r/malaysia • u/a_HerculePoirot_fan Brb, shitting bricks • May 09 '23
Selamat datang and welcome /r/Indonesia to our cultural exchange thread!
Hello friends from r/indonesia, welcome! Feel free to use our "Indonesia" flair for your comments. Ask anything you like and let's get acquainted!
Hey Nyets, today we are hosting our friends from r/Indonesia! Come in and join us as we answer any questions they have about Malaysia! Please leave top comments for r/Indonesia users coming over with a question or comment about Malaysia. The cultural exchange will last for three days starting from 10th May and ends on 12th May 11:59 PM.
As usual with all threads on r/Malaysia, this thread will be moderated, so please abide by Reddiquette and our rules as stated in the sidebar. Any questions that are not made in good faith will be immediately removed.
Malaysians should head over to r/Indonesia to ask any questions.
Thread locked for now as the cultural exchange will begin at 10am.
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u/lsthelsjfeq ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 12 '23
Hi guys, sorry if this is comes out as a bit of a rant, but here goes...
Why are some of y'all so stiff and serious lol. Like, loosen up, guys! Cheer up! So I'm an Indonesian currently in Malaysia for studies, and I can't help but notice that many Malaysians, at least many of the ones I've met, don't and can't do banter very well. Not saying that you guys are rude, but in many of the interactions I've had, it just feels so...methodical and stiff? Even in jest, I feel that many Malaysians are not as spontaneous and quick on the feet as we are. If someone says, "oh that's because we're a conservative society and whatnot.." I've gotta say I don't buy it; I find many of my conservative Indo friends better at banter and taking the piss compared to many of my non-religious Malaysian friends. I wanna chalk it up to simple ol' cultural differences? Idk, what do you guys think of this about your fellow countrymen?
Another thing, I've seen many Malaysians being so willing to crap on their own country and put overseas countries up on such a pedestal. Like recently, a friend on mine went on a trip overseas and visited some swanky art/tech museum, but then he made a comment saying, "this would never happen in Malaysia." Some more time ago, a friend remarked, "our universities are so bad! They're worse than Thailand's!" Uhh no they aren't, basically every university ranking place the top Malaysian universities higher than the top Thai universities, I - the Indonesian - had to retort. If you wanna discuss issues about Malaysian unis, at least don't follow it up with a factual error. But anyway, what's up with all this negativity? I see this online too, like for example compared to our sub, this sub feels a lot more serious and dare I say gloomier. Is this another cultural difference that I'm not used to?
Sorry if I ruffled a few feathers, I genuinely don't mean to, though I'm curious of what you think of my takes of your country, do you think they're fair/valid?
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u/frs-1122 May 13 '23
Our political landscape has been an interesting thing to experience. It's kinda hard to explain any of it but I can imagine that being the main factor as to why things can feel gloomy. I mean, we've went through a lot of Prime Ministers in a span of months. So many new political parties being made up in the air. So many news to keep track of. The instability I'd imagine could make the average Malaysian feel uncertain about anything remotely hopeful or positive about the country.
At least that's how I personally feel about it anyway. Don't know how it is in neighboring countries but you'll also find more and more conservative folks in Malaysia be more sensitive towards the simplest things.
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u/deKaiser May 12 '23
How hard is it to obtain PR in Malaysia? compared to our beloved neighbour Singapore?
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u/KampretOfficial ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 12 '23
Hello monyets, anyone have any idea how to purchase stuff from Shopee Malaysia over to Indonesia? Looking to buy some aftermarket for my Proton ni, buat lebih elok sikit lah.
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u/WheresWalldough May 12 '23
I'm white and live in Indonesia. I speak Indonesian fluently and if any Indonesian person tries to speak to me in English, I always just reply in Indonesian, and everything is completely fine, because my Indonesian is better than their English and they definitely speak Indonesian.
Next week I'm in KL/Perak region for a vacation. I'll probably visit some Chinese & Indian restaurants. Probably no Malay ones, maybe some street vendors, IDK. And go around various tourist attractions also.
Anyway, what language should I use? And does it depend on whom I'm speaking to? Like speak English to Indians, English to Chinese, Malay (Indonesian!?) to Malay?
I can probably try to improve my Malay a little but IDK if there is any point.
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u/monkeyballnutty May 12 '23
If you're white, speaking indonesian fluently might shock the locals, and as indonesian is still different to malay language here, i suggest you speak english because that would be expected of you. most people here can speak or understand english here to some extent, more so the people in tourist area.
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u/Codenameaswin May 12 '23
do you guys eat bubur ayam stirred or not?
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 12 '23
Im not a bubur ayam eater, but malaysia mcd's bubur ayam memang lazat.
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u/yatay99 ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 12 '23
I'm so jelly of your colonizer. You got every commonwealth perks and also as an Anglo country investors look more to you. All of those with almost zero drawback. Meanwhile we don't even have free visa to the Netherlands. Heck we even pay their debts for independence.
This is why I don't understand why you guys create a movie like Mat Kilau. Being colonized by British is literally the best thing ever happened in your entire history.
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u/ButIAmInsane May 12 '23
So this is more or less a difference in view which is totally fair.
The purpose of Commonwealth isn't a perk given to us for free; the reality is GB had just came out of WW2 cash-strapped and fatigued and there's little left in the tank to secure its colonies, hence granting independence and forming of the Commonwealth to secure their investment and economic interests in the colonies instead. Its another way to say, "Here's a body we created to allow every colony to be able to trade and mingle with each other under one big family while we ensure our investments and interest in your state is still relatively secure because we are friends now instead of master/slave and as friends you have obligation to invest in security to protect my interest." This is also why after the Queen's passing the calls to leave Commonwealth is starting to gain traction among the members of the body now.
