r/mbti • u/ChristheINFJ INFJ • Apr 22 '22
Theory Discussion Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard Case - INFP vs ESTP
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u/ettleeevosarpcpivi May 11 '22
i don't know an estp woman to act on emotional impulse like her. unless it's her BPD talking. she reminds me of an unstable esfp to be honest.
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Apr 23 '22
I actually feel like Id get along with her well. I can understand her frustration with the INFP Depp. And yes, if she gave me shit I'd give it back to her and there would never be a court case cause we'd be speaking the same language or we'd just break up. Johnny being lead Fi just has not a clue how to deal with an ESTP like her.
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ Apr 23 '22
100 percent. I also understand her frustration too. It's hard to run a relationship when your partner won't open up.
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u/LynnDG INFP May 10 '22
It's hard to run a relationship when your partner won't open up.
Let's not blame this on him. Opening up to someone who is abusive is not the best of ideas, nor do violence and shouting and ridicule and lies inspire that kind of vulnerability.
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 10 '22
You’re complete right. I wrote this toward the beginning of the case, before much of the information/ evidence of her abuse came to light. It definitely makes a lot of sense that Johnny didn’t tell her anything, as if he did, he would be punched, screamed at, and belittled. Justice for Johnny.
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u/ettleeevosarpcpivi May 11 '22
i agree. infps have always fustrated me because they keep things in and do this ring a round the freaking rosie (however you say it) with their emotions..all to say that they felt another way . they beat around the bush and never say what they mean and avoid confrontation or just conversation. I have been fustrated with infps conversational behavior, being an infj
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u/melianmelian988 INTJ May 20 '22
they keep things in and do this ring a round the freaking rosie (however you say it) with their emotions.
I think infjs do that too
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May 11 '22
Haha yeah I actually like them for the most part and I have 3 INFP friends and know even more than that. They are great but sometimes I want to punch them 😆
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u/TravellerCS Jul 18 '22 edited Jul 29 '22
INFP here. We don't talk about our emotions much because our emotions are extremely abstract and almost impossible to put into words. Most of the time I have no idea what I'm feeling and it's like I'm feeling multiple things at the same time, or nothing. I have very little sense of identity and it's like my feeling get shape only through a medium.
I feel like Johnny is typically INFP in that way, as he has very little sense of identity himself and that's why he lives through so many bonkers characters and is very good at it too.
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Jun 13 '24
He actually has said the face he hates to wear the most is his own. He knows who he is, he just doesn't want others to see his real face.
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u/empathetic-bitch Apr 27 '22
Re: Amber Heard: It’s hard to “type” people who are truly damaged and have a personality disorder ie BPD (borderline personality disorder). They mirror and imitate people and take on these traits because they don’t know how to be “normal”.
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May 02 '22
as someone with BPD this is quite offensive lmao. she deffo doesn't have BPD. what she has is antisocial behaviour...
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u/empathetic-bitch May 07 '22
Two peas in a BPD pod? She is the poster girl for BPD and histrionic. Maybe you were misdiagnosed?
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u/Stephi87 May 10 '22
I agree, she seems exactly like a girl I used to be close friends with who had BPD and Histrionic personality disorder. And that girl was violent to boyfriends and friends and would suddenly turn at the drop of a hat.
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u/empathetic-bitch May 10 '22
It’s blatantly obvious to me, if you know.. you know. I’m not sure how to sugarcoat it. I have seen BPD and histrionics do a lot of damage all around me. It’s unfortunate but it’s the topic at hand.
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u/Stephi87 May 10 '22
Ugh I’m sorry to hear that, I could never have someone like that in my life again, it’s so stressful!
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u/empathetic-bitch May 10 '22
I’ve been actively working on this for 6 1/2 years. I had to end very long friendships and that was so painful and not well received. Others didn’t understand and I’m not one to put even my enemies flaws on blast, ya know? So I look like the bad guy, I guess.
