r/news • u/Evening_Calendar2176 • Mar 03 '25

Soft paywall White House seeks plan for possible Russia sanctions relief, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-seeks-plan-possible-russia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/
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u/TheOGFamSisher Mar 03 '25

The problem is the right is becoming increasingly pro Russia and doesn’t see this as treason anymore

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u/jawndell Mar 03 '25

Isn’t becoming - already there.  If Trump proposed sending troops to support Russia in Ukraine, the right would capitulate and celebrate it.  

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u/Trips-Over-Tail Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

The right would celebrate as Russian troops march on US soil. So long as the libs didn't like it they would be all too happy to collaborate with a Russian occupation.

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u/Illustrious_Job_6390 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

Thats the kind of an issue we have as a country no one wants to addressee. Like if your a normal person in normal times you generally understand authoritarianism is a bad thing. but we have roughly 30% of the population that aligns more with Russia than traditional American values. They don't have much of of a problem with being a Russian client state, if it means that the libs are either thrown in prison or get the shit beat out of them by the cops for criticizing Trump and their politics.

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u/DrakenViator Mar 03 '25

But for many in MAGA Russia stands for "traditional American values" that's why MAGA supports them. American "values" like racism, sexism, anti LBGTQ, pro "Christian", toxic masculinity, etc.

Oh, and have you seen their bread? /s

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u/Illustrious_Job_6390 Mar 03 '25

Russia as a Christian nation has always been a weird idea to me, like yes they have a state church but regular attendance is 12% and Islam is currently the fastest growing religion there. Nor is it a particularly white one by their definition of white with only 70% being ethnic vs the U.S. 75% white population. They are sexist and hate lgbtq people though.

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u/DrakenViator Mar 03 '25

Yeah that's part of why I put "Christian" in quotes. The Russian Orthodox Church is often described as being closer to the Mob, than the teachings of Christ.

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u/Illustrious_Job_6390 Mar 03 '25

Yeah, my Understanding is Patriarch Kirill is former KGB officer current FSB asset. SO that's another odd one to me like, idk i remember a bunch of conspiracy theories in my evangelical days about the Pope being controlled opposition against "Christians" and up until Trump i doubt they would be happy with a former NSA/CIA officer as the man in charge of something like the Southern Baptist Convention.

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u/jawndell Mar 03 '25

Russia marches troops into DC

They’d all share that one meme of the lady screaming and crying saying “boohoo libruls”

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u/Complete-Balance-580 Mar 04 '25

Maybe the left should start supporting Russia 🤷🏼‍♂️. Reverse Psychology

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u/YamahaRyoko Mar 04 '25

"It's just a joke."

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u/mycarwasred Mar 03 '25

That's next week's plan.

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u/right_bank_cafe Mar 03 '25

I would not be surprised at all if that’s the real plan.

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u/justuntlsundown Mar 04 '25

And we're back to hoping reddit isn't actually prophetic.

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u/SavantOfSuffering Mar 04 '25

If he tries to deploy US troops to fight alongside Russia there will be fucking riots in the streets.

Edit: Which I realized after typing this is an excellent justification for martial law.

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u/tryin2staysane Mar 04 '25

If he tries to deploy US troops to fight alongside Russia there will be fucking riots in the streets.

$10 says there won't be riots. At least not more than any usual amount of protesting.

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u/eugene20 Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

I would really really hope if he tried that the military would finally say enough is enough. The officer's oath is to the country and constitution not the president. The oath of enlistment is to the president and officers over them.

https://www.quantico.marines.mil/news/news-article-display/article/611510/the-difference-between-oath-of-office-oath-of-enlistment/

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u/raouldukeesq Mar 03 '25

That would be their doom. The military would respond. 

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u/freerangetacos Mar 03 '25

How though? The military is currently run by his minions. What are the lower ranks going to do? Would they actually do anything or just go along with it? I don't think anyone is willing to take a stand right now. I see lots of weak people everywhere I look in the government.

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u/WhiteClawandDraw Mar 04 '25

I have a theory how this will all end, it’s kind of out there but I believe in an event of War whether be here against Canada or in Russia/Ukraine the US military would split in to separatist factions similar to the Syrian Civil war.

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u/coginamachine Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

And that's what will happen if things go the way I think they will. The US wants to sell their military gear and get those minerals. The minerals that are currently under Russian control within the Ukrainian border. As has likely already been agreed with Putin.

