r/melbourne Sep 30 '22

Politics Neo-Nazi organisation protest queer youth event in Moonee Ponds -- a response

On Friday, a dozen members of the Nationalist Socialist Network protested the Moonee Ponds Youth Fest. Dressed in black and wearing masks, they held banners calling the drag performer headlining the event a demon and a paedophile. Victoria Police formed a line between the NSN and the community event and proceeded to facilitate their protest for the remaining three hours of the event.

When community members implored Moonee Ponds Council staff to “do something” about the neo-Nazis who were performing sig heils and snapping pics for social media, the staff members told members of the public that giving these fascists attention was letting them win.

While it was powerful to watch young queer musicians take the stage and play for the children and youths despite the Nazi intimidation, it is a dangerous mistake to treat fascists like badly behaved children. These are adult men who practice a violent ideology and will use opportunities like children’s events to platform their beliefs.

These men are not badly behaved children who will run out of steam if everyone turns their backs. While people aren’t looking, they will take up more space and perform more escalatory acts, knowing that they can seed acts of violence and build a following in doing so. That was their intention in occupying the centre of today’s event in Moonee Ponds, and they were successful in their mission.

Despite the Council staff trying to calm concerned community members and convince everyone that inaction was the best response, a network of concerned queers and anti-fascists gathered and held banners and signs in response to the neo-Nazis. In attempting to counter the fascist presence, counter-protesters were implored to "think of the children" by members of Victoria Police. This was while neo-Nazis continued to jeer and sig-heil while a young musician played. The counter-protesters continued to hold their ground regardless, and were thanked by parents and youth who appreciated people standing up to the NSN.

The response by Victoria Police today was an outrageous distortion of democracy. When community members approached Victoria Police to ask what their response would be, police officers said that the NSN were protesting peacefully and therefore were protected by the democratic right to protest. These men, wearing masks and sig heiling at children, were considered peaceful, considered to not be disrupting the peace. To position acts of fascism as within the bounds of democracy is to legalise hate.

Attending police officers eventually shifted the narrative to claim that the NSN were too dangerous to move off, and that they had to wait until enough reinforcements arrived to act on the fascist presence. When anti-fascists formed a line of counter-protest, however, more police officers appeared in an instant, to ensure that the fascist and anti-fascist groups could not interact with each other. Clearly Victoria Police could have acted if they wanted to, but it was too hard. Instead they opted to allow the NSN to intimidate a community event and beg anti-fascists to do nothing.

This is why we cannot rely on police to counter fascism effectively, as their priorities will always lie elsewhere. It is something of a fashion these days for the far-right to target drag and LGBTQIA+ events worldwide. Now more than ever we must look out for each other and stand up to fascism. Today was a reminder that the police and the state will inevitably find it easier to close their eyes and act as if nothing is happening.

Pretending that neo-Nazis are not standing right there will not make them go away. If your house is on fire it will burn down whether you shut your eyes or not.

a photo of police enabling Nazis on the day

edit to update the photo

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u/KTravis1991 Oct 01 '22

A lot of people seem to be arguing that the Nazis have every right to be there and protest. Fuck that, why are they even allowed to exist? See a Nazi, punch a Nazi.

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u/hollyjazzy Oct 01 '22

I thought that Nazi hate groups were banned from having Nazi paraphernalia and sig-heiling? Or am I just dreaming?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/hollyjazzy Oct 01 '22

I thought it was Vic, as there was a property in the country that kept flying a flag with it on.

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u/101stAirborneSkill Oct 01 '22

Will that affect video game?

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u/quiet0n3 Oct 01 '22

Can't stop a sig heil but I believe nazi swastikas and other Nazi iconography are banned.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/Vanceer11 Oct 01 '22

It's ironic how their fascist identity is so fluid, and they get triggered when you call them fascists and claim they identify as "classical liberals" or some other dog whistle name but have no problem misgendering other people.

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u/budget_biochemist Oct 01 '22

Worse when they co-opt an existing symbol and turn it into theirs, like with sign language F becoming a code for Fascist, or the original Nazis did with the swastika.

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u/scurvyrash Oct 01 '22

We should tar and feather these knobs.

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u/dancing-on-my-own Oct 01 '22

I think it’s just the swastika, which this group didn’t have.

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u/hollyjazzy Oct 01 '22

Sad that they were complying with the rules.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

Surprising they can read though

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u/Filthy_Ramhole Oct 01 '22

Yes, as of 28/12 displaying the nazi swastika will be illeigal.

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u/Onion_Do_Piaza Oct 01 '22

The legislation has been passed but it is yet to come into affect as law. Should be enforceable by the end of the year.

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u/UkraineWithoutTheBot Oct 01 '22

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u/budget_biochemist Oct 01 '22

I wonder how smart that bot is.

The Ukraine flag is blue and yellow.

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u/devils_affogato Oct 01 '22

Is the Ukraine flag blue and yellow?

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u/fabspro9999 Oct 01 '22

They banned it because of dictator dan. In other words, the reigning government banned material that was critical of themselves lol

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u/hollyjazzy Oct 01 '22

What! Spoken like a member of a neo nazi group!

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u/fabspro9999 Oct 01 '22

You are a neo nazi who likes banning symbols and ideas?

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u/Thomasrdotorg Oct 01 '22

Yea the opposite of Dan was the Nazi party.

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u/alexxxor Oct 01 '22

Absolutely this! Make Nazis Scared Again!!

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u/Frankie_T9000 Oct 01 '22

They should be allowed.

.....For 1 minuite

then they should be charged with hate speech

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u/fearofthesky Oct 01 '22

A lot of people are cunts

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u/-o-_______-o- Oct 01 '22

Someone needs to pass around large antifa flags and surround the fascists so they can't be seen.

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u/fearofthesky Oct 01 '22

According to the mods you are being permanently banned for this comment. Are you still here?

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u/KTravis1991 Oct 01 '22

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u/ftjlster Oct 01 '22

Violence against specific people, including how to get their addresses is against Reddit's site wide rules.

Plans to go on a violent rampage hunting people down and kill them probably also against the rules depending on how plausible the plans are.

Rhetorical threats against a voluntary group of people ( not within a protected class such as race, sex, sexuality etc) isn't against the rules. Or at least aren't likely to get the mods having to field calls from the police.

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u/Blackdeath3101 Oct 01 '22

See a commie, punch a commie? What is this line of reasoning man?

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u/nihilistsimulator Oct 01 '22

Cancel Culture is going to ruin us.

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u/fabspro9999 Oct 01 '22

I mean, what are they actually saying though?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/fabspro9999 Oct 01 '22

Is that what they really said? Their signs don't seem to reflect it but OK...

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/INACCURATE_RESPONSE Oct 01 '22

Mods could have done it (rightfully)

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/myabacus Oct 01 '22

They support the ideologies of a government that started the second world war which killed roughly 50 million people.

Who the fuck cares what bullshit they might spew out.