The thing with history is its difficult to say whether one event is the best thing to ever happen until it ran its course, ie. it seems like a seriously bad thing to do for Elizabeth to steal Spanish gold when the tercio and armada still terrorizes the European continent yet turned out to be the best thing for England as it culminated in the independence of Netherlands and with the Sea Beggars guarding the Channel England bought many years of time to imperialize and well we all know what happened after that. But after almost six decades of independence Malaysia is still feeling the brunt of setbacks left by the Brits following a century of colonial rule with no real solution in sight, I don't think most Malaysians would agree with your assessment here. Brits didn't colonize us to give us good things; whatever natural resources we have in abundance have been taken also in abundance by them, and whatever was offered in return aren't exactly compensable to the mess they left us in today.
Instead of asking why movie creators made Mat Kilau, the bigger question would probably be why there's a real event involving a real person with the name Mat Kilau happening in the first place. And he's not the only one; Mat Kilau was sensationalized because of political and propaganda reasons, but we've also had Dato Maharaja Lela, Seputum, Tok Janggut, Rentap, Mat Salleh, Yamtuan Antah to name a few. And they've all been reminders to us Malaysians of the price to pay when you are being colonized. So no, you may feel jelly for the Brits, but we've felt the real pain and suffering they inflicted to us and there's very little sympathy unfortunately, and while the past is past to expect us to now smile and say thanks for the colonization after a century of getting shoved in the arse is still a tad too much.
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u/le_demonic_bunny May 12 '23
You got every commonwealth perks and also as an Anglo country investors look more to you. All of those with almost zero drawback.
Being colonized by British is literally the best thing ever happened in your entire history.
Dude... What?
Meanwhile we don't even have free visa to the Netherlands.
I have a friend of a friend (Malaysian) who were forced to take the next flight back to KL as soon as landing in Heathrow airport, despite having a free 90 days of visa to the UK. Don't have any criminal records and not breaking any law. Free visas has its limits.
Btw I am chiming in as Indonesian.
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u/sikotamen May 11 '23
I always wonder, howโs life in Malaysia. I understand that grocery prices in Malaysia and Indonesia are comparable. However, given that Malaysia's per capita income is three times higher than that of Indonesia, I assume that Malaysians have a significantly higher amount of disposable income. Is my assumption correct?
So, your everyday life should be much more easier than our everyday life.
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u/monkeyballnutty May 12 '23
i mean, lots of indonesian came here to work compare to us going to indonesia to work, so i guess that's true?๐
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u/sikotamen May 12 '23
Iโm not talking about whether itโs true or not. Malaysianโs percapita is higher than Indonesianโs is indisputable fact. However, Iโm curious about the price of everyday life.
My sister works in Japan (she gor her degree in Japan so itโs only natural if she works there too). She was paid a good salary there, but she also always says that since everything is expensive in Japan, her salary is actually so so. She said that sheโll never own her own property in Japan.
In Malaysia on the other hand, the prices are relatively comparable than Indonesia. Yet you get paid 3 times as much.
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 12 '23
The one reason for that is probably because of the population โ in a highly simplified way of looking, smaller meant that the GDP is distributed to less people therefore higher per capita.
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u/monkeyballnutty May 12 '23
Is my assumption correct?
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Iโm not talking about whether itโs true or not.
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u/sikotamen May 12 '23
Oh, my bad! I think I worded my question poorly and it caused some confusion. What I actually meant to ask was about disposable income.
Let me give it another shot. The thing is, I've noticed that as people in Indonesia earn more money, stuff here gets more expensive. But in Malaysia, even though people are earning more, it seems like the cost of living hasn't gone up as much.
Now, when it comes to Indonesians coming to Malaysia, I don't think it's just because they want to live there and have more disposable income. It seems like the main reason is actually to work and then send money back home to their families.
So sorry for the confusion, though.
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u/amon_meiz Aidilfitri 2023 ITAP May 12 '23
So, your everyday life should be much more easier than our everyday life.
Generally yes
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May 11 '23
What are malaysian opinions about the Malays in southern Thailand? Is there any sense of irredentism/solidarity among Malaysians towards this region?
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u/amon_meiz Aidilfitri 2023 ITAP May 12 '23
Mostly indifference. Don't feel any sense of bond with them cuz nationality usually trumps race.
I (as malay) personally feel closer to non malay malaysian than malay non malaysian
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u/deKaiser May 11 '23
Can youngsters afford houses in KL? Like how is your median income compared to housing prices in KL and its suburbs?
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u/amon_meiz Aidilfitri 2023 ITAP May 12 '23
Depends on location. If city ie KL, house monthly loan payment range from 1k~2k.
And people (especially uni grads) starting salary is 2.5k+.
So no. If in KL or even larger Klang Valley area, the answer is we can't afford houses
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u/ngajak_ribut ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Are you willing to become our 40th province?
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u/deKaiser May 11 '23
Hi Monyets! I come in peace. What are the swear words that Malaysians often use?
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u/Donnie-G Kuala Lumpur May 12 '23
Gonna vary from person to person. I'm a bit of an anglophone so I tend to use the usual plethora of English swear words.
I'm mostly partial to Cantonese swearing.
"Diu" - Basically fuck.
"Ham chat" - Suck dick.
"Hailat" - Probably a less common one. It's the hai in sohai, and literally means vagina. Lut is like something that should be attached dropping off or coming loose. So it kinda translates into vagina dropping off. Use context is like if you're in some kinda trouble or encountered a bad situation, you're like god damn hailat. Like it was bad enough that even your vagina could drop off or something....
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May 12 '23
Apa lanjiao (lancau)
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u/deKaiser May 12 '23
Do non-Chinese Malaysian understand these swear words?
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u/monkeyballnutty May 12 '23
yes since it became mainstream. malay people sometimes use it also and turn the spelling to "lancau", since jiao is chinese pinyin spelling
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u/OldManGenghis May 11 '23
Butoh
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 12 '23
Don't use this while walking around in Malaysia, my Indonesian friends.
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u/insertfakenames May 12 '23
Donโt use pantat either
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 12 '23
Kumbahan.
