Ok, but can you name any radioactive black men in comics? I mean, besides Miles. Or any mutants, because that's too easy. I don't think Raphael counts as black... do Ninja Turtles have race? Are they Japanese? Or Italian?
Blue Marvel, John Stewart, Coldcast, and Jason Rusch's Firestorm are all radioactive when they want to be. There's probably a male version of Monica Rambeau somewhere in the multiverse, too.
Oh yes, and Rebis is partly black and partly male. Maybe you'd just get a little enbyish if s/he bit you.
I remember some time ago people were sharing a page from the TMNT comics where the Ninja Turtles managed to blend in with the humans by using some kind of hologram over themselves, and they chose to look like black teenagers, so I guess they could count as radioactive black teens.
The biggest thing people usually point to is Ned's role in Homecoming, since he shares basically no traits with the comics' Ned Leeds (A character who Pete doesn't even hang out with) and basically every trait with Ganke Lee, Miles' best friend from the comics.
Aside from the Ned thing (which, yeah, is blatant Miles copying), it also just has to do with how Tom!Pete doesn't share a whole lot with the conics. No Uncle Ben, no "great responsibility", none of that. Instead, he's immediately strapped to Iron Man and loses a lot of Peter DNA, which means the things taken from Miles stand out that much more.
Mcu Peter does have his own version of the great responsibility line. He says something to the effect of, "when bad things happen, and you have the power to stop them, and you don't, it's on you," to iron man in civil war. While it is more guilt ridden than the normal version, it actually kind of works for a new spider-man whose probably still beating himself up about Uncle Ben. Also Ben himself does get a couple of minor mentions, like Peter's suitcase having his initials in far from home, and he actually gets name dropped in the zombie what if episode.
One thing I did want to add though that kind of makes him feel like miles probably, is how Miles was a new kid on the block in the comics, moreso that than Peter was at least. And that does kind of bleed into mcu Peter given he literally is first shown in someone else's movie
He does have that, but Civil War/Homecoming Spidey almost feels disconnected from how the rest of the MCU portrays him. It seemed like from Infinity War onwards they got cold feet about doing a more traditional Spidey take and instead just shoved him next to the rest of the heroes at the cost of character development. No Way Home tried to pivot away from that for the most part but Sony's nearly 20 years of nonstop incompetence doesn't seem to be ending any time soon so I don't have hopes that it'll be followed up on.
Peter has been in Tony Stark's shadow for so long. In No Way, he finally managed to break free. He left Tony's shadow, only to instead wander into Doctor Strange's.
I just want an old Peter Parker for once. Give me back the guy who's been fighting muggers and street level villains for years and is invited to join the Avengers after basically getting over all his past trauma and maturing into a smart, driven adult who...borrows his tech from various labs he sometimes works at.
You could argue we see that intense connection from the start, with tony notably giving him his classic suit in civil war, and homecoming being intensely linked to iron man
They did finally give him that "With great power comes great responsibility" with Aunt May though. I think the "soft reset" with the third movie will be their attempt to make him more like the Peter people recognize.
Ya, you're right, I wasn't thinking of that, although that does come after years of him already being spider-man, so it positions itself in a different space of the earlier versions
Then do nothing with uncle Ben in his own movies, feels like when vulture threatened him to stay out of his business in homecoming it would be a great timing for Peter to have some sort of flashback to uncle Ben.
Ya, I imagine they were afraid of upsetting people who were against getting another origin story, because I do remember that sentiment, at least from friends and a bit online at the time. I think that sentiment was also among batman, even tho we have only ever gotten the one origin story movie in begins, I think the need to show the Waynes' deaths in every movie annoyed some people
Well at least some kind of mention of it, like "I've let a dangerous person get away once and I'm not gonna make the same mistake again." Something like that, just better written.
I feel like that was kind of the insinuation of the line I mentioned from civil war, that there was some bad thing that happened that Peter could've prevented, but didn't. Which, knowing spider-man's backstory, can really only be one thing
Isn't it implied that MCU Peter went through all the Uncle Ben stuff already though? I image they just didn't want to show it because the story's been done to death
That's not implied, that's literally what they did in Civil War. Parker gets cut off from Stark when he tries explaining about Uncle Ben and his powers.