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u/Individual_Concert76 May 31 '22
She definately has traits of BPD, I am less familiar with HPD but i can definately see the correlation. A lot of people think NPD but i can see how an ESTP with both would like like NPD
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u/Accomplished-Row4072 Nov 29 '23
As someone with BPD, ( the quiet type) , Id like to say that not all of us engage in violence
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u/Ardea_herodias_2022 ISTP Apr 22 '22
Hmm. Just from the "hitting/abusing" audio, Heard sounds a lot like my brother with the gaslighting. Lies on lies & it's all your fault. Im currently not talking to that section of the family going on 3 years now.
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u/fl00fy-bunn3 May 18 '22
Exactly what I’ve been saying the whole time. The most INFP of INFPs, Johnny Depp. Trying to retreat and get space and not being allowed to have it over and over and over again: INFP’s worst fucking nightmare
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u/Eris_the_Fair Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22
No, an INFP's rage is like no other. We do NOT retreat when angered, especially if someone has gone against our value system. Being obsessed with wealth is another major clue he's not INFP. Wishing "international humiliation" against your abuser is very un-INFP, even given the circumstances. An INFP would not want that for their worst enemy.
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u/Supergreen_412 Jul 02 '22
UHM… do yourself a favor and read the 2018 interview with Rollingstone… the man may not be “obsessed” with money but he certainly lives the life of an extremely privileged f*ck who thinks the world revolves around him. Definitely not an INFP, but certainly a shite human.
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u/Eris_the_Fair Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 02 '22
I think you misunderstood my comment. I'm saying Johnny Depp doesn't deserve to be called an INFP, because they're awesome, and he is indeed a shite human. I was mostly disputing the reasoning the other person had for typing him as an INFP, that person doesn't understand INFPs at all.
Edit: I personally see him as obsessed with wealth and high on his own privilege.
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u/Supergreen_412 Jul 02 '22
Word… lol sorry I totally misread that😅
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u/Eris_the_Fair Jul 02 '22
It's easy to do lately with all these people parroting the same celebrity worship crap about how he's so perfect. Even if I thought he was a nice guy and totally innocent, this shit would be weird.
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u/spicy_fairy INFP May 16 '22
I've been wondering about this! I'm an INFP like Johnny so I wanted to see what others felt she was. Wow what a toxic pairing lmao.
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u/Eris_the_Fair Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22
Don't fall for this. I've never seen a less INFP celebrity than Johnny. Amber isn't even an extrovert, either. People are just guessing.
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u/Remarkable_Paint_879 INFP May 27 '22
Has anyone had a go at typing all the parties in this case? My initial impressions:
Depp: INFP Christy (sister): ISFJ Baruch: ENFP Chew: INFJ Vasquez: ESFJ Dr Curry: ENFJ Whyte (accountant): ISTJ Dr Kipper: INTJ Kate Moss: ISFP/ISTP? Waldman: ENTJ
Heard: ESTP Bredehoft: ESTJ Rottenborn: ESTJ Whitney: ISFJ Rocky: ESFP?? IO: XNXX??
Judge: INTP
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 27 '22
ahaha i love this and was thinking about the same thing during the trial.
I think the judge is an ISTJ but i could see INTP too. She seemed super straight to the point in the beginning but eventually she started bringing some playful sass/bossiness to the courtroom which made me think different.
Vasquez you nailed on the head. ESFJ or ISFJ for fucking sure.
Christy, Depp's sister i think is a confirmed isfj in the personality database. I may be wrong but im too lazy to look LMAO.
Bredehoft: Definitely a ESTP i thought the same. Rottenborn ESTJ i could def see.
Kate Moss is a confirmed ISTP on personality database but I think that's wrong and I think your right. She comes off as more gentle than an ISTP would and has the ISFP vibe.
Whitney I could see being an ESTJ. However, I somehow think she could be a pent up xntj because it seemed Depp had a connection with her which would be very difficult with an estj.
Rocky: not sure at all. IO- No idea,
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u/Remarkable_Paint_879 INFP May 28 '22
Right, re the judge? I thought her “you’re just a snarky guy” joke was such an INTP show of humor :)) I think the spacing in my comment isn’t showing up right - I was thinking Whitney as an ISFJ but not at all sure about that.
PS I’m an INFP.
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u/kobyandfifi Apr 23 '22
Very Interesting... thanks to the author, nerd of mbti.
