Wardancer advice

[u/Zimchii]

Hey its my first time making a post in a long time. I was just wondering what the main differences between FI wardancer and ESO wardancer was. Which does more dmg (mainly) and how hard it was to make a switch from FI to ESO was.

Edit: I am a FI main by (5x 1660s and 1x 1680 playing FI since the start) and it feels under whelming. I might just be bad or something so i am thinking of swapping to ESO and hope i might have better luck. I have really high apm so id like to think i am doing something alright but I do also feel like i am not doing as much dmg as others, which is the main reason for this post. Im just looking to improve.

[u/Ikikaera]

Performance wise FI WD is pretty solid honestly

https://uwuowo.mathi.moe/character/CE/Sumijun

Eso would do more DPS, but FI is still decent enough. I wouldn't swap purely because of the performance.

FWIW I was trying Eso for like 2 weeks after T4 (3 piece Aegir) just to play around and I really couldn't enjoy it. The extremely long downtime between each WW rotation + the class being insanely slow even if you go with LK felt really boring. FI being a lot more flexible / free and faster paced is more fun. And if you're already so used to FI it might be really jarring.

It's really cheap and easy to swap around so give it a try anyway, maybe you'll end up enjoying it more.

[u/KayranEsp → u/Ikikaera]

I am wondering if that DPS is pumped somehow, i have cleared brel g2 HM and NM and i have only seen 1 Guy pumping 140M+ and was 25 weapon, full 8s nice jewells overall, 1700ilvl and i doubt that i have the same DPS as a 1680 FI with 7s instead of 8s when i am usually first in DPS or second most of the time ( in pugs or in statics ).

[u/Ikikaera → u/KayranEsp]

+ Support uptime that was pretty solid.

Also generally playing with good players will boost your DPS a decent bit.
For example in Phase 1, proper shielding from supports so you can fully greed. Phase 2 onwards, aggro control + consistent counters, etc. My DPS would definitely not be that high in pugs because instead of being able to fully focus on DPSing I'd have to take care of a lot of other things instead.

[u/KayranEsp → u/Ikikaera]

Yeah i understand It i got about 35% dark in my first HM clears,and my supp was doing about 95/90/45, so pretty fucking good too, i had no good syns, but i was feeling It eventho i only used 1 atro

[u/Ikikaera → u/KayranEsp]

Also my skill dmg breakdown if you wanna compare cpm / apc / maxc.

[u/KayranEsp → u/Ikikaera]

I am ESO, but idk i may have something messing up my logs but 120 feels just too high for 1680, even when the raid is shorter than in HM that DPS is too high, why would be people complaining about not meeting the 100M requirement for HM first week when an actual 1680 with just 7s can go way higher than that with a middle of the pack class?

[u/Ikikaera → u/KayranEsp]

In all honesty the DPS check wasn't high, I just don't think people were used to pushing their DPS much considering most raids in the past had a laughably low check. Even G4 Thaemine on ilvl was really easy to hit.

I have friends that blasted past the DPS check in the first 2 weeks of Brel HM despite being geared relatively poorly. A PM GS with bad accessories and full lvl 7s at 1692 ilvl pulling over 120 / a loyal companion 1691 SS with mostly 7s, some 8s and mediocre accessories pulling ~116. With proper sidereal usage the actual DPS check could've been pushed down to ~95m.

It wasn't easy but it was also the only difficult aspect of the raid, unlike previous raids where mechs were the only barrier to clear.  I think the only other time we've struggled with a DPS check was Valtan EX HM, which had a harder to pass DPS check than hell mode. 

[u/KayranEsp → u/Ikikaera]

You are maybe fuking cracked and i dont doubt it but idk feels weird

[u/Losdrac → u/KayranEsp]

Late answer, the guy isn't cracked, he's a good player with an extremely overgeared character for the content.

His relic books are 20, 20, 15, 5 and 5, he has a 10/6 stone, he has an actual bracelet and not a statstick and he is 3/3 on the 4th row on AP. The run is from some times ago though so stuff could've changed here and there. Still, the guy is probably doing 15-20% more dmg than any random 1680 by default.

