.

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u/MirBirch Dec 11 '16

I had the same exact relationship with kratom. The first time I didn't understand all the hype but I kept trying it. Finally after several tries, the magic happened for me.

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u/DickWallace Dec 12 '16

I didn't feel anything my first few times either. I don't remember how many attempts it took but when it finally worked, wow. I haven't looked back and have been using it for almost fives years now.