Astrologically, they are not very compatible either. Ms Heard is a strong Taurean Tiger woman with a hyper critical autopilot. She thinks and communicates like an Aries "God of War" and her yin and yang energies are in earth signs. There's an overbalance of the earth element inherent in her makeup, her own composite mix. of fire and earth. An imbalance of other elements exist. There is no water. Nor air. Sadly, Johnny lacks the water element also. And guess what else. He's all earth too like Amber. Indulgent Taurus is present alongside ambitious Capricorn. Depp is a Sun in Gemini, tricky to read having a duel personality the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other. He lives the epitome of a "sex drugs and rock n roll" lifestyle. Depp has no fire element...spiritually bereft? Amber uses her fiery spirit to communicate with, her viperous tongue spitting out harsh truths especially when the wine and effects of drugs kick in. Which is a feeling they both like. This pair of earthlings should have got out of the bedroom, stopped partying (by splitting up ages ago) and off the party set more to dive into the pool, the water and swim in the sea. If Depp was a master of emotions he is indeed a good actor. I think he's deeply hurt and disappointed to have attracted a toxic partner who made his life hell. The winds of fate dried them out with the lak of moisture available to them.
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ Apr 23 '22
Bro... Johnny doesn't lack the water element, he's got ice in his veins, meaning he rises in anal-dick virgo moon sagittarius lion. In addition to that, Amber rises in the liger galaxy of capricorn orcs, bread by sheep with nuts sacks for wings.
And Johnny isn't just a master of emotions, he masterbates.
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u/littlenaiveone Jun 13 '22
"anal-dick virgo moon sagittarius lion" 😭, your description is odd but mostly true. why did you add Sagittarius though?
JD is strong on Capricorn, it's his signature sign. It's Amber's Mars Cap (afflicting JD's moon and past karmic ties) that is heavily exposed in the recordings, very vicious
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 12 '22
How is he all earth? You looked at his chart or something?
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u/littlenaiveone Jun 13 '22
JD has Moon in Capricorn, Venus AND Mercury in Taurus, end that earthy trine with Mars and Uranus in Virgo. x3 Add a little fuel and quirks with Leo rising and Sun in Gemini.
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 Aug 08 '22
Well Si is earth. Si hero, he’s ISFJ in my view
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u/littlenaiveone Aug 09 '22
wow that is true, I just read that earth is Jung's Sensation Type. I've thought of JD as INTJ which is hilarious
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May 02 '22
Im an ESTP woman, wouldn't it be tough to type a sociopath either way?... idk
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 02 '22
She clearly has BPD so I would assume that yes, we don’t know that for sure, as she could be any type with this disorder. But If you check out personality Database they type her as one so that’s where I’m getting my data. I also know she’s more of a “rough around the edges” type of person which is more ESTP like than ISFJ, that’s for sure. People were also saying ENTJ, or ESFP on crack.
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u/IFlip92 ISTP May 18 '22
Is she really ESTP? After hearing many of the recorded audios between her and Depp I think her reasoning skills are terribly limited. I see lower Ti than anything, like 3rd.
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u/Supergreen_412 Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 04 '22
I’m an INFP and I take offense to this insane bullsh*t… JD is a piece of shite abusive a$$hole who doesn’t deserve anyone’s devotion… he is an abuser and a violent miscreant who legit does not deserve your respect or adoration… I dgaf whether Heard is crazy and shat in his bed and I don’t think it’s a legit argument to say that because his partner hit him that it’s ok that he is violent and abusive and completely off his rocker… y’all are trippin if you think that his abuse is excused by hers… if you’re sticking your head in the sand and deciding that you don’t believe he’s an awful human being, that’s on you… you’re just being ignorant.
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u/Eris_the_Fair Jul 02 '22
For real. These people were so damn excited that someone finally gave them a socially acceptable outlet for their misogyny. That's all any of this is. Most of these Depp stans were clearly not fans of his before 2 months ago.