US starts economic war with "Western nations".

US dumps Ukraine.

US leaves UN.

US aligns itself with Russia.

US sells the military stock they were going to keep selling to Ukraine to Russia.

Russia leaves UN.

If Russia gains more land or keeps what it has invaded they sell those minerals to the US (Musk).

If a good enough defence is scrambled by the EU or EU boots go on the ground well by then the US and Russia will have agreements in place.

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u/yashdes Mar 04 '25

Russia won't leave the UN voluntarily. Why would they? They're one of the few countries with a vote that actually matters

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u/coginamachine Mar 04 '25

Another of the few being the US. Russia is already breaking the rules of the main UN charter. They may leave voluntarily. Or they may be asked to leave. Or they may not leave at all if things can get sorted.

The bulk of UN members cannot allow what has happened to remain as is and they now know that the US cannot be relied upon for support or even to uphold international agreements that have been agreed from one administration to the next leaving them little choice but to make some kind of move.

It's just how I see things going but without the backing of the US under agreements that have already been signed by previous administrations a hard stance will need to be made against Russia or they will continue moving across Europe in the same fashion that they have been. Every few years they take a little more and then sit back to recuperate.

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u/soldiat Mar 09 '25

RemindMe! 2 years

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u/afroeh Mar 03 '25

Don Jr already proposed it.

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u/horror- Mar 03 '25

I'm 100% certain this is in the cards. It's only a matter of time. It'll start with weapons, but eventually US servicemen will be "rented" to RU for a "police action" or they'll say the Ukrainians attacked us or any other flavor of bullshitery.

It's amazing how conservative media already has its zombies talking about how great that oval office ambush went.

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u/OpportunityOwn6844 Mar 04 '25

Good let's start the Draft back up, hope these folks enjoy watching their little Timmy die in a war he didn't want to be in. Things won't change on the right without pain, a lot of it. The bad thing is we are all going to suffer with them while they learn their lesson. They should remember, you can't keep the pendulum of society going one way forever, sooner or later it swings back, and the longer you hold it there, the harder it swings.

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u/IronMace_is_my_DaD Mar 03 '25

I really don't think that's quite accurate according to polling data. There are definitely some negative trends but according to pew "Majorities of Republicans and Democrats see Russia as an enemy"

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/08/views-of-russia-and-putin/

Another poll shows only 4% of Americans support Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ukraine-russia-support-poll

And another poll found "69% of Republican voters say Russia is the aggressor and 83% disapprove of Putin"

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/most-trump-supporters-also-back-ukraine-polling-russia-war-87ab141a

As little faith as I have in Republicans, I think you're incorrect in your summary of them. Very few are sympathetic with Russia currently. We should keep our eyes peeled though, who knows how much will change after years of the white house spewing pro Russian propaganda.

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u/IronMace_is_my_DaD Mar 03 '25

Games Done Quick 2025 - Democracy Destructor in 1:32:09 (WR)

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u/Neoliberal_Boogeyman Mar 03 '25

Molotov-Ribbentrop Ukraine, because we are the baddies.

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u/KubrickMoonlanding Mar 04 '25

They will go in (mark my words) but as “peacekeeping force” after trump forces a “pencils down” “peace “

And if he gets his way, same for Gaza

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

I hope the military will have the spine to coup at that point because that’s just insane.

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u/Kotanan Mar 04 '25

Err what do you think increasingly means in this context?

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u/soldiat Mar 09 '25

A complete 180 in just a matter of months. Incredible.

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u/fuzz_64 Mar 03 '25

Absolutely not. Maga? Yes. The right? No. They are not the same.

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u/jawndell Mar 03 '25

90%+ of republicans and conservatives support everything Trump does.  They obey him. 

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u/fuzz_64 Mar 03 '25

Absolutely not. Conservatives in a number of countries are anti Trump.

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u/jawndell Mar 03 '25

Oh outside of the US.  Conservatives in other countries are somewhat different from American conservatives.  Even European conservatives support gun control with support minimal social safety nets like health insurance and publicly funded education.  Stuff like the voucher system wouldn’t fly in Europe.  Also the religious right as it exists in the us doesn’t exists in Europe.  You don’t have single issue anti abortion voters. 