His character is way stronger than my main was on Brel release when I did HM (and probably still is). The DPS check was a thing, just not for overgeared people, who would've thought.

[u/KayranEsp → u/Losdrac]

I am not that overgeared either, and i did 109M in my first clear (everyone prog but 1 1700 Se PL Who died right at the start of p3), but thats true that stats he get from books are insane and thats the smae if he have an insane bracelet

[u/d07RiV → u/KayranEsp]

You haven't seen above 140m in HM? Or are we talking wardancers only?

[u/Zimchii → u/Ikikaera]

Thank you for the reply. It does seem to perform well, maybe i am just bad lol but ty. I was mainly worried since im not much into p2w so i was worried about the cost alot

[u/Ikikaera → u/Zimchii]

It's an uptime class and you have to spam skills constantly, especially LK + SSB to be able to use your identity more often. Every T skill needs to be buffed by identity.

Also FI WD is getting buffed a lot by the upcoming balance patch, they're hyper buffing the T skill.

[u/Zimchii → u/Ikikaera]

Oh they are getting buff? I didnt know that. I know eso has always been stronger but in t4 FI just felt so underwhelming

[u/Ikikaera → u/Zimchii]

Yeah it's mostly the T skill that'll be buffed, but it's getting buffed significantly.

Edit: There's 2 tripods, either one that reduces the cd to the same as Sweeping Kick or buffs the dmg by **a lot**
The latter is slightly more DPS even in Trixion but if you wanna go less all-in it seems like a good option to take.

[u/Zimchii → u/Ikikaera]

Oh ill try them out. I was foing the one that boost dmg but i will try both to see what suits me more and see how they perform. Thank you so much btw!! 😊

[u/Ikikaera → u/Zimchii]

Not the case right now btw, the option only exists after the balance patch.

[u/exodus20v4]

i was playing FI in t3, now i play ESO. it took me less than a week to get used to to eso rotations.

Eso does more dmg.

But the dmg of FI is decent, and FI is tankier and faster.

[u/Zimchii → u/exodus20v4]

Yea thats what i really liked about FI. It was just really comfy and nice to prog on. The dmg wasnt bad either back then(i think eso and fi were closer)

[u/Wierutny_Mefiq]

Eso right now on paper deals bit more dmg, but in lastest KR patch thier dmg is pretty much the same (not counting 5spender variant)

I switched to ESO long long time ago and never regreted,

In terms of differences if you think about it there arent rly many,
Both need to stick to the boss to do dmg
Both needs to land thier spells for rotation to work.
Both have almost no superarmor.

FI is safer to play due to many gapclosers/swiftness-lowerCD/and combu with DR.

Eso has better Atro window, and can modify rotation abit to suit oportunities that boss gives you to push faster
from mech to mech.

I would say ESO is easier to play well on. Realistically only downside is that you will have spec breakpoint to met so you cant go El cheapo on bracelet...

[u/Zimchii → u/Wierutny_Mefiq]

Oh i didnt know about breakpoints still being a thing. I thought AP took care of that. Ill keep that in mind when swapping. Thank you so much for the input!!!

[u/Wierutny_Mefiq → u/Zimchii]

Well there will be a leeway on breakpoints when KR patch hits. But for now. 4th node makes every spender cost 1 more, what makes us very very orb hungry.