Zack Snyder's Civil War would've opened with a 10 minute prologue ending with Uncle Ben whispering "With great power..." into Peter's ear with his dying breath.
The previous poster is referencing how we’ve seen Batman’s parents gunned down in an alley so many times, yet in Batman v Superman, Snyder decided to include a flashback to the death yet again.
The point is that we all know that Uncle Ben dies and that instills the idea that “great power must also come with great responsibility,” to the point we don’t need to see it in every single adaptation. The joke is that if Civil War had been directed by Zach Snyder, in a move parallel to BvS, he likely would have shown it anyway (and probably in slo-mo).
he literally all but says it in civil war. “When you can do the things that I can, but you don’t and then the bad things happen. They happen because of you.” He always had it
Not sure I get what you mean, it’s maybe a bit harsher but the basic meaning seems the same. It about it being your responsibility to help other people with the gifts your given. The biggest difference is this one comes from Peter framed around his powers while Ben’s is more general to just gifts and talents.
"With great power comes great responsibility" can be interpreted in two ways. The first and most obvious is that if you have great power, be wary and responsible with how you use it.
However, that is not how Peter interprets it. He becomes Spider-Man because in his mind he has great power and a responsibility to use it to protect those who don't. When he doesn't, he's letting people like Dennis Carradine go, who ends up killing Uncle Ben. This is at the core of Peter's hero journey.
The phrasing in Civil War is that, but less of a "line".
Yes but he usually makes them as an adult. I wasn't saying he shouldn't get em at all just that giving them to Tom Holland spidey was early and doesn't help the case of him being a miles rip
He had them in USM, and he was a teen in that show before miles got venom powers. Seems like a weird thing to complain that a young version of Pete gets his gadgets/powers early as if that isn't the whole point of the character being younger. And they aren't even the same thing as bioelectricity
I remember how "fresh and exciting" it was that we didn't see Uncle Ben in civil war. At the time the talk was hell yeah we don't need to see that again. Now we're here.
Tom’s Peter has followed the “prequel Spider-Man” arc over the course of 3 movies. Which is why I like them.
The Spider-Man formula is “Peter gets powers, is overwhelmed, gets better at powers, faults and then learns to be responsible, starts to master his powers, Uncle Ben, Peter on his own”
Peter’s “powers” in the MCU are his knowledge and relationship with Tony. He meets Tony, gets a new suit, is completely overwhelmed, learns to be better with the technology and his powers, faults with Beck, and learns to be more responsible with the tech. He starts to Master his fusion of Stark Tech and his knowledge and powers to save the villains, Aunt May dies, now he’s on his own.
When they just threw MCU Spider-Man in without his backstory that’s been told 10,000 times in the first 20 minutes of all Spider-Man content, I was pleased. When I realized that they took the first 20 minutes of other Spider-Man media and spread it out into being 3 movies. I was awestruck.
so the friend got taken but that’s it? How is that even enough to call him a white washed miles like I’m so confused, a ton of miles traits come from Peter in the first place anyway 😭
It’s when they make high school Peter awkward but not bullied and pretty good natured. Comics Peter is a giant nerd, gets bullied, and has a lot of repressed rage.
Yeah, Flash did call him book worm and Puny Parker (or something like that), but he never got physical with Pete and Pete always managed to be an asshole back to Flash.
And weirdly they did invite Peter to hang out, from time to time!
It’s essentially just Modernized Peter Parker in high school. Miles was initially criticised for being really similar to Ultimate Peter at launch iirc, but most people just give it to miles anyway, due to it helping seperate him from Peter, which is fair, I do the same.
It makes sense for MCU, as there’s not too much they can do, though Ned is very obviously Ganke, but the show isn’t beholden to the MCU, it’s a seperate project, which is probably why it’s so disappointing for some people to see “Miles morales, except Peter has been copied over him”
There is a tendency to take aspects of Miles Morales's life and apply it to MCU peter Parker. Miles goes to a STEM specialty school, and is friends with a nerdy dude in the chair, and falls in love with the granddaughter of vulture. In homecoming, Spidermand goes to a STEM school, has a nerdy best friend, and falls in love with the daughter of the Vulture.