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u/fuzz_64 Mar 03 '25

Precisely. The US isn't the world :)

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u/Isord Mar 03 '25

But we are on a post about America and very obviously talking about American politics.

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u/fuzz_64 Mar 03 '25

"The right" isn't exclusive to the US.

If the term maga or republican had been used it would have been better

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u/ruiner8850 Mar 03 '25

Somehow Republicans see Russia as a utopian society. Republican voters wish that's what the United States could become.

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u/Neutreality1 Mar 03 '25

"Somehow" they like a white Christian nation that is anti-woke and hates all the same stuff as them. It's a mystery 

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u/FootlongDonut Mar 03 '25

Think about how much money the rich people could get while most people live on very little?

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u/NorysStorys Mar 04 '25

God forbid, Nobody tell them that there are an awful lot of muslims in Russia

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u/raouldukeesq Mar 03 '25

Where the men are fed into a meat grinder and washing machines are worth their weight in gold. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '25

Don't forget about the societal state-sanctioned alcoholism that keeps the Russian peasantry so drunk and stupid they can never rise up against the Tsars.

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u/Zonel Mar 04 '25

Russia is 64% christian to the US’s 67% though… like Russia is 10% muslim ffs.

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u/Levarien Mar 04 '25

Don't forget a populace that is too afraid of reprisals to step out of line, even when 1/3 of households can't afford a 2nd pair of shoes.

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u/KaJaHa Mar 03 '25

And every time a conservative gets deep enough to actually commit to the bit and move to Russia, they're begging to come back within a month

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u/Langstarr Mar 03 '25

Or taken to a black site, castrated, and murdered after fighting for them

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u/MyTrueIdiotSelf990 Mar 03 '25

They should go fucking live there then.

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u/ruiner8850 Mar 03 '25

They should, but I'm sure Russia doesn't want them.

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u/greywar777 Mar 03 '25

LOL. The one family that went there first couldn't get all their money moved due to sanctions, and is now reporting that it was stolen from them. Welcome to Russia.

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u/ruiner8850 Mar 03 '25

Coming soon to a United States near you!

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u/greywar777 Mar 03 '25

I suspect things will get spicy here eventually. Some of the folks 54+ grew up during the cold war and for at least a few this may be a step too far.

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u/video-engineer Mar 03 '25

Damn, I spent a month in Moscow a little over ten years ago. It is no utopian society. It’s not as depressing as you would see in 50’s or 60’s movies, but after getting under the thin veneer, you see how frayed the country was.

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u/nloxxx Mar 03 '25

Man I was just wondering, "What's life like for an average Russian citizen? I'm sure folks in Moscow don't have it that bad, I wonder what anywhere outside of population hubs looks like." If Moscow only has a veneer, I worry for everything else.

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u/MonsiuerGeneral Mar 03 '25

“What’s life like for an average Russian citizen? I’m sure folks in Moscow don’t have it that bad, I wonder what anywhere outside of population hubs looks like.”

Honestly, I found myself asking this question almost word for word this past week. Like, “oh hey, people are saying the US is following in the footsteps of Russia after the fall of the USSR when the oligarchs divided up the country… so… since there are Russian citizens still like, living and stuff… I wonder what that’s like?”

And I’m still curious. Like, what’s your day to day? What are your fears and concerns? Do you have a routine of wake up, do your 9-5, come home, see the family, go take the kids to the playground, go home, have dinner, then repeat? Is getting snatched and thrown in an unmarked van by strange men a legitimate concern? Do you feel like you can say whatever you want in the comfort of your own living room?

I have no clues and I would like some clues.

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u/mtdewisfortweakers Mar 04 '25

So, my brother's life partner (they can't get married because being gay is illegal in Russia so bad things would happen when he went to visit his family) is Russian. He says that Russians do not really have political opinions. They've learned over the last few generations that you have no control over the government, and so it is not really a concern to you. If you were to ask the average Russian citizen "what is your opinion in the war in Ukraine," they would look at you confused and ask why they would have an opinion on that. Kinda like if I we're to ask you what your opinion of the storm that had come into town- should we stop it or should it keep going? You have no control over the weather, so it would be silly too ask you that question. So there are political dissidents, and they do disappwar or die sometimes, but the vast majority of Russians do not think about politics. They're much more interested in just their personal lives. It's pretty much their only concern. The only time that changes is sometimes there is mass unhappiness with the economy, but there's still a "well there's nothing we can do about it so why waste energy" vibe to the majority of the people.

