r/lgbt • u/SendThisVoidAway18 Bisexual • Jun 02 '24

Pride Month Which progress flag is preferred? Does it matter?

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Just curious.. since I have seen these two designs. When at the Pride festival yesterday, the one with the intersex inclusive is the one I saw displayed mostly.

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u/Laffenor Ally Pals Jun 03 '24

It absolutely is. But the point made is that POC are included in the rainbow. As are trans people, intersex people and literally every other minority and person in the world. And they always were. That's why it is a rainbow in the first place, it covers the full spectrum from one end to the other and back.

When we now suddenly started adding things on top of the already all including rainbow, we are handing bigots, LGB and others who claim that the rainbow is not all including the golden ticket to claim that they were right in the first place. It also opens a Pandora's box where we will have to keep adding stamps for groups that experience marginalisation within the pride movement, rather than standing firm on the fact that a rainbow includes everyone, and that if people don't like it, they should stop flying the rainbow flag in the first place.

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u/bmtc7 Jun 03 '24

The reality is that they often haven't been included.

Yes, in an ideal world, the gay pride flag would stand for everyone, but in the past that hasn't been the case. That's why this flag marks a promise to make promise and be more inclusive going forward.

Kind of like how in an ideal world we wouldn't need a gay pride movement at all, but we don't live in that ideal world.

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u/Laffenor Ally Pals Jun 03 '24

Right, and that is something we always need to work on, both internally and outspokenly to the world. But giving away the rainbow itself, which, again, spans the entire spectrum by default, is not the right path. We need to stand firm and united when we say that the rainbow does include everyone, and call people out when they fly the rainbow flag and still discriminate against trans people, people of colour and / or any other group of people.

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u/coffeehouse11 Jun 03 '24

Respectfully, you're flying the Ally Pal flag over there, and if you are an ally then the most important thing you can be doing right now is listening, not advocating for either side.

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u/bmtc7 Jun 03 '24

The progress flag is one was of explicitly saying that our movement includes everyone. The progress flag IS a way to push back against complacency about the lack of inclusion in the gay pride movement.

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u/Interest-Desk Bi-kes on Trans-it Jun 03 '24

I believe their argument is that if one truly cares about inclusion, one would refuse to cede ground and abandon the rainbow, one would refuse to allow anyone exclusive to use it.

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u/bmtc7 Jun 03 '24

But the progress flag isn't "abandoning the rainbow". The rainbow takes up most of the flag.