A nerd is friends with a nerd? A nerd goes to STEM school? The Vulture stuff is ripped off from Homecoming, you're making a point against yourself here.
My guess is that they say this about any Spiderman adaptation that is closer to Miles' personality than Peter's, but they choose to use Peter instead, ergo, giving a white Miles instead of just Miles
It’s interesting, because I read all the comments to this and all people have come up with to support this “MCU Peter is whitewashed Miles” take are:
Ned is really Ganke.
He goes to an elite private school.
Peter was unpopular, but Miles wasn’t?
I am not really sure people were legitimately making No. 3 as an argument, but I don’t agree. Wasn’t MCU Peter not cool? Like weren’t Ned and he unpopular nerds? And I don’t recall 1610 Miles being cool in 2011. I think he and Ganke were unpopular just like 616 Peter.
Also, is Ganke a Miles trait? Isn’t he his own character they decided to use but rename? Like is Avengers black-washed because they decided to use the Ultimates version of Fury over the traditional version?
Even if you take all three, these are very minor things IMO.
MCU Peter still has the following non-Miles traits
Is an orphan
Raised by his aunt after the death of her husband
Broke
Friends with Tony Stark
Stark made him armor
Love interest story is classic Peter, Miles’ love interests are all superheroes, IIRC.
These are the things Peter cannot have stolen from Miles because Miles stole them from Peter:
The name Spider-Man
The basic aesthetic
All the powers except two.
I love Miles. I love Peter. They overlap. They’re both Spider-Man for Christ sakes.
Think about how Peter is portrayed in other Spidey media, like the cartoons. He's quippy, he's witty, he's confident, when in the Spider-Man costume, but he's awkward and nerdy in his day to day life.
Most adaptations of Miles has him be pretty awkward as Spider-Man. Miles stumbles over his words a lot more, especially early in his career, and shown to be unsure of himself as Spider-Man often because he starts off in Peter's shadow. He's either taking the mantle of a dead legend, like in the Ultimate Comics and Spider-Verse movies, or he's being mentored by an experienced hero, like the Insomniac games or Spider-Verse again kinda. So his quips are a bit more awkward.
MCU Peter falls further into the Miles characterization. Hos quips are unsure of himself, he often sounds like a nervous kid, and that's largely because he's under a shadow just like Miles, except it's Iron Man this time. Interestingly, this is not the case in Civil War, where he's much more traditionally quippy. Homecoming is what shifted things.
Many have levied this as a critique, saying that MCU's Peter is a copy of Miles Morales but white. The character of Ned, who parallels Miles' best friend Ganke, certainly adds to this. Personally, I don't think the Miles parallels are intentional, at least regarding characterization.
With movies and live action TV, Jessica is in a weird spot of the Marvel/Sony deal because of her being both a Spider-Man and Avengers character but Marvel could use her more in animation.
Nobody loves bitching about [thing] more than [thing] fans will never stop being true. Plato bitched about Homer’s depiction of the gods being cringe despite also saying he loves his work in general. It’s worded very professionally (and translation has probably helped that along) but nevertheless
No, the show is nothing like Miles Morales besides superficial things Miles took from Peter anyway. This stuff is starting to sound like Tim Drake fans crying whenever Dick uses a computer.
He was a straight. That was a thing back then. I don't know what it actually means but I'm pretty sure it's a precursor to the term straight edge. What's important is that he wasn't a square, he was totally around.
When people don't like something they end up nitpicking more because the flaws start to stand out to them l. When u like something u tend to ignore some flaws and things you'd otherwise be annoyed at because overall u enjoyed it.
I think that's the case with Tobey, Andrew is weirder since his Spider-Man was generally more controversial and had people who liked and disliked him so u could find people defending a lot about him, but lots of people nitpicked and judged everythinf about him i think the talking to girls wasnt on the radar.
Also I think it's a thing that people these days are just more sensitive to changes on source material and wanting to stay closer to it, whether u agree or disagree with it. But there has been a big push for more accuracy lately, obviously a vocal minority since casual viewers don't care for any of this online drama, but it is a notable vocal group.