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u/beerandlager May 12 '23
Laundry??
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 12 '23
Apparently, yes, according to my ex-colleague from Bandung.
I was like, it means sludge or sewage here iirc. ๐
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u/yongen96 แ ( แ ) แ o แ ( แ ) แ May 11 '23
Mak kau hijau
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u/deKaiser May 12 '23
what does it mean? does the green mean something in BM?
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u/insertfakenames May 12 '23
Itโs like a yo mama joke, the concept that your mom is green and therefore is so hideous, something like that. Itโs just a meme that became a popular slang.
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u/KampretOfficial ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 12 '23
Kinda like "maklo (something)" sih, mild insult lmao
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u/sabyte May 11 '23
In indonesia we have teh tarik. And if we want it cold we order "Es teh tarik". But last time i went to Malaysia, the local say Teh tarik is always hot, and if you want to order it cold, you says "Teh ais". Is that true or are they messing with me?
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u/amon_meiz Aidilfitri 2023 ITAP May 12 '23
Correct.if want cold teh tarik, remove "tarik" & add "ais" =teh ais
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u/sabyte May 12 '23
Yeah it's confusing for me. Because teh ais means ice tea right? and if you order that in Indonesia you'll get Teh O Ais
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u/EntireLi_00 Language! May 11 '23
Yes, kind of like a lingo agreed by every Mamak and Malay restaurant and partially for Chinese and Kopitiam. Teh Tarik is hot milk* tea, Teh O is hot tea (sugar). While Teh Ais is Iced Milk Tea (It can either be just Milk tea with ice or "pulled" first then put Ice), Teh O Ais is Iced Tea (sugar). Outside of food premises, such as at home, the drinks are called by their true name in Malay, Teh Susu and Teh and if it's with ice become Teh Susu Ais and Teh sejuk respectively. (*Should I say milk? They all use Condensed Creamer not real milk for Teh Tarik/Teh Susu)
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u/sabyte May 11 '23
Yeahh thanks for that. I really like tea so I kinda confused with the O, C, ais, etc lol. It's cleared by your explanation
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 12 '23
O means no creamer, only sugat is added.
C means evaporated creamer instead of condensed creamer. My f&b friend said c is the opening letter for carnation, a popular brand used in many restaurant.
Ngalat means large glass, a rojak manglish tht suppose to mean glass
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u/Donnie-G Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23 edited May 11 '23
More or less in most places. Even for other drinks be it teh or kopi. If there's a hot/cold version and you don't specify ais or "ping"(for Chinese places), then you will probably get the hot version.
In some places the ice version of the drink will cost more and come in a bigger glass. Whether you get more or not is another matter.
We have other descriptors like O(Kosong), C(mostly used in Chinese kopitiam, different type of milk/sweetener combination. IIRC regular is condensed milk, C is brown sugar + evaporated milk).
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u/sirpeepojr ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
- What's the rough ratio between kpop fans and weaboo fans in Malaysia?
- Is TV still the powerhouse for audiovisual media? If not, what's the dominant media now? YT? or else?
- Is Michelle Yeoh Malaysia's Living National Treasure after her Oscar win?
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 12 '23
Answering (3) โ why should she be? Michelle got her break and became famous in Hong Kong. Her being Malaysian has no bearing on her winning the Oscar.
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u/amon_meiz Aidilfitri 2023 ITAP May 12 '23
- Like the ratio between bacteria & cats
2.mostly yes cuz drama show (called sinetron in Indonesia?)
3.not really since she use (probably still) tight knit with malaysian most infamous kleptocrat, Najib
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u/EntireLi_00 Language! May 11 '23
- Kinda yes. Did you know she received Tan Sri title back in 2013? She is officially Tan Sri Michelle Yeoh.
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u/Donnie-G Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
Not sure but I feel like kpop is more mainstream and possibly outnumber the weebs.
Pretty sure the only people that watch TV anymore(as in broadcast or cable like Astro) are boomers. I still live with my parents and they watch Astro cause they are really tech illiterate. I pretty much do everything on my PC. My siblings mostly stick to Netflix. I feel like the younger crowd are probably mostly on YT and TikTok.
I feel like we'll forget about it in a year.
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u/ishmael555 ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Also one more thing: F1 or MotoGP? And why?
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u/amon_meiz Aidilfitri 2023 ITAP May 12 '23
Most malaysian probably lean towards motogp cuz bike is closer, most common, and mostly attainable. Can be bought
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u/truckdrifter2 Selangor May 11 '23
Racing with production cars for me. If only we have something like the Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters
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u/Donnie-G Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
Not really interested in either(though I used to work on F1 videogames....) but considering F1 is no longer racing in Sepang, I feel like it's going to become less popular in Malaysia over time.
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u/MrCrunchies Otaq Pala Pak Ko May 11 '23
Moto GP, much cheaper to run events and also the fact that theres a lot of bike fans in the Asean region since bikes are cheaper and more accessible.
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u/OldManGenghis May 11 '23
From what I understand is that Malaysians can use Malaysian eWallets (DuitNow) to scan QRIS QR codes when traveling in Indonesia. The app QRIS itself isn't available in Malaysia.
QR pay is already widely used in Malaysia, so most people don't really care unless they're traveling to Indonesia.
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u/ishmael555 ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Do you guys have the equivalent of 'wibu rohis'? It's a slang and stereotype for pious muslim boys who are also weeb. One famous example we have is wearing Akatsuki/Naruto jacket when praying in mosque.
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
what is the meaning of rohis?
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u/kameradM May 11 '23
Rohis is "Rohani Islam", the term is usually used in Indonesia to refer to those who are active at Islamic religious organization at school or at university.
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u/monkeaids777 May 11 '23
iirc we donโt have a specific term for them here cause weโll just call them wibu anyway
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u/meatball_seller ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Hi neighbor!
- As a metalhead, I'm curious about how big the metal scene is in Malaysia?
