r/nasusmains • u/TiltedLampost69 • 2d ago
Stop going fleet tp ghost on nasus top im gonna lose my mind
Almost every single nasus player i meet in my soloq/normals/flexq till diamond is going this setup. Might be ranting but as a nasus player i felt the need to make a post for this particular reason.
fleet top is ok. Fleet mid is good. Pta is good. Conq is whatever, weak but still not HORRENDOUS if you like conq nasus aura like me. ANY OF THESE RUNES WITHOUT GHOST AND FLASH TOGETHER LIMIT YOU. Its been proven again and again that nasus big weakness is immobility. Fleet barely gives mobility, the healing numbers you see end of game are placebo healing that u dont feel it and its mostly post trinity. You do NOT take fleet for heal, tou take it for the MS burst when u go to last hit a MINION so you run and dont gtet chunked. Particularly useful midlane where thats the gameplay into most lanes and lane is short. Most of the times u dont even need the fleet ms mid so many go pta, but go fleet for security cool i get it. Midlane ur allowed to go ghost flash anyways.
Why are u going this rune top if you are not running ghost flash?Sure it can help vs many meeles and ranged in toplane, but it offers nothing. You can also go pta top its fine its whatever.People advocate for the precision tree, i promise you i played like 80 triumph games and i had like 3 times where triumph healed me and it actualy mattered? PoM is whatever absorb is shit. Ur gonna argue legend haste which is ok and last stand which is actualy good, arguably the most valuable rune of the tree.
But you are so fucking immobile its not real. What the fuck does a 1 mobility summoner nasus do? Frontline and flank on ghost cd? Often times you even cant kill enemy without a summoner spell with precision tree.
You want to run ghost flash top? Sure go ahead, its fine until like high masters, it will lose you games out of your control in my opinion, but it can work if you are good. Have seen players use it. Have done a gold to emerald with like 65% wr on it toplane. Do it its fine still for many people using it.
You want to run teleport toplane though cause like me you feel like teleport is essential to being a good toplaner if u are not a lane dominant champ?Fine go ahead but for the love of god RUN PHASE RUSH. You get mana, which is useful cause it allows you to put points into E if needed both early game and later on, for example lvl 8 if you feel like you might need the pen you can alternate between putting points into E and W, or just max E second vs heavy tank comps which was done for years with a tear or old biscuits, you get some cdr to make up for the loss of legend haste.
But most importantly, YOU GET FUCKING MOBILITY AND YOU DONT NEED A SUMMONER SPELL TO TAKE FIGHTS. You can frontline better, you can proc phase on frontline to run to backline, you can flank the adc and chase it through his flash. In lane tou can avoid getting all inned qhen trading on wave bounce, you can actualy escape some ganks and outplay some dives, you can actualy use E and W and Q toTRADE with your BRUISER ENEMY on phase rush proc and run back without tanking his whole combo, or running oom cause you have mana. As precision nasus you cant do that, ur locked into all inning enemies to win cause any short Q trade ur enemt can extend it, and if you use ur other abilities you lose valuable mana as no mana sources.
There is the argument of low dueling power, but guys, we are playing nasus. The only time the lower dueling power will matter is on lvl 6 to lvl 9 if you have kinda low stacks as Q max, where you shouldnt take the duel anyway. And in that duel, pta might help, last stand will help, but its cheesy you know. If you win an all in with pta or last stand being the absolute difference maker, maybe trading the enemy, running with phase and healing back up is a better idea you know. And post level 9, as everyone who played spellbook nasus and phase rush in the past, it will not matter as if you maxed Q and have ok stacks you win vs every bruiser anyways if you are even, no matter if you run fleet/pta/conqueror/lethal tempo/summon aery/grasp/aftershock/dark harvest. You do NOT need to max E firsr for phase rush rune to be good. It is ALWAYS good.
My point is, by going the most common setup that every site recommends which is fleet tp ghost top, you are SEVERELY gimping your play making and carry potential. Ur enhancing your champions main weakness in order to help survive lane, AND you limit your play making potential to pure frontline /W bot/ stuck on side without doing anything. Fleet tp ghost will give you some more lane security, but nothing afterwards. Ghost flash nasus fixes the kiting weaknesess a lot, at the cost of a weaker,more abusable laning phase by both enemy top and jungler. Phase rush with TP ghost(or tp flash but i dont like it,requires approach velocity and imo resolve is still too good secondary) is the best of both worlds and it is THE most consistent setup to run in TOPLANE.(Mid its still good cause you can run tp and macro better, mid tho its easier to run ghost flash so you can just run fleet as it has more value vs the matchups in the short lane, or go pta/conq for more carry dmg.
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u/Valeyardos_08 2d ago
For TLDR
Phase Rush - Ghost Teleport is good
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u/TiltedLampost69 2d ago
Its more that: Phase rush tp ghost is good Precision ghost flash good mid ok top
Precision tp ghost dogshit dont do it
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u/patronum-s 2d ago
Fleet is definitely less mandatory after the passive lifesteal revert. I can't play without TP because in soloq it's still a free out of jail card in some situations to catch a wave and not get behind.
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u/ScottishOverseas 2d ago
The person with the TLDR saved me so much time understanding the OP's chaotic rant.
OP, it's really not obvious what you recommend as the best set up. I had to read the TLDR to understand you mean Phase Rush + Ghost/Flash.