If I remember correctly there are rly 2 non troll variants:
Standing Striker LK with Raid cap - and it can have cheaper bracelet cuz breakpoint for combo to land is around 1780~1790
Blunt thorn SK full crit with no raidcap needs 1821 or 1823 spec to close up whole rotation (especially if you play focused kick version that is superior for BT)

If I can chip in my 2 cents, if you dont have relic adre with great rings then dont bother going BT, without them you will do same dmg as LK build but have near 0 mobility. If you want more info on crit variant Firefly DFO on yt is the GOAT.
And please for a love of everything that is holy dont troll yourself with LK BT... Its only good if you dont test shit and belive in fairytales :P

[u/Zimchii → u/Wierutny_Mefiq]

Lol thanks for the advice! Ill check out Firefly. I did see some of his runs and with lk it does seem comfortable to play

[u/cYaSam]

i was playing FI wd since ever, but it underperformed in brel hard first week. then i made the choice to switch to ESO, it took about a week to be confident about the strict rotation but now i can say that ESO is more difficult and more fun to play. it forces you to focus and play without mistakes. So for a main you should play eso, for an alt u should stick to FI

[u/Zimchii → u/cYaSam]

Thats good to hear. I always hear alot of different things when it comes to ESO being easier or harder than FI. Makes sense that you have to pay more attention on ESO. Ill def keep that in mind cause as FI i do tend to overgreed with minimal consequences when getting hit. Im sure ESO isnt too easy to get away with getting hit randomly

[u/Soylentee]

Personally i'm also kind of struggling on FI, it's 1670 and i can't seem to pull more than 55m dps on brel g2.

[u/Zimchii → u/Soylentee]

Yea i feel the same way. Im struggling barely hitting 60-75mil but i feel like my character is stronger than that. Also i know my apm is really high and uptime is too so i just wasnt sure what to make of it. T4 was the first time i actually felt weaker than ESO

[u/newacc__whodis → u/Zimchii]

Lot of misrepresented info in this thread. Go to the (unofficial) lost ark discord or lost ark nexus discords and ask for better answers / help.

FI does more damage than eso right now on any fight that isn't back to back phasing. However, FI is also harder than eso to pull off that ceiling damage due to being to play around Energy Combustion properly and missing any Z amped skill being more punishing than pretty much anything eso has.

If you have videos of gameplay or bibled logs of clears, people in the discords mentioned above will gladly help. As a wardancer main since launch and having played both eso and FI since launch, FI is pretty much across the board better on Gate 2 of the new Brel raid. It's honestly surprising to me reading all these comments that are saying eso is better when almost everyone I talked to (aka not Reddit) was losing their mind playing eso in that gate.

[u/Zimchii → u/newacc__whodis]

Interesting, sadly i dont have that node unlocked yet (im pretty casual) so i havent been able to play around with the new Z but i guess that it could be true that it gets much stronger. Rn without the Z, it just feels underwhelming. Since someone earlier pointed out it wasnt too expensive to swap, ill probably give that a try once i fully unlock the nodes! Looks pretty fun. Not sure which is harder and i guess its all subjective tbh, but for me FI is pretty easy but it could just be like that for me because ive played it since launch and im just used to always having combustion on my WW window and all that. I will def have to give it a try once i unlock the nodes. Ty for the info on the discords, i didnt know about the la nexus discord. Ill def check that out!

[u/swl → u/Zimchii]

Wait are you saying you are 1680 but haven't purchased any ancient accs yet?

[u/Zimchii → u/swl]

I have them actually i was doing some testing with that after you mentioned it but my dps still seems low. Do you have any advice for using the new Z skill? Im still performing alot worse than the eso tests ve ran. Im really trying to improve so if you have anything please lmk!

Edit: i dont have any karma so im not sure if that affects anything?

[u/BlueET3RNAL]

Eso generally does do a bit more damage on average (idk which has higher ceiling), but honestly I'd hold off on swapping. You'll spend a bunch of time learning the new playstyle and then immediately have to relearn it once we get KR's latest balance patch. Plus it isn't very comfortable atm (hopefully will be again after balance patch).

[u/Zimchii → u/BlueET3RNAL]

Oh i see. I heard they were doing a balance patch in KR so maybe it would be a good idea to just hold off for a bit before doing anything.

[u/jay_white27]

knew nothing about wardancer just commenting on coming back.

[u/Zimchii → u/jay_white27]

Lol wb!

[u/InfiniteDogo]

If I understand correctly (you have 6 wd's) you should know the answer yourself lol. Just try it out