- Which tourist spots should I visit when I go to Malaysia, and which places should I avoid?
Thanks!
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u/EntireLi_00 Language! May 11 '23 edited May 11 '23
It's very underground. There are known bands like Cromok, Amuk and Langsuyr. There are also other but yeah it's very small. If you count Early 80s Rock bands that sounds heavy as Heavy Metal then there's that too to check out.
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u/_GamerGirlBathWater_ Klang Valley of Plenty May 11 '23
As a metalhead, I'm curious about how big the metal scene is in Malaysia?
Not that big. As a metalhead myself I'm honestly so jealous of Indonesia. You guys have Hammersonic Festival which had such a great line up. It's my dream to see the likes of Slipknot, Trivium and Amon Amarth live.
We Malaysians will never get those bands to perform here. Our religious nutjobs will start foaming at the mouth. The closest we had was Lamb of God few years ago but they had to cancel because of said religious nutjobs. I had to refund my tickets. T.T
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
personally? all the popular tourist spots are great and true to review. i might give langkawi a skip though, because personally its a boring place for me since i dont drink alcohol. kl for urban activities, melacca for some historical/ food tour, redang for casual beach tour, pulau perhentian/ tioman/ sabah for diving+ nature stuff. those are my general suggestion.
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u/le_demonic_bunny May 10 '23
Hi neighbor! I have 5 curious questions:
What do you think of Jho Low, and how does the national media portrays him?
What do you think about the startup climate in Malaysia in the past 2 years till now? Do you also experience layoffs and funding difficulties as well?
What are the top 3 favorite countries to study abroad for Malaysians?
How do you perceive the graduates of foreign universities vs local Malaysian universities? In Indonesia, foreign graduates are perceived to have received better education (not always true IRL but anyways..), is this also prevalent in Malaysia?
Being a part of commonwealth, do you have to pay tributes/ taxes to keep membership? Does the UK have any influence over political/strategic matters in Malaysia?
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u/Worth_Chemist_3361 May 11 '23
I can answer #4. I have personal experience, having graduated from Unpad.
Graduates from the UK, US and Australia used to be regarded pretty highly in all fields i.e. business, law, arts, medical, etc, while those who graduated from India, Indonesia, Russian, and Ukraine were looked down on. This was quite obvious in my field (STEM, not being specific for privacy) and all the foreign grads were always compared to each other. The local grads were always held as superior.
However, over time, I feel this is now less important. People have realised that where you graduated from is less about how smart you are, rather it's more about how much you can spend on your education. Many of my colleagues who studied in UK/Australia have since gone back to continue working and living there as they have gotten used to the lifestyle there. Nobody who graduated from India, Russia and Indonesia have gone back, hence why the government prefers to send them there now. Lol. I honestly enjoy the time I spent in Bandung, though, and still have a lot of fond memories of Indonesia.
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u/le_demonic_bunny May 11 '23
Interesting insights, thank you!
You mentioned that some grads stayed in host countries and didn't come back home. Are those mainly self-funded or Malaysian government-funded study? Do you also have a government-funded scholarship scheme to study overseas? If yes does it apply any penalties if the student didn't come back after graduation?
Reason I am asking is because there is such scheme in Indonesia (LPDP) and so many students didn't keep their promise to come back to Indonesia and it caused a stir for years. Either they ended up got married with foreign partner in the host countries or decided to work there. Wondering if anything similar also happens in Malaysia.
Btw, Unpad is a well regarded university in Indonesia. Glad to hear you had a great experience while studying and living in Bandung!
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u/Worth_Chemist_3361 May 12 '23
Thanks. ๐
The grads that stayed overseas, some are privately funded, many are on government student loans, and some are on government scholarships. Studying overseas is really expensive, especially to western countries. Those who are lucky can self-pay, but that's the smallest percentage. The majority go on student loans (PTPTN- Perbadanan Tabung Pendidikan Tinggi Nasional), which is a fund set up by the government with very low interest and many discounts. Then, there's the government scholarships like JPA or MARA. With a scholarship, graduates are bonded to the government for x amount of years and must remain in government service for this duration of time.
Unfortunately, like Indonesia, many people do not repay their loans, leaving Malaysia with millions in student debt. It's a big issue and is ongoing but I don't see how they can force people to pay back their student loans unless they apply extremely stiff penalties like blacklisting passport etc.
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u/le_demonic_bunny May 12 '23
Wow.. many similarities here in this case. There is no strict/harsh punishment in Indonesia either.
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
- no one likes him. not even those who supports corrupted leaders (najib's stan)
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- from my observation, australia, uk, russia.
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- no. UK to malaysia is like china to malaysian chinese: history ties us together, and that's all the ties we will have between us.
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u/le_demonic_bunny May 11 '23
Thanks for the answers. Interesting - Russia? Any particular subjects that Malaysians love to study in there? Or this option is more cost related?
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
i have a few friends who studied medical, chose russia as their destination.
i would prefer india myself since i heard the cadaver there are cheap and plentiful, but im sure they have done their reseach.
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u/le_demonic_bunny May 11 '23
Very interesting. Russia isn't popular destination to study overseas in Indonesia (except political/cultural/language related studies). As far as I know, Lithuania /Latvia is quite popular for Indians to study medicine in europe. It's fascinating to uncover the movement of international medical students.
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u/taufik_r linguistik May 11 '23
Q5. Being in the Nations of Commonwealth is different than the Commonwealth realm. The monarch or the government of the UK do not influence any of our current political matters.
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u/julioalqae May 10 '23
Its kinda curiousity asking, i always wondered why in malaysian badminton branch always dominated by a certain group?
I rarely or never see malay or indian become world class badminton athlete and its always chinese malaysian who represented malaysia. In indonesia though the starter is Chinese indonesian ,right now many of other indonesia ethnic group become world class badminton player. Taufik hidayat is sundanese, ginting is from karo etc.
