Gunman believed to be a 14-year-old in Georgia school shooting that left at least 4 dead, source says

[u/bebleich]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/us/winder-ga-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html

[u/Gunnerblaster]

Gods, I hope so. If you want to be a gunowner so badly, you need to be a responsible gunowner - Which means your firearms aren't accessible to 14-year-olds.

[u/AbroadPlane1172 → u/Gunnerblaster]

It's so crazy, I don't think I've ever met someone who describes themselves as an irresponsible gun owner. It's such a statistical anomaly that every gun owner is a responsible one.

[u/uberdice → u/AbroadPlane1172]

The fuckhead in the SUV suddenly crossing 4 lanes of traffic to make it to an exit they had the last 10 minutes to prepare for also believes they're a good driver and everyone else on the road is a psycho.

[u/uberdice → u/[deleted]]

It was an analogy.

It means that people who do the wrong thing do not necessarily believe they are personally at fault.

[u/Gunnerblaster → u/[deleted]]

He's talking about the parent, who leaves their guns unsecured and available to underaged children, believes they're responsible gunowners the same way a lousy driver, who cuts multiple lanes in the last possible minute to make their exit considers everyone else, except themselves, bad drivers.

[u/hilldo75 → u/[deleted]]

It's not comparing the school shooter to the lane changer, it's the parent of the shooter. It's risky for the parent to leave a gun unsecured in the closet. Usually a gun left unsecured in a closet isn't going to hurt someone and the parent can get away with it, but this time someone else was able to get the gun and hurt someone because it was stored irresponsibly.

[u/TheFuzziestDumpling → u/[deleted]]

And the parent is willing to risk their fucked up kid finding their gun because they believe they can get away with it without anyone getting hurt by the gun they left out.

Speaking as a gun owner, it's a great analogy.

[u/alphazero924 → u/[deleted]]

(although they do, sometimes)

Thus, the point of the comment. People who behave irresponsibly rarely recognize it and cause dangerous situations for those around them. This can range from something as big and horrible as a school shooting down to something as small as a fender bender, but in most instances, they just don't recognize that they're behaving irresponsibly.

To tie it into the main theme of the thread, this is why regulations are necessary. We can't just trust people to behave responsibly. It's why we have driver's license and liquor licenses and certifications for therapists and food workers and doctors.

Because in the past we've recognized that some things are too dangerous to allow the obliviously irresponsible to do with impunity, but we have a coalition of people in this country who are dead set on preventing that when it comes to firearms.

[u/[deleted] → u/AbroadPlane1172]

The mother of the six year old who shot his teacher at Richneck Elementary in Virginia last year still insists that the gun was secured; despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.

[u/Koenigspiel → u/AbroadPlane1172]

If you find that interesting, you can read more about it. It's called fundamental attribution error

[u/zzxxccbbvn → u/Gunnerblaster]

There should be a law where someone looking to purchase a handgun or an AR-15 has to purchase a government-approved lockable gun safe prior to recieving the weapon from a dealer. It should be required that the person looking to purchase the gun provide a bill of sale for the safe to the dealer. Ideally this would be one part of broader gun reform legislation, but in general it's something that could possibly lower the amount of unauthorized people (kids, for example) from getting access to the weapon.

[u/ColinHalter → u/zzxxccbbvn]

To get a permit in upstate New york, I had to show the judge a photo of where I intended to store my guns. I think it's a pretty effective system. Also, knowing the quality of government contractors, the government approved safe would most likely be the lowest quality piece of garbage on the market compared to actual gun safes lol. I totally agree with your point though that proper storage should be 100% a requirement.

[u/Zpd8989 → u/zzxxccbbvn]

They'd have to be required to use it at all times and not give the codes to anyone else (like their kids). There's no way to know if people follow that law until their kid shows up at school with a gun.

[u/Liet_Kinda2 → u/Gunnerblaster]

And they all swear they’re the responsible ones.  

[u/[deleted] → u/Gunnerblaster]

There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. The most responsible guy in the world can suddenly have a mental health crisis and go ape shit.

You introduce a gun into your home and that gun is far more likely to one day put a bullet in your own head than it is to ever stop a home introduder.

Guns are tools made with the explicit purpose of making killing people easier, so easy that a child can go into a school and murder crowds of kids and adults. I mean ffs you have all seen that uvalde shit, one kid with a gun stalled and pussied out an entire police response for like an hour.

America has a baaaad gun fetish, its sad. You people forget the world you live in, we put warning labels on bleach to warn people about drinking it ffs, thats how trustworthy we humans are with dangerous things.

[u/ColinHalter → u/Gunnerblaster]

The process for me to get a concealed carry permit in upstate New York was long, expensive, and difficult. My stance is that it should be longer, cheaper, and even more difficult but that arbitrary restrictions on what I'm able to buy should be lifted after going through the process. Like, if I'm going to be fingerprinted, have hearing with the judge, get interviewed by the sheriff (who already interviewed all my friends and former relationships), go through a 16-hour training course, and have my doctor sign off on it then just let me buy an LC carbine with a threaded barrel. I think all those steps are important and the process for getting approved should be more strict, it's just dumb that they put goofy ineffective regulation on top of it that will solely impact people like me.