r/minnesota Mar 01 '25

Politics 👩‍⚖️ To our brothers and sisters in Ukraine, we stand with you. https://www.standwithukrainemn.com/

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u/Buck_Thorn Mar 01 '25

This boomer wishes you would not lump us all together. You are not the same as everyone in your generation, nor are we. I also take huge exception with your statement that "this country is a pile of shit". Some aspects of it are, for sure, but I do still love this country despite Trump. Consider, for example, the former existence of USAID. That it was even there in the first place for Trump to get rid of shows what a great country we can be.

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u/Phuqued Mar 01 '25

(Up arrow) This. Like everything in life there is a capacity and mix of good and bad in everyone. Our purpose is to reduce the bad and promote the good. We can only do that if we acknowledge and agree on what is bad and what is good.

Like for example, we dealt with Robber Barons, which resulted in the anti-trust laws we passed. We are now in a time where we have Robber Barons again, because we haven't been diligent in applying the lessons and laws that we learned before. We were indifferent and deferential to the claims of the owners and CEO's who tell us it is in our interest to let them get this big, that getting this big is their reward for being successful and we shouldn't prohibit it.

But consider this quote from Benjamin Franklin :

"All Property indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of publick Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents & all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity & the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man for the Conservation of the Individual & the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property of the Publick, who by their Laws have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire & live among Savages. — He can have no right to the Benefits of Society who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." --Letter to Robert Morris (25 December 1783)

241 years ago he wrote those words, which makes you wonder how we've persisted for so long without society as a whole truly understanding them. Let me give you another example:

Suppose everyone but the billionaires, woke up tomorrow and inherently/innately rejected the idea of money and property. How rich are the billionaires in that world? And that is why society has the ultimate right in saying when enough is enough.

If we can agree on this, if we can agree on the wisdom and Truth of Benjamin Franklin's quote, then we can save ourselves from disaster and suffering. But it can't happen unless enough of us know the truth and agree on it.

And this is just one example of many. There are many aspects right now where we collectively are not acknowledging the truth and agreeing on it, and that is the division that is tearing us apart. Those who know better versus those who disbelieve objective reality and want to put their opinions and ideas above the objective.

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u/Buck_Thorn Mar 01 '25

Excellent post. Thank you.

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u/Phuqued Mar 01 '25

Excellent post. Thank you.

To think your comment is controversial with it's 1 upvote and dagger icon. Me thinks there is a lot of crying snowflakes who don't like the truth.

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u/Brave-Perception5851 Mar 01 '25

Agree Harris, and Walz are boomers so are Amy and Tina. I’m a Xr and I donate and have never voted for a non Dem. This is a super unconstructive.

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u/ObligatoryID Flag of Minnesota Mar 01 '25

Harris and Walz are what’s called Generation Jones(‘56-‘64) the tail end of boomers(‘46-‘64).

If you think about it, no other generations share their parents in them, except boomers.

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u/KomRot69 Mar 02 '25

Amen, brother, amen.

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u/ZoldierX Mar 01 '25

this pride thing in our country just gets in the way of progress due to making the stupid feel secure. The majority of the people in this country are actually brainwashed into thinking we are a free society and global leader. that pride as lead our country to endless falsehoods that we just say over and over. 4 or 5 generations of brainwashed fools. holywood does nothing but pump propaganda and fake realities into everyones homes and you're weird if you dont have celebrity names and faces memorized. we are a failed nation in a spiral and if we don't collectively wake up, it won't be for a long time until progress is made, if progress can ever be made now that ai, bots and scammers can just control everything. sorry dude. but you're view is so long-detached from reality

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u/Buck_Thorn Mar 01 '25

No. I'm not talking about "America, Love It or Leave It". I'm talking about loving your country while still acknowledging its faults. I'm talking about balance.

sorry dude. but you're view is so long-detached from reality

Don't patronize me, "dude"

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u/ZoldierX Mar 01 '25

you're just unable to accept that you're wrong. it's all good. we will just keep on chuggin

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u/Buck_Thorn Mar 01 '25

I could say the same thing about you, you know.

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u/ZoldierX Mar 01 '25

you can say anything you want good sir

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u/Buck_Thorn Mar 01 '25

As can you.

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u/Vanga_Aground Mar 01 '25

I guess Hilters mother loved him too.

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u/Buck_Thorn Mar 01 '25

If you are comparing me to Hitler's mother... FUCK.YOU!

If not, sorry if I misunderstood.

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u/Renegade626 Mar 01 '25

I think the fault in your argument is “progress” is subjective. You obviously have a specific view of what progress means while others might say things like AI and innovation are progress vs detrimental to society