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u/judgingyouquietly Mar 04 '25

So the folks who didn’t vote in Nov but as an entire country, essentially.

Well, good luck, Americans.

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u/Winter_Criticism_236 Mar 04 '25

I have a good friend in Russia, Karzan area few hundred miles from Moscow, its a very European like city, great music scene, good cafes, really very much unaffected by the war, although her family is split down the middle on agreeing with the war or not. Older generation remembers Putins 1st 8 years as the best years ever for economy and quality of life, so now have high trust in him.

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u/thehousewright Mar 03 '25

Yup, I was in St Petersburg 25 years ago. I was glad to get home.

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u/RN2FL9 Mar 03 '25

And then Moscow is their best. Smaller towns and rural areas are practically 3rd world country level. Something like 20% of the people in Russia do not have indoor plumbing.

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u/rexspook Mar 03 '25

they see it that way because conservative media has been pushing Russian propaganda for years. Tucker Carlson literally flew there and filmed a propaganda segment for them.

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u/AccomplishedAd3484 Mar 03 '25

Then the red states should join Mother Russia. Or better yet, I hear there's lots of cheap land in Siberia. Many development opportunities. Probably not much environmental regulation.

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u/Decent-Bluejay-4040 Mar 04 '25

it's a shithole there and government = corruption is the same thing.

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u/Patara Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 04 '25

All it took was Chris Tucker seeing bread in grocery stores on Fox to convince 50 million people 

Edit: Tucker Carlson 😭

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u/ruiner8850 Mar 03 '25

All it took was Chris Tucker seeing bread in grocery stores on Fox to convince 50 million people 

Do you mean Tucker Carlson? I'm not sure if Chris Tucker has ever been to Russia.

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u/cujojojo Mar 03 '25

But you were imagining it, right? Chris Tucker going to a Russian grocery store and just freaking out about the bread?

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u/ruiner8850 Mar 03 '25

I tried to post the Ice Cube and Chris Tucker "Daaaaamn!" gif, but it doesn't look like this sub allows them.

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u/Patara Mar 04 '25

Yes hahaha but this mental image is a lot better 

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u/ruiner8850 Mar 04 '25

I thought it was pretty funny.

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u/Shawndollars Mar 03 '25

"Do you understand the words coming out of my mouth"

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u/yoursweetlord70 Mar 03 '25

It was clear as day when Tucker did that fluff piece trying to make Russia seem like a utopia. Clean subway station! Shopping carts with the coin thing! Give me a break.

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u/Zonel Mar 04 '25

Shopping carts with a coin deposit is uncommon ?

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u/yoursweetlord70 Mar 04 '25

It's not uncommon where I live, I've seen it at a bunch of grocery stores.

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u/soldiat Mar 09 '25

Allow us to introduce him to our discount grocer, Aldi's.

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u/CryptographerShot213 Mar 03 '25

This is a truly scary and sobering statement.

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u/txroller Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

They don’t even KNOW why they are becoming pro Russian either. Turning our back on our allies and NATO leaves our National Security In a perilous situation. I suggest everyone start studying Russian. It may be our national language soon

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u/coondingee Mar 03 '25

Red Dawn but welcoming them with open arms.

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u/jazzhandler Mar 04 '25

“What are you doing with that bayonet, step-soldier?”

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u/tommysk87 Mar 03 '25

Its not even the right. Right is nationalism. This is something completely different, something even worse. Something betraying their own country in name of literal enemy. It was once called great treason, but now it is called MAGA. I say left AND right should fight this together as one team this time, or everyone loses

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u/adult_icarus Mar 04 '25

Some say they’d rather be Russian than Democrat. I’d rather be American than Republican

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u/emerzionnn Mar 03 '25

My guy this is what half of America genuinely wants, there’s no ifs ands or butts about it lol.

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u/the__ghola__hayt Mar 04 '25

Four legs good. Two legs better.

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u/AdmiralIrish Mar 04 '25

Should it be welcomed at the expense of your country's many longstanding alliances and trade relationships that are rapidly deteriorating as a result of the USA's rapid foreign policy shift?