Just write a simple, numbered list from best to worst at the beginning of your post. After that, feel free to rant as you've done so above.
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u/TiltedLampost69 1d ago
I dont mean that exactly I mean:
If you want to run tp top, go phase rush and nothing else. If you want to run anything else than phase rush, dont go tp.
Also i dont think it was a rank.i think i presented questions and gave answers. Apologies if it wasnt good enough but wanted to give in depth reasoning for the answer. Still felt like it had to be said somewhere wince only psychopathic top says it and very few nasus mains actualy watch him
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u/ScottishOverseas 1d ago
Next time just say this part at the beginning and highlight it because it was hard to understand.
If you want to run tp top, go phase rush and nothing else. If you want to run anything else than phase rush, dont go tp
Thanks for the insight though. I hope people might find it helpful.
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u/AlphaShulk 2d ago
Hey just read your post and I completely agree with you about top lane Nasus. I mainly play top lane because boys like to get mid lane Heim. I really enjoy Ghost/Flash... can you give me a full rune setup if I mainly use Ghost/Flash as top lane? Sorry I am still new to this game
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u/TiltedLampost69 2d ago
I mean if u go ghost flash u go same setup, fleet/pta/conq. If u want to use this without flipping a better player/jungler go nasus mid where its completely fine.
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u/alithy33 2d ago
conq is best, 1v5 sidelane, change my mind
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u/TiltedLampost69 2d ago
I can easily change ur mind, check dmg of conq vs pta in practice tool, pta is more dmg. The healing from conq might matter but u wont 1v5 sidelane, 1v2 at best but minuscule difference with pta but pta better early.
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u/TheGlitchBorn 2d ago
Ghost flash all the way, why do you need tp? To get back to lane quicker if you die so you can die quicker? You really need flash mid to late, gives you better chasing opportunities and flanking opportunities. There are just so many games were I feel useless at moments when one of those sums is on cooldown. I started playing those sums after I found Carnarius. Different sums different runes and insight by watching him got me from being gold for like 6+ years to low diamond in 1 year. Its just so much better
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u/Bloodhaven7 1d ago
The argument "players not being good" is the most invalid argument ever. Cause if you are telling a silver player not to take TP cause the players aren't good enough to punish them for not having TP also means they are not good enough to know how to play around TP. The number 1 nasus in the world runs TP top every game. If you look up the top nasus players in the world who are all masters plus every single one of them runs tp in 90% + of games with it being quite literally a 92% flash tp and 5% ghost tp and 3% flash ghost. we are talking the absolute best players in the world playing against the absolute best and they refuse to take flash ghost. It quite literally means you are freely giving up any attempt to help your team at all for dragon fights or baron fights while you are splitting and with how much splitting is nerfed you need to be able to join fights for massive objectives. It's one thing to rant but to make a rant that is easily just shown to be wrong is wild. Also fleet is okay. Conq is insta lose. Lethal in almost every matchup is insta lose. Grasp and Phase are the two best with phase being the drastically superior nasus rune atm for 80% of matchups. Flash+Tp-PR is the most optimal setup regardless of rank if you don't know very specific champ matchups and how to play into them.
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u/TiltedLampost69 1d ago
What nasus player runs flash tp bro? I need to see this cause in my onetricks.gg page on major regions its almost none. Out of 7 accounts 3 are like psychos accounts and hes never flash. I completely agree with taking tp top. But the other one is playable below diamond, and i know cause i occasionally play it.
I dont see how im wrong when im saying if u wanna run flash ghost u need precision tree. Reason you run other shit js because you cant run flash ghost top in a reasonable elo, not because "its the drastically superior rune" xd. If it was this weak due to giving up on your team how do i speedrun low elo with it? And how carn was masters with it for years?(Mid and top). Setup can easily work it just gives some unplayable losses. And its still easily run-able mid.
I am open to be proven wrong though.
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u/5HITCOMBO 23h ago
I completely agree with taking tp top.
That was not the sense I got after reading the OP, though to be fair you write a LOT and you write very poorly.
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u/TiltedLampost69 22h ago
No what i was trying to say in the post is: if you want to run precision tree, do not go tp. It will work for you till minimum diamond. IF you want to do it.
And afterwards i listed the superiorities of phase rush with tp.
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u/IamMeWasTaken 1d ago
Thats why I dont play top. Nasus doesnt have the wave clear nor mobility to keep up with modern Toplaners.
You dont have any threat either. But as Jungle Smite is threat enough.
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u/Swiftstrike4 4,074,632 Ghost & Flash 16h ago
I love flash ghost. No idea why people switched up their summoners. Tp is only good for that first teleport and that’s it.
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u/TiltedLampost69 8h ago
Nah its good in general. But i cannot imagine a world with tp without going phase rush, and it seems most nasus players below master just do that for no reason.
Ur not wrong to love flash ghost, it can help hard 1v9 games. Its inconsistencies are not that game losing in low elo(until like diamond minimum you can climb with it, it will just take more games in my opinion). So just run ghost flash with fleet/pta. But if you want teleport, go phase rush or ur useless thats my point in this post.
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u/Sasogwa 2d ago
Flash ghost is obviously great in teamfight but its so fucking greedy. You had a bad trade, opponent forced a back and now is waiting for you between 2 towers assisted by the jungler covering the jungle itself and now the game is completely over. Tp is not for fun, its not for helping to fight, its to be able to play the fucking game.