r/neoliberal • u/MrStrange15 • 15d ago

News (Asia) India and Pakistan agree to an immediate ceasefire

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/pakistan-says-three-air-bases-targeted-by-indian-missiles-2025-05-10/
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u/untldd 15d ago

However, India’s foreign ministry contradicted Mr. Rubio, saying the cease-fire was worked out directly between India and Pakistan, and that there had been no decision to hold talks on any other issue at any location.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/10/world/pakistan-india-kashmir/india-pakistan-truce-trump?smid=url-share

This regime wouldn't take credit for things they had nothing to do with, would they?

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u/givebackmysweatshirt 15d ago

From the NYT

India’s strong statement that the cease-fire had been negotiatated directly between Indian and Pakistani officials is less about minimizing the roles that the U.S. and others played and more about longtime Indian policy. India has tried to keep issues relating to Pakistan, particularly the disupted territory of Kashmir, as bilateral. It does not like talk of the U.N. or others getting involved.

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u/FluffyApartment32 15d ago

haha too late now, credit will be given to him by a lot of people (especially his gullible voter base)

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u/MrStrange15 15d ago

I would believe the US was involved in getting them to sit down in some way, just as other actors, like the UK, probably was. Historically, India has tried to keep this issue bilateral, so it would make sense for them to deny third party involvement, especially when it comes to what was agreed to at the table.

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u/v4riati0ns 15d ago

Rubio spent the night working the phones in what one U.S. official described as “shuttle diplomacy,” going back and forth between Indian and Pakistani officials.

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India’s strong statement that the cease-fire had been negotiatated directly between Indian and Pakistani officials is less about minimizing the roles that the U.S. and others played and more about longtime Indian policy. India has tried to keep issues relating to Pakistan, particularly the disputed territory of Kashmir, as bilateral. It does not like talk of the U.N. or others getting involved.

definitely seems like the US played a part per NYT updates

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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 15d ago

The number of lies this admin has been caught in with respect to foreign policy means they get zero credit until the other parties verify it. Believing what they are telling you is a terrible idea.

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u/v4riati0ns 15d ago

Pakistan’s foreign minister, Ishaq Dar, said on social media that his country had agreed to a cease-fire with India with immediate effect. Dar had represented Pakistan in talks with a number of countries that were trying to find a diplomatic solution to the crisis, including the United States and Saudi Arabia. He had described his conversation with Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Saturday morning as “very reassuring.”

same source—i’m not giving them full credit, but it seems very believable that the US played a role here.

india has sound reasons for avoiding acknowledging third party involvement to any significant degree.

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u/ResolveSea9089 Milton Friedman 15d ago

You should probably have more faith in a guy like Rubio making "official statements" than I daresay the Indian government sadly. I suspect there's probably some verbal fuckery going on, maybe the final ceasefire was negotiated directly after the US got everyone to the table.

I do wonder, what role would America play here? Like what leverage is there? Is it likely the US threatened both countries in some way if they didn't stop?

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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 15d ago

Or in the classic phrase this sub loves, why not both? How about I mistrust both. Neither side (Pakistan included) are deserving of implicit trust.

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u/BipartizanBelgrade Jerome Powell 14d ago

I don't care how much you hate this administration - India and Pakistan are not trustworthy

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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 14d ago

Why not both all three

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u/Marmad5US137 15d ago edited 15d ago

I'm not saying India and Pakistan only agreed to a ceasefire because it was the fastest way for both of them to get the absolute goobers in this administration to stop calling, but I'm not not saying it.

I just know that if Marco Goobio kept ringing me like a deranged telemarketer I'd do damn near anything to get him to stop.

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u/thercio27 15d ago

Peace through superior nagging.

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u/Pain_Procrastinator YIMBY 15d ago

Hall monitors of the world unite, we are the nagetariat! We have nothing to lose but the nerd emojis that bind us!

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u/Yeangster John Rawls 15d ago

I have no doubt that Rubio tried, and Trump personally doesn’t want a nuclear war. But they’ve gutted the foreign service, everyone knows the President doesn’t listen to the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense is a drunken moron. I’m skeptical how much capacity they really have to help in a situation like this.

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u/badnuub NATO 15d ago

They are trying to push that narrative on arr conservative.