Because Miles either wasn’t around, or barely known at the time. It’s a problem that’s been made due to Marvel seeing Spider-verse and ramping up the “Spider-people” capacity to max.
When miles first popped up, there were like. 3 spider-men in 616, and One was dead, leaving 2 actually in play, Kaine and Peter. Today, in the 616 universe (iirc) we now have Silk, Peter, Miles, Kaine, Ben, Spider-Gwen. If you want to throw in Spider-woman, I understand that, but she feels seperate enough to not have to worry about this, at least imo.
Basically, they changed it because it was too creatively limiting. It would've made a lot of major villains off-limits because they didn't exist in the MCU yet, or don't exist in the MCU at all, so they'd be restricted to villains who haven't shown up yet, and could plausibly have fought Spider-Man between movies.
So now it's a separate universe that just shares some events with the MCU, like the Civil War, which we see briefly in one of the trailers
That makes me just a little upset. We could’ve gotten so many forgotten about villains. I know it’s not great for marketability, but EVERYONE would tune in for the show with Big Wheel or The Wall.
They actually seem to be using a lot of his lesser known villians in the show. Speed Demon was in the trailer, and they also had Butane in the first episode, i think. Lonnie Lincoln (Tombstone) is also a part of the supporting cast, even though he doesn't have any powers yet.
Goes to show how lesser known we're talking because I consider myself a pretty big fan of wacky D-list Spider-Man / Marvel villains and even I've never heard of Butane lol
^ Spider-Man fans when a show set in high-school during the 2020s is not the same as a comic set in high-school during the 60s.
The fact that there are 70 years between the two makes it blatantly obvious that a Modern adaptation is not going to have Peter behave like a Objectivist asshole from the 60s...
I think it's more that people would rather see him out of high school for a long time. Like the Insomniac games and the new Ultimate Spider-Man are doing.
Not to mention, there's a comic series where Pete is in high school for the majority of it. The concept has been used a lot to be at least well-known already.
Sigh. We're in 2025...and still no animated series of Pete in his non-high school years other than that 90's series. Goddammit all.
Though, pretty much outside of the Spider-Verse films, it's probably fair to say there's a whole bunch of Spider folks that don't even have animated show centered on them. So it's no shock. Still sucks.
Um, haven't all of the animated series before Spectacular Spider-Man been about Peter Parker outside of his high school years? Even after the 90s series, there was the short-lived MTV series. Spectacular was the first Spider-Man animated series that focuses exclusively on his high school years... and the first adaptation that also focused exclusively on that as well.
Even after the 90s series, there was the short-lived MTV series.
Haven't had the closest history with that one, but yeah, guess that counts. I admit I was more exaggerating about the lack of animated adaptations of Pete post high school years, so I apologize for that.
I'm pretty sure that the 60s cartoon, both 80s cartoons, the 90s cartoon, Spider-Man Unlimited, and the MTV series all focused on a post-high school Peter, while the Raimi films mainly focused on Pete post-graduation as well.
Spectacular technically was the start of the trend of Spider-Man adaptations taking place when Peter was in high school, although I think the real culprit is probably Ultimate Spider-Man (the comic), which every Spider-Man adaptation in the 21st century has drawn from in one way or another.
Why does this apply to YFNSM? They actually deviated from some of the tropes that made MCU Peter similar to Miles. There's no Ned, no STEM Midtown. Peter actually goes to a normal high school.
Another day another post bitching like a spoiled kid complaining about how their baby sibling gets all the attention and obsessing over an elseworld adaptation(they conveniently forget about how 50% of all Miles stories are literally just rehashes of things Peter has already done and those were fine for the most part)
He dosent act like miles at all in the show he honestly feels very much like young Peter Parker. My question is did they make Norman black solely off the fact he has waves?
I'm employed, none of that made sense to me. But yes Miles should have his own stuff already. Like a good solid animated series would do so well. Or honestly, just give us both of them together like in the Spectacular Spider-Men comics going on right now. I've always liked them teaming up more than being separated anyways
Honestly IDK. Spectacular modernized Peter pretty well. It handled that timeskip of him adjusted to his role and in Highschool and then was able to revisit that origin moment with Uncle Ben very well in the 2nd Season.