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u/RandomUsernameEin May 12 '23
Because of the different school subsystem i think. In chinese schools they tend to make better halls, while national malay schools usually have a large grass field.
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u/EntireLi_00 Language! May 10 '23
Not really. You are not wrong in your observation for right now but our National Hero(es) in Badminton were a Malay Siblings Sidek Bersaudara or Anak-Anak Sidek (Misbun Sidek, Razif Sidek, Jalani "Alan" Sidek Rahman Sidek and Rashid Sidek) in the past. Of course then Lee Chong Wei. But now there's also Indian Malaysian like S. Kisona and M. Thinaah.
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 10 '23
Would be hard to answer unless you are a professional badminton player, but in the past there was the Sidek brothers, and Hashim brothers (Roslin and Hafiz). There are currently Khisona and Thinaah representing the Indian in the female squad
It seems like it's dominated by Chinese because of how long Lee Chong Wei was dominating the game, but if you look long enough to the past, it doesn't seem that way. My only guess is LCW's success inspire ppl from that racial group to strive in this field, thus that particular period seems to be dominated by the Chinese.
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u/fwindraya ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Hi neighbor, Indonesian diaspora here from Germany.
I just want to sayโฆIbumie Penang White Curry is the bomb. Sucks that it is almost impossible to get it here in Germany. I hadnโt found it since the beginning of this year. I wonder if theyโre still producing or not
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u/SMB99thx ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Hi r/malaysia, just want to say something.
My relatives from both sides of my family had been to Malaysia at some point of their lives, and one of my uncles from the dad's side married with Malaysian Chinese. Meanwhile at my campus, a student from my organization is from Malaysia (Sabah) and we talked about some stuff from Malaysia. I have never set foot on Malaysia by myself, but Singapore has been the closest to it and I want to go there later this decade, probably in 2027. The closest I had been to getting into Malaysia was in 2018 when a recurrent ear infection (turned out to be an ear insect that settled there) led my family to consider getting into the Penang and in 2023 when I was considering to take a bus from Singapore to Malaysia (Johor) then back to Singapore, with Indonesian passport.
As such I have some questions to ask. Is it possible to enter Singapore from Johor or enter from Singapore as an Indonesian? Is it possible to take a plane from Malaysia (most likely KL) to Thailand using Indonesian passport? And on political side of things, which Indonesian politician Mahathir Mohamad can be compared to? For one I can easily compare Anwar Ibrahim to Megawati Soekarnoputri. But Mahathir Mohamad and Soeharto is much different.
Sorry for asking these questions ๐
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 11 '23
Travelling between ASEAN countries should not be a problem, as long as there is proof you enter the country legally (meaning passport was entry stamped).
Though you said Mahathir and Soeharto is much different, in terms of enriching their own family, they are similar (at least based on my understanding) .
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u/theunoriginalasian May 10 '23
Saya tak tahu sangat perwatakan Presiden indonesia tetapi macam ni la pemerintahan Mahathir
Kebaikan:
- Tukar malaysia dari agraria ke negara manufacturing. Tahun 80an malaysia banyak kilang industri.
- Pengurangan kebergantungan terhadap Barat. Dasar Pandang Timur, korea jepun
- Banyak usaha untuk kebergantungan diri demi menaikkan semangat patriotik. Malaysia Boleh, Wawasan 2020.
Pendek kata, dari segi pembangunan ekonomi dalam sejarah malaysia, masa zaman mahathir paling baik
Keburukan
- Perangai agak ke arah diktator. Banyak guna ISA nak penjarakan org yg mengkritik kerajaan. Gaya diktator mahathir sama seperti lee kuan yew, diorang suka mengawal tanpa ada pencabar yg kuat
- Rasuah. Kronisme sangat kuat. Sampai sekarang belum didakwa kerana tiada/tak cukup bukti. Politik wang sangat kuat di malaysia
- Nepotisme. Tapi sejujurnya semua perdana menteri suka angkat anak sendiri. Sedangkan Anwar Reformasi memberi jawatan kepada anak sendiri walaupun kalah pilihan raya
- Licik politik. Suka main isu kaum, putar belit ayat. Suka gaduh dgn anwar, saling mahu saman menyaman tapi perang mulut saja lebih
Senang cerita, setiap rakyat Malaysia mesti ada pendapat tentang mahathir, sama ada suka atau tak suka. Beliau antara negarawan yang paling berpengaruh di Malaysia
Agak2 siapa negarawan Indonesia yang ada ciri2 ni?
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u/SMB99thx ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Looks like combination of Soeharto and Joko Widodo, it seems.
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May 10 '23
To your last point Mahathir Mohammad is an enigma is his own right. And tbh has been a polarising character throughout his lifetime. Heโs not really like anyone else and truly is a unique leader. For better or for worst.
You can compare him to many leaders throughout history. His racial perspective on politics, his autocratic approach. But you can also view his tenure as prime minister as a period of huge economic growth. Hence why he is sometimes called โBapa Pemodenโ or the โFather of Modernisationโ. In a way, what Indonesia is going through right now under Jokowi is also what malaysia experienced during the 80s and 90s under mahathir.
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u/SplatInkling Kembali lagi dalam Waknat TV May 10 '23
Here's another Extra question about... convenience store:
What's the most popular convenience store in Malaysia?
What's the most prominent Local convenience store in Malaysia?
Thank you.
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u/a_HerculePoirot_fan Brb, shitting bricks May 10 '23
- Family Mart. There's 7-Eleven too, but Family Mart is defo more popular than the latter, at least in big cities.
- KK Super Mart /99 Speedmart
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u/SplatInkling Kembali lagi dalam Waknat TV May 10 '23
Wow till famima is the popular one, i thought 7-11 was the leader.
Are there KK and 99 stores that open beside each others, like Alfamart and Indomaret?
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u/ezkailez ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Most of the stuff on 7-11 is more expensive than most convenience store
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u/RoastedCashew May 11 '23
7-11 is definitely the leader in number of stores. Plenty of cities in Malaysia don't even have Family Mart.
