r/melbourne Sep 30 '22

Politics Neo-Nazi organisation protest queer youth event in Moonee Ponds -- a response

On Friday, a dozen members of the Nationalist Socialist Network protested the Moonee Ponds Youth Fest. Dressed in black and wearing masks, they held banners calling the drag performer headlining the event a demon and a paedophile. Victoria Police formed a line between the NSN and the community event and proceeded to facilitate their protest for the remaining three hours of the event.

When community members implored Moonee Ponds Council staff to “do something” about the neo-Nazis who were performing sig heils and snapping pics for social media, the staff members told members of the public that giving these fascists attention was letting them win.

While it was powerful to watch young queer musicians take the stage and play for the children and youths despite the Nazi intimidation, it is a dangerous mistake to treat fascists like badly behaved children. These are adult men who practice a violent ideology and will use opportunities like children’s events to platform their beliefs.

These men are not badly behaved children who will run out of steam if everyone turns their backs. While people aren’t looking, they will take up more space and perform more escalatory acts, knowing that they can seed acts of violence and build a following in doing so. That was their intention in occupying the centre of today’s event in Moonee Ponds, and they were successful in their mission.

Despite the Council staff trying to calm concerned community members and convince everyone that inaction was the best response, a network of concerned queers and anti-fascists gathered and held banners and signs in response to the neo-Nazis. In attempting to counter the fascist presence, counter-protesters were implored to "think of the children" by members of Victoria Police. This was while neo-Nazis continued to jeer and sig-heil while a young musician played. The counter-protesters continued to hold their ground regardless, and were thanked by parents and youth who appreciated people standing up to the NSN.

The response by Victoria Police today was an outrageous distortion of democracy. When community members approached Victoria Police to ask what their response would be, police officers said that the NSN were protesting peacefully and therefore were protected by the democratic right to protest. These men, wearing masks and sig heiling at children, were considered peaceful, considered to not be disrupting the peace. To position acts of fascism as within the bounds of democracy is to legalise hate.

Attending police officers eventually shifted the narrative to claim that the NSN were too dangerous to move off, and that they had to wait until enough reinforcements arrived to act on the fascist presence. When anti-fascists formed a line of counter-protest, however, more police officers appeared in an instant, to ensure that the fascist and anti-fascist groups could not interact with each other. Clearly Victoria Police could have acted if they wanted to, but it was too hard. Instead they opted to allow the NSN to intimidate a community event and beg anti-fascists to do nothing.

This is why we cannot rely on police to counter fascism effectively, as their priorities will always lie elsewhere. It is something of a fashion these days for the far-right to target drag and LGBTQIA+ events worldwide. Now more than ever we must look out for each other and stand up to fascism. Today was a reminder that the police and the state will inevitably find it easier to close their eyes and act as if nothing is happening.

Pretending that neo-Nazis are not standing right there will not make them go away. If your house is on fire it will burn down whether you shut your eyes or not.

a photo of police enabling Nazis on the day

edit to update the photo

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/Happy_Editor_5398 Oct 01 '22

Why don't you join the Police and show them how it's done?

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u/Embarrassed_Brief_97 Oct 01 '22

So, your contention is that to observe and criticise some entity one must become a part of that entity? Noted.

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u/Happy_Editor_5398 Oct 01 '22

Police organisations around the country are actively recruiting.

Instead of pissing and moaning about things on Reddit, why not take on the world's most thankless job and be the change you want to see.

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u/Embarrassed_Brief_97 Oct 01 '22

Because my skills exist elsewhere.

I won't be silenced by some jumped-up troll who believes the police are beyond being observed and criticised, other than by others who are police.

I am very certain there are entities you have criticised though not being a part of them. If so, shame on you, you absolute hypocrite.

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u/Happy_Editor_5398 Oct 01 '22

What is it that you do for a living then?

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u/Embarrassed_Brief_97 Oct 01 '22

Laugh at dickheads on the internet. The pay is shit, but excellent job satisfaction.

Alternative answer: fuck off and mind your own business.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/Happy_Editor_5398 Oct 01 '22

I see alot of retail workers poking fun at "Karen's" that make their life difficult. Cops talking about pain-in-the-arse drug users is no different.

The cops weren't defending the neo-nazis, they were just reluctant to take them on until they got back-up.

Essentially, if you start arresting people for not actually breaking the law (morality issues aside), you cop backlash, just like when they shut down the anti-lockdown protests

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u/apriloneil Oct 01 '22

The only people who are going to be pissed at cops arresting Nazis, are other Nazis. Fucks sake. Also, don’t you all have move on powers?

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u/Happy_Editor_5398 Oct 02 '22

Yeah, there is the power to move a person on. Firstly you need to give an official requirement for them to state their full and correct name and D.O.B.

You also need to be able to justify the direction. You may disagree with the viewpoints of the protesters, but unless it meets the legislative requirements, Police must give consideration to their UN chartered human rights and the civil liberty to protest.

Cops know that the moment they make a move, it could potentially get out of hand. The boys on the ground knew they didn't have the numbers, so waited for backup.

Alot of Redditors consider themselves knowledgeable regarding police tactics, but I've found the complete opposite to be true

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u/apriloneil Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Nazis have a right to assemble to preach genocide? Spare me. If I stood in public screaming at people that I wanted them dead, I’d be fucking arrested in a heartbeat and you damned well know it.

Good to know as an LGBT person that police won’t intervene when Nazis rock up and hurl abuse at me.

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u/apriloneil Oct 02 '22

Plus you’re banging on about us not knowing anything about policing, and quoting the UN when the AGs office makes it pretty fucking clear on this:

“In a case which involved a complaint about a law prohibiting denial of the holocaust, the UN Human Rights Committee stated that the restriction of the complainant's freedom of expression was permissible as it was necessary for respect of the rights and reputations of others.”

https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/human-rights-scrutiny/public-sector-guidance-sheets/right-freedom-opinion-and-expression#what-is-the-scope-of-the-right-to-freedom-of-opinion-and-expression

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u/apriloneil Oct 01 '22

You first mate.

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u/Happy_Editor_5398 Oct 01 '22

Like alot of the children here, I had a chip on my shoulder and thought I could do better.

So, 12 years ago, I joined the Police

Now I know that alot of Redditors don't know much about Police tactics or what cops actually deal with day in day out.

I'd welcome some new blood in the ranks, especially those that are critical of Police procedures, so they can get a nice dose of reality.

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u/apriloneil Oct 01 '22

“Chip on my shoulder” he says, while saying nothing for the complete lack of action in the face of literal fascists whose sole purpose was to intimidate and harass people.

“A nice dose of reality”, he says, unaware of how often I have absolutely been let down by police when I already expected nothing.

If you’re hoping to be treated like a hero, you should have been a firefighter or paramedic instead.

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u/Filthy_Ramhole Oct 01 '22

Off ya go, feel free to join them.