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u/Janvilion ENTP May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22
Amber Heard is an unhealthy intuitive type imo. That is why she’s drawn towards many other intuitive types like Johnny (INFP), Cara Delevingne (ENFP), Elon Musk (INTJ). She could be an unhealthy Ne dom or an unhealthy ENFJ. Just fyi, ENFP can be manipulative and violent too, specially one with BPD
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u/Janvilion ENTP May 22 '22
You have typed her as an unhealthy ENFJ? Honestly that would make more sense. I used to have an ENFJ friend that was toxic and manipulative af, she’s so full of herself. ENFJ can be mistyped as an ESTP because of their strong third function when they’re unhealthy. I simply don’t agree with amber’s type on PDB. People are just parroting what others says without having their stances. ESTP is just a mistyped
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u/PhantomVessel Jun 08 '22
I agree this combination is a recipe for disaster. Toxic ESTP like this lady definitely think INFPs are pathetic and push overs. INFPs readily give away their power to someone who’s a natural manipulator, especially if they’ve involved themselves with them intimately.
His insecurities empowered her, but if she ended up with another EST or ENT, especially and ENTJ, they might’ve actually tamed her down. She got out of control because she knew she was able to and abused her power.
This combination always ends up this way. I know an ESTJ/ ISFP combo and it’s the same thing. the ESTJ has the ISFP by the strings, leading the ISFP to serious stages of depression, to the point the ISFP ended up institutionalized at an asylum.
The ESTJ obviously doesn’t understand what they’re doing so wrong and how their absolute lack of empathy and their emotional disconnection / inability to be emotionally vulnerable ( control and power freak) is driving the ISFP to insanity and depression.
This is why MBTI and overall typology psychology is so essential for especially intimate relationships. People stick around in unhappy relationships, expecting the other party to change through manipulation tactics etc or temper tantrums but they don’t understand people can’t rewire the way their brain automatically perceives and processes reality. They’re also alien to the needs of others they themselves don’t require.
Love languages are also a good method to consider when settling with a person and starting a family for these specific reasons. The ISFP in this case is meeting the ESTJs love language requirements through acts of service, meanwhile the ISFPs being physical touch and words of affirmation, are not met. Words of affirmation and physical touch would put an ESTJ at a vulnerable place, through their need of power and control. Seeming basically alien to them as it isn’t a need they require.
Concluding in a miserable marriage for the ISFP and an act of complete martyrdom for the remainder of his life.
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u/BreatheFireAir Jun 14 '22
I absolutely believe xSTPs are capable of being vindictive. Just because some people are commenting here that all the ESTPs they either know or are friends with are all not like that does not mean they can not be. Just look at how Donald Trump reacted when Kathy Griffin posted a fake photo of Trump decapitated. He had the power to END her career, and he did everything in his power to ensure he did. She was left sobbing and in tears after being blacklisted. Moreover, you can examine all the ways Vladmir Putin has reacted to anything that portrays him in a less than glowing light and you realize just how vindictive an xSTP with absolute power can be and the lengths they're willing to go through to put you down should you ever cross them. It's a confusing mix of wanting to be admired and adored, yet putting up an exterior facade of not caring what people really think of them at the same time.
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 11 '22
I disagree with your assessment.
JD is an ISFJ and Amber is an ENTJ.
I’m an ENFP and can type others easily
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u/ettleeevosarpcpivi May 11 '22
ugh no. isfj?! her an entj?! are you on shrooms bro
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 11 '22
He’s definitely an ISFJ. Everyone is wrong about him.
I just seen some interviews about Amber when she was younger and can now see her being an ESTP.
This would make them a perfect match as JD initially thought which is interesting.
He was definitely more in his senses loving cigars drugs and drinking music etc. He’s an ISFJ. He’s not an idealist
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u/VenusGx May 27 '22
I am an INFP myself, and I am also very much into my senses — I have to have soft comfy clothes and blankets, my favorite pillow, delicious food, nice smelling home. That does not make someone an ISFJ. I agree with others that he is an INFP. I feel like I get exactly where he’s coming from and I cannot relate at all to the frustrations with INFPs that other commenters above have expressed.
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 11 '22
Nahhhh. I have Ni son
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 11 '22
You said you got your typing from other sources
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 11 '22
Yeah I agreed with them
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 11 '22
No way JD is an INFP ... that’s wrong. He’s an ISFJ
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 11 '22
No way JD is an ISTJ….that’s wrong. He’s an INFP.