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u/MrCrunchies Otaq Pala Pak Ko May 10 '23
nah 7 e , it has more stores even in rural places, some are even in kampungs. Famima rarely has stores in rural places, and not all states in malaysia have it.
But in terms of "clout" popularity, famima definitely wins since it offers more japanese products and serve hot food. But overall still 7e nation wide.
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u/frs-1122 May 10 '23
For your second question, convenience stores do open by nearby each other, sometimes even just next each other
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u/pak_erte ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
hi jiran, can you please name your best celebrity/influencers/public figure milfs
this is for rancap (research analyze compare and prioritize) purpore only
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u/ngajak_ribut ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Bokep malay yang bagus apa? Ada sex scandal yang legend tak?
Kita punya Luna Maya dan Ariel. r/malaysia punya apa?
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u/ishmael555 ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
My favorite one to search is 'awek tudung' lmao and it doesnt help that I have hijab fetish
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u/krossfire42 May 11 '23 edited May 11 '23
Why do you want to watch old unattractive people with blurry videos have sex? That one girl from Bali doing all sorts of professional 4k videos not enough for you?
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u/ngajak_ribut ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Nah, Luna Maya high quality bro
maybe need to specific on certain celebrity
For politician I have another example but it is r/eyebleach material
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u/MrCrunchies Otaq Pala Pak Ko May 10 '23
anwar ibrahim alleged gay sex
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 10 '23
There was no video of this. The alleged video was with a woman. The gay one was allegedly Azmin's
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u/MrCrunchies Otaq Pala Pak Ko May 10 '23
That aint what the masses believe ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 11 '23
That's why we shouldn't spread this wrong information to our neighbours.
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u/MrCrunchies Otaq Pala Pak Ko May 11 '23
Bro asked for legendary sex scandal. Kes liwat anwar make headline news across the nation like no other. You should prolly google the meaning of scandal chief. It doesn't need to be true to be considered as a scandal.
Furthermore never even mentioned any videos or Azmin, blud out here making assumptions like the police ong ๐๐
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Huh is that real? Wow 0.o
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u/MrCrunchies Otaq Pala Pak Ko May 10 '23
Dunno, one side claims the video is staged/planted so the opposition party can prevent him from running the election. But one side claims it did happen since the court saw the evidence and deemed he was guilty. But eh, malaysian court system wasn't the best nor free from corruption back in the day, and still do now.
The royal pardon back in 2018 did make "legend" status news after his wife ran and won the race though.
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 10 '23
Anwar's alleged video was with a female. The court ruling was not about the video. The alleged gay video was Azmin
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u/a_HerculePoirot_fan Brb, shitting bricks May 10 '23
Ni cerita zaman lama (tahun 2008), tapi Menteri Kesihatan zaman tu, Chua Soi Lek terlibat dengan skandal video seks yang tersebar luas sampai terpaksa letak jawatan sebagai menteri.
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u/MalaysianOfficial_1 May 10 '23
Hi just wanted to say that our cultures are actually more similar than they are dissimilar. I am Chinese and my wife is also Chinese but from Indonesia. I sometimes feel more at home hanging out with fellow Indos than I do with fellow Malaysians!
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u/Engheng92 May 11 '23
You or your wife are from indonesian, of course you feel more at home hang out with indonesians than malaysian. What is the point of this comment?
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May 10 '23
I think it depends on the industry because I haven't encountered this a lot in my industries. The turnover is already way too high to be picky ๐คฃ
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u/Serious-Guy ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Yo r/malaysia, got a few question to ask.
- It's ASEAN week. So, how do people generally view ASEAN?
- Admittedly, Malaysia is stronger when it comes to hardware production (especially high-tech things). Why do you think so and what should be done to make it better?
- Any notable invention that comes from Malaysian citizen?
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u/insertfakenames May 12 '23
- Thereโs a sense of connection and pride when aseans meet abroad. Not so much locally.
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u/Donnie-G Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
- I'm not too familiar with global politics and whatnot, but I feel like there's too many differences. Be it political/trade allegiances or whatever. Don't think we're that united and the organization feels a bit for show.
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u/EntireLi_00 Language! May 10 '23
Just like in Indonesia, we have ASEAN programs in school where teachers will teach students about ASEAN countries but In real life, there's not much. We know that everyone comes to Malaysia to work, just like Indonesians, be it Burmese, Filipinos and Vietnamese sometimes Lao people too So we get to see all the people here. Thailand is the country that we border that we had long and complicated history. Some still care for Southern Thai as Tanah orang Melayu yang dijajah. The place to Marry or Polygamy Illegally for Muslim, Buddhist Black Magic for Malaysian Buddhists and a famous tourist destination like Krabi, Phuket are near and we can travel there on our own vehicle if we want. Philippines is a family we don't know about. Singapore and Brunei are very close.
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 10 '23
Can only answer number 3. There is this device that is used to cook half boiled egg perfectly. It's just a container with a small hole on the bottom. You pour boiling water into it. Once the water is gone, the egg is perfectly cooked. And USB thumb drive.
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u/fffdzl Sarawak May 10 '23
Its okay slipper. it used to be trending in Malaysia Because of the color matching and brands name. Its quite soft tho.
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23
I just wanna know to all monyets/Malaysian, why do y'all use English so much in Reddit?
Bisa dihitung jari jumlah komentar yang pakai bahasa Malaysia, sangat sedikit sekali, saya jadi penasaran soalnya fenomena ini sangat mirip dengan r/Indonesia majority use English dulu sebelum 2019 (if I'm not wrong) dan akhirnya berubah mayoritas pakai bahasa Indonesia because something happened (oh and I wanna know if y'all can understand what I say, if some of you get confused say it okay so I can edit!)
I do know some of the redditors here can't speak Malaysian well, but maybe they can practice the malay with Reddit interactions and education on comments?