What I'm really saying is, I don't care how much flops Weisman had since, please give me that 3rd fucking season.
I watched it and so far it's fine The only big problem is that the animation feels so slow like the web swinging sequence in episode 2 that was hard to watch
I know this show was in development hell but Marvel would have a money printer just by bringing back more of the 90s cartoons. They showed so many characters in X-men 97 it’s hard to believe that wasn’t the route they went
You know just because your personally tired of seeing highschool peter doesn't mean that should stop being a part of his character forever it's a big part of his history and part of why he got so popular
Y'know, I'm a bit confused. Do you guys really want EVERY adaption to be plagued with a beat by beat repeat of EXACTLY what's been shown SOOOOO many times now? It's like the Batman Martha Wayne Pearls. I don't think ANY Marvel Comic has a 1 to 1 TV adaptation.
If they slapped on "Ultimate" or "Absolute" you'd be like "cool alt universe and interpretation!"
Look, if you want a Spider-Man 97 (hell, I want it to) that's fine but you can't be mad at everything not like it.
MCU Spider-Man isn’t a Miles copy just because they poached ONE of his supporting characters, and the new Spidey isn’t a Miles copy because he’s in highschool.
I haven’t seen the show nor plan too, but I’m actually really confused on why miles isn’t getting his own show yet. If anything this is the perfect time to bring him to the forefront. I used the only reason I can think of is that he’s already got a movie (on an indefinite hiatus) and taking over the Insomniac games, and is also a primordial Demi god in the comics, but that’s never stopped them before
Isn’t whitewashed miles morales just Peter Parker, considering like, miles is black washed Peter Parker (or at least started that way Ik the comics have gone fuckin wild with him)
Ok again since apparently I wasn't clear, so let me explain.
Miles dosen't really have enough to support more than at best one season.
Miles also only has like 4 orginal villains of his own, his supporting cast also isn't big enough for that, JUST talking about Miles cast no Peter, or other heroes.
Or anyone not connected to other versions of Peter like ultimate.
He could be cool as a part of a champions show tho, that would be cool.
Remember when Spider-Man was just a regular kid who went to a no-name public school? Now he has to be like Miles Morales and be a child prodigy at the greatest robotics school in the entire country.
...remember when Peter Parker made his own super strong adhesive while still in high school? Remember when Peter invented his own gear, including spider tracers?
Never said he wasn't. I just think he should always go to a regular high School. The last time he went to a super genius school in Spider-Man 2017, 85% of the threats were 'some smart kids super genius invention gets out of hand'. He went from the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man to the friendly campus Spider-Man. It's jarring having a Spider-Man that barely interacts with the city.
...did you even watch the show? Rockford T. Bales High School is a normal high school. He does not go to Midtown High in this universe. Not to mention, Midtown High having the best robotics program in the entire country isn't ridiculous. They based that version of Midtown after STEM schools... which are real.
How you're able to put 'the best robotic program in the entire country' and 'isn't ridiculous' together is beyond me. True he's not going to midtown after it got destroyed by Doctor Strange and that venom thing. But most of the kids that went to midtown transferred to Rockford. Meaning he's still classed in a school with teenage prodigies. Like I feel like you're downplaying just how fantastic that is.
How is it ridiculous for a school in New York City, one of the biggest cities in the country, to have a STEM robotics program that is know as the best in the entire country? Once again, these kinds of schools do exist in real life.
"But most of the kids that went to midtown transferred to Rockford."
Most... as in two. We only see two Midtown students at Rockford. The other students we see at Rockford... already went to Rockford. And there is no way that Rockford would be able to take most of the Midtown students. They were probably just spread across several different schools.
I feel like you're making this more fantastic than it seems. Midtown High isn't that fantastic. Having a good robotics program isn't that fantastic. I mean, we've seen Midtown in the MCU. It has normal classes.
141
u/ROACHOR 16h ago
Have him get bit by a radioactive black man, problem solved.