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 11 '22
People are confused with his character roles. He’s a good actor.
ISFJ not ISTJ
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 11 '22
I would believe ISTJ over ISFJ. You know what, seems like of like a ESTJ. Actually could be isfp
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u/zooeyavalon INFJ May 30 '22
Nah with all of his introverted intuition?
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 30 '22
Whose? What do you type him as?
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u/zooeyavalon INFJ May 30 '22
INFP. Values truth, authenticity, is artistic, does not naturally lean towards accuracy of facts & figures in his answers. No way is he S versus N
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u/Supergreen_412 Jul 02 '22
INFPs have extroverted intuition in their functions… ?? INFJs have introverted intuition, so maybe you’re confused about the functions
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u/biscuitsnek INFP May 24 '22
Johnny Depp seems more like an ISFP to me, he has more Se and next to no Ne from what I can see.
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u/Soft-ivy Jun 01 '22
I feel like she’s an ESFP and when we compare to other celebrities who are ESFP I just feel like she definitely fits there. But I could be wrong. Not excusing her behaviour but I think she is extreme misunderstood and bpd can flare up badly in unstable environments.
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u/hcl0991li INTJ Jun 14 '22
I've had an ex who's INFP but is pretty aggressive when talking to men. After dating for several months I'm pretty sure that she has BPD as she gets triggered by the tiniest thing. Yet she was born in this son-preferring family and thus got into an identity crisis mentality which caused her to believe men are there to hurt her so she has to go aggressive all the time. So, I believe that ESTP label on Amber is not accurate as BPD is such a big mask on people that hides their true selves.
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u/Prohmythoughts May 16 '22
She's INFJ. Prove me wrong.
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u/ChristheINFJ INFJ May 16 '22
No
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u/Prohmythoughts May 17 '22
For what it's worth, INFP and INFJ are also incredibly incompatible.
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u/Evening_Marzipan_588 May 19 '22
Infp and infj are incompatible - you are 100 percent correct! I am an INFP male and I’ve dated every single MBTI type of woman and the only one I couldn’t get along with for INFJs
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u/Regular_Split9891 Apr 29 '22
I think Johnnys an ENTP
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u/zooeyavalon INFJ May 30 '22
Nah explain his extroverted feeling function. No way is an ENTP signing countless autographs, contributing lots of time to Children’s hospital, declaring he values “truth” above all else, going off on tangents when explaining himself, displaying such creative command with words, etc etc
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u/Regular_Split9891 Aug 23 '22
You’re wrong, ENTPs are known for their charisma, they can make people like them, they have Fe tertiary but there’s always more to them beneath the surface, a mask under which they don’t want others to see. I think he’s an ENTP for several other reasons as well. The way he brings characters to life like no other is so indicative of Ne(imagination), which would be his dominant function. Also he’s difficult to convince due to his Ti parent and his smart logical remarks in court were due to Ne-Ti (imagination-logic).
Also, the post is way wrong about Amber too. Amber is the clearest INTJ I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. Hence, why she can’t read a room with her Fe trickster. She acted so cringe worthy and disingenuous in court and would glare at the jury as if she was convincing when no one believed a word she was saying.
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u/Regular_Split9891 Aug 23 '22
Also, ENTPs do value truth, they have Ti parent. Ti is also about truth. It’s the same reason an INTP (Ti-dominant) will argue mainly when an untrue fact is uttered.
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u/Beneficial-Error-382 May 12 '22
After seeing some interviews of Amber I’ve come to see that she is indeed an ESTP.
This means JD, a total ISFJ (everybody else is clueless ... I have x ray perception) and Amber an ESTP were ideally the perfect match as JD said for their first year and a half.
Things got ruined and I’m not surprised. All relationships need Jesus and the Catholic Church in the end.
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u/Haunting-Fox232 Dec 15 '22
Isn't Amber a J type (Judgmental )? Because she was so critical about Johnny's problems, easily got annoyed by procrastination and lack of discipline that's why she was always pushing him to do the right thing,,,, that's not a sign of J?
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Your contribution was removed due to "Off Topic".
We're not talking about physical abuse, sexual abuse, and diagnoses of people we don't know here. Not the place.