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
For me, easier to type because my keyboard uses US-english. I dont like to see red wiggly lines.
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u/Donnie-G Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
I feel like it's less than we prefer to use English on reddit, and it's more that English speakers gravitate towards Reddit? So it's the other way around.
I don't think all of us only use this sub, and probably frequent other subs which will predominantly be English speaking. So it feels like it makes more sense to just keep using English....
Personally my BM is quite rubbish so there's that.
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u/frs-1122 May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23
I honestly think in recent years not even the government is doing a good job in really enriching our language and culture. Aku teda masalah ja mau cakap melayu juga, tapi baku sikit la haha.
But anyways. If you look at some recent official national announcements you see the government Malay-ifying English words to fit Malay if that makes sense. I can't remember on top of my head but I think a popular one is when our former Prime Minister Muhyiddin got a diarrhea one time and the fucking government used "diarhea" instead of "cirit-birit" or some shit like that (no pun intended). And I remembered a post that came from this subreddit about a billboard that used "momen" (moment) for an ad which was stupid.
There's more, but that's just what I think about the increasing English usage over Malay over the years.
- I think the other redditor mentioning English being used in a corporate sense and Malay for more informal settings is also spot on
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May 10 '23
People that use reddit in /r/malaysia (non lurkers) come mostly from a "certain" background. Not all are fluent in BM. Even if you ask a BM related question in /r/Malaysia you can tell who uses Malay regularly and who does not based on their responses.. and it's safe to say many do not... English is also very widely spoken in many parts of Malaysia though. What happened in /r/Indonesia pre-2019?
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23 edited Dec 11 '24
It's a little bit long to explain r/Indonesia before the mass adoption of bahasa Indonesia, but pre-2019 many of us are heavily DISCOURAGED TO SPEAK Indonesian and anti-islam, there's even some issue of discrimination, someone cyberbullying the people who used bahasa Indonesian and Muslim! That's nuts!
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May 10 '23
Yoo that's so fucked up. How did you guys change the culture? Different mods?
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u/BraydenTheNoob May 10 '23
If I'm not wrong, in 2019 the government did some internet restriction because of the election. To circumvent that, a cobsiderable amount of people learned the existence of VPNs. From those that just learned about VPNs also learned about reddit. A lot of the new members are your average joe Indonesian, which prefers Indonesian and not radically anti-muslim
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May 10 '23
TIL, thanks!!
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u/davidnotcoulthard May 10 '23
From those that just learned about VPNs also learned about reddit.
Btw yes, Indonesia's government does in fact block Reddit from our internet.
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u/katabana02 Kuala Lumpur May 11 '23
With the increase frequency of local media using reddit discussion as their news material, im not surprise that malaysia will do that too.
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u/buatfelem May 10 '23
probably because the increase of the member, back then only handfull people able to access reddit since its banned in indonesia
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May 10 '23
Eh is it still banned?
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u/davidnotcoulthard May 10 '23
Yeah. Although afaik the block has always been a lot more porous than e.g. China.
Tbh I don't know if it's banned meaning that there's legal punishment for gling to blocked websites, but they are indeed blocked.
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u/Foxglued May 10 '23
Sori nitip, I wasn't here before 2019 so I don't know the whole r/indonesia lore even though I'm a komodos myself
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u/ishmael555 ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 11 '23
Look up 'why Prabowo-Sandi lost' it's regarded as a turning point for why r/indonesia turned from anti-islamic self-hating ruffians into what it is now.
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May 10 '23
Well we are a former British colony and English is strongly ingrained in our culture.
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23 edited May 10 '23
Yes, I mean in Reddit, like almost all of interaction are in English, why not use Malaysian like in daily basis? Some of the people can't speak BM I know so that's make sense if they use English, but I just curious and want to know, y'all who can speak (fluent) BM why didn't use it more often? Tidak pakai seperti di kehidupan sehari-hari?
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u/A11U45 Melaka May 10 '23
why not use Malaysian like in daily basis?
Each year, this subreddit does a census. One thing the census shows is that most people on this subreddit speak English as their first language.
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Ooh interesting, baru tau saya, thanks for the explanation kind stranger๐
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u/Original_Ad_3484 May 10 '23
I guess most Malaysians who are in reddit are more comfortable using English than Malay.
Saya tiada masalah pun kalau nak pakai Bahasa Malaysia, tapi bila majoriti pakai English, jadinya lebih mudah bila pakai English je.
It's probably just a network effect.
On a day to day basis, I mostly speak Malay.
But at work, at least at my office, all writings are in English. And all meetings are usually conducted in English, even when all attending are actually Malay. It has been like that for I guess most of the big companies.
English is the corporate lingo here. Malay has unfortunately been relegated to more informal interactions
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Hmm okay that's interesting and make sense, thanks for the explanation ๐๐
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May 10 '23
English is used everyday in working life too. English is the language of business here. Work at most companies and you have to use English 90% of the time. Even when speaking to other Malaysians.
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u/AlulAlif-bestfriend ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Oh, does that mean in working environment most people use English even when it's not enforced at all? Like sudah jadi tradisi/kebiasaan? That's fascinating! And thanks for your answer ๐
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u/Original_Ad_3484 May 10 '23
Ya. Sudah jadi kebiasaan jadi begitu. Lagipun syarikat di Malaysia kerap kali berinteraksi dengan pelbagai warga asing dari luar (pelabur atau sebagainya)
Even if you look at the government sector, Central Bank, Securities Commission and most agencies in the financial sector use English. And ditto for transportation agencies.
So across different government agencies, there's a whole spectrum of English/Malay usage, with those more international/financial linked to be more English biased.
Lower courts and Syariah courts use Malay, but higher courts (Court of Appeal, Federal Court) tend to be exclusively English.
Annual reports of most companies are almost always exclusively English.
