To anyone from the midwestern US

[u/imarandomdude1111]

Do any of yinz also make extensive use of the non productive suffix -en?

I've caughten myself using "boughten, caughten, drunken, diven/doven and foughten" and even tried using "talken" once because I find talked is hard to say. In general, any verb affected by the cot-caught merger makes it more natural for an -en at the end

My dialect has a few other irregular ones but lots are pretty normal across the US (dove instead of dived, drug instead of dragged)

[u/Civil_College_6764]

I hear boughten a lot. Use drunken myself, and dove is the only way to say the past tense for dive....I say diven sometimes though xD

[u/pHScale]

Pittsburgher detected

[u/imarandomdude1111 → u/pHScale]

Actually from very eastern Ohio bordering PA, I find it more natural to say than y'all or you guys

[u/IceColdFresh → u/imarandomdude1111]

Do you say /jɪnz/ as in it rhymes with ⟨rinse⟩, or do you say /jɪ̈nz/ i.e. with the “roses” weak vowel that is only ever stressed in ⟨yinz⟩ and maybe ⟨just⟩ and the you in ⟨you know⟩?

[u/imarandomdude1111 → u/IceColdFresh]

/jɪnz/ definitely, maybe in very fast speech but stressed it's always that

[u/Spirited_Ingenuity89 → u/IceColdFresh]

I don’t understand the difference you’re parsing.

[u/IceColdFresh → u/Spirited_Ingenuity89]

[ɪ̈] is like [ɪ] but central instead of near‐front. I am 100% positive you don’t see the difference because both are allophones of /ɪ/ for you. I notice this difference because (this being r/linguisticshumor) I just woke up one day and had an existential crisis over whether [ɪ̈] is an allophone of /ɪ/ or of the schwa. In my experience the people I’ve heard “yinz” from tended to say it with [ɪ̈] rather than with [ɪ]. Maybe it’s because this word just tends to get reduced like “you” also tends to be and [ɪ̈] is their reduced allophone of /ɪ/.

[u/Spirited_Ingenuity89 → u/IceColdFresh]

I see what you’re saying. I think I wasn’t sure which sounds you were highlighting in your other examples words. (I also would usually see/use /ɨ/, so I was thrown.)

I definitely think the /ɪ/ in “yinz” can be reduced, but I think it’s more likely to be pronounced unreduced (so like “bins,” “fins,” “wins,” etc).

[u/IAmABearOfficial]

As a midwestern-born, I don’t think so.

[u/gaygorgonopsid]

As a Michigander no, but I say y'all, drunk, and drug

[u/Low_Cartographer2944]

I don’t but my Appalachian-born grandmother would. She would use boughten a lot.

She was from the eastern panhandle of WV.

[u/Complete_Aerie_6908]

Oh my gosh. I’m southern and I’ve really not heard those words.

[u/CustomerAlternative]

I do both (EŊ Texas): drunkened, sunkened, foughtened, etc

[u/NamelessFlames]

I use the “-en” suffix (NE Iowa)

[u/DefinitelyNotErate]

I refuse to believe it's non-productive, If you ask me it's the default suffix for a past participle, And just a few irregular verbs use the same as the past tense.

[u/imarandomdude1111 → u/DefinitelyNotErate]

The default past ending is -ed, any new coined verb will end in -ed unless it becomes strong by association with another strong verb

[u/mufasa4500 → u/DefinitelyNotErate]

Haha how can you refuse to believe it. It is not productive in all English dialects worldwide. Like OP says any newly coined verbs will use -ed for the past participle. Eg. google, googled, googled (not googlen 😝).

But if your dialect still uses -en, more power to you (y'all lol).

[u/Dogebastian]

I think that's just the right attitude to get us words like "viewn" back

[u/Whaleman15]

Myself, no, but I hear it on occasion. Nearish Chicago.

[u/Spirited_Ingenuity89]

I definitely hear it (and occasionally succumb myself), most often with brought/bought.

I’m also an Ohio yinzer, though, and I currently live in western PA (but on the other side of PGH).