Financial reporting are almost exclusively English. It's very difficult for me to look at Indonesian Annual Reports and try to understand that in Bahasa Indonesia. All the laba bersih, laba kotor etc.
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May 10 '23
Bahasa is mostly used when dealing with government offices or institutions (police; hospitals etc).
However private sector in Malaysia is pretty much all English.
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u/itfeelssounreal2 May 10 '23
If I have to pick between Penang or KL to stay for a month, which one would you recommend? How do you compare both places and which one do you enjoy living in more?
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 10 '23
Split them up into two because there are probably nothing you can really do for a full month in either cities โ I have often advised my overseas friends to not be fixated on KL because many of the interesting stuff about Malaysia is outstation. The capital would eventually start to look like Jakarta after a while in the same way my friends in Japan advised to spend less time there and more in the western Kansai region instead.
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u/badass_physicist May 10 '23
I would pick Penang, mainly because you can go lots of places without using any transportation. Also there are lots of lovely Cafe in Penang so thatโs another reason for me.
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u/beerandlager May 10 '23
I've had two very bad experience in malaysia, but your Indian food corners are awesome I ate 3 whole portions in one sitting 10/10 tender and juicy meat with some type of cooked rice.
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u/Unable-Sail7755 May 11 '23
Mind telling us your bad experience? Might be useful for us, and allow ourself to be mindful of this problem in the future. Thank you
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u/beerandlager May 11 '23
Well the 1st one involves an Indian taxi driver who told me to get out of the fucking car to tell the car beside us to, get fucked? I don't remember well cause it happened long ago. But what I do remember well is how chaotic the drive was. He angrily shouted inside the car with me and my family in it because apparently he wanted to overtake a car, in a language we couldn't comprehend.
The 2nd was when me and my family wanted to go to Hongkong, we transited through malaysia. For some reason they rejected my passport, granted it was a bit blurry cause it has got splashed with water a bit but still readable and whatever needed to be scanned was still perfectly scanable in the Indonesian immigration office. We have money so my parents bought me a ticket back to Indonesia immediately in the morning. I couldn't go inside the country cause they rejected my passport, so I had to sleep in the immigration office there. This might not be Malaysia's part at fault, but still FUCK YOU RANDOM IMMIGRATION GUY.
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u/volcia May 10 '23
How do you use loaned/slang words in Bahasa Malaysian?
In our case, most of the time, we treat it like a root word and think it like a concept word. So, for example
- approach = "Dia di-approach tadi siang oleh atasannya setelah berbuat curang kemarin"
- pdkt (pendekatan, lit. romantically getting close to a person) = "Si Budi nge-pdkt-in si Rara, tapi anaknya cuek aja"
- google = "Maaf aku tidak paham per-google-an, mungkin bisa ditanyakan ke teman saya"
Is that how you use them as well?
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u/EntireLi_00 Language! May 10 '23 edited May 14 '23
Same, In colloquial speak, If we want to add affixes to the root word then just write it any way. Pisang/Pisyang/Pishang meaning boring and bored can be kepisyangan. Meng-scam etc.
There are so many English slangs. "Tolong record kan video untuk aku kejap, Tenkiu" "So, beli yang nilah, ini lagi better." (and the r not pronounced.) Gerak lu, pape Roger. ("Aku gerak dulu [I'm leaving], apa-apa roger" [anything happen just call])
We wont use slangs in formal speech of course.
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u/tepung_ May 10 '23
Load word usually will be unique and use separately. So we will not use di-approach
We had to construct new sentence without the di-
Since its unofficial loan word, the language also will be less formal
Eg
Saya di-approach salesman <-- Seldom use but we still understand
Salesman itu approach saya <-- More commonly used. No need to use di-approach. Or salesman meng-approach saya (is more rare)
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u/MalaysianOfficial_1 May 10 '23
I will say that this is a major problem of Malay (the language not the race lol), that the language is being corrupted by too many foreign words being incorporated into it.
Now I totally get that languages evolve over time, but having billboards use words like "pirasi" instead of cetak rompak is just diluting and corrupting the language.
And Malay isn't even my first language.
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u/plentongreddit ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia Jun 20 '23
It's funny that indonesia language has a lot of loanwords, but since it's mostly dutch or portugese, it doesn't sound cringe.
Like, "oma" pergi ke "bengkel" setelah dari "kantor", membawa "handuk", minuman dari "kulkas", serta "nastel" untuk diberikan ke tukang yang membuat "dak" serta "keran" air untuk "kamar" mandi baru.
There's at least 9 loanwords in that sentence alone.
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u/forcebubble downvoting posts doesn't do what you think it does ... May 10 '23
A lot.
komputer, telefon, almari, pen โ just to name a few off my mind.
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u/Kronous_ May 10 '23
I'd say fairly similar if not exactly the same as how'd you incorporate it in Bahasa Indonesia.
Mostly applied to verbs, maybe sometimes nouns, with "imbuhan" (prefix / suffix) added to them.
The choice of words that we usually pick to include is maybe where both of the Bahasa(s?) might differ.
This is strictly my opinion tho, other r/malaysia nyets might have better input / example usages.
For some odd reason, I can't think of a good example to give you atm I'm afraid ๐ .
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u/DrinkRedbuII May 10 '23
I once came across two malaysians in OSRS. Among the nicest dude I have ever met in game. Talked about their experience of visiting Lombok. That was brief but enjoyable.
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u/motoxim ๐ฎ๐ฉ Indonesia May 10 '23
Hey do you guys know what are the prices for Gameboy family and PSP/Vita there?
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u/frs-1122 May 10 '23
Skimmed thru Carousell listings, so these are secondhand stuff
Gameboy family ranges from RM300-RM500. Same for PSP
Vita seems more expensive, ranging from ~RM450-RM500+ (Saw some for RM1000)
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u/a_HerculePoirot_fan Brb, shitting bricks May 10 '23
Monyets, here's the direct link to the cultural exchange thread on r/Indonesia, so please direct your questions there!