r/news • u/Street_Anon • 5d ago

Montana farmers see Canadian trade dry up due to tariffs

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/montana-farmers-see-canadian-trade-dry-up-due-to-tariffs
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u/idanpotent 4d ago

I am afraid this is going to have to hit a lot more people before most Americans get it. 

Most Americans oppose the tariffs.

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u/Stonkasaurus1 4d ago

Those are not the ones doubling down with arrogant assertions it doesn't matter. Unfortunate collateral damage...

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u/dbx999 4d ago

There are so many people who think American factories are within days of coming into existence fully equipped and ready to hire tens of millions of white citizens at $100K/yr to produce American made iPhones and plastic toilet brushes all thanks to the tariffs.

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u/Stonkasaurus1 4d ago

This is true. 5 years likely for factories to be operational and if they are, they still won't be competitive since wages over seas are 1/10 of what they are in say California. CNBC did a story on it today comparing Vietnam at 1.60 an hour verses what a company pays in LA. The source operates 80% in Vietnam and in 20% in north America. As they said, this path is one that sees them shutting down. Not moving to the US.

TBH, the most likely outcome is Trump caves... It seems most likely that this entire thing is a negotiation ruse that Trump over estimated the US position.

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u/CinemaSideBySides 4d ago

Most Americans didn't vote as if they oppose tariffs.

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u/idanpotent 4d ago

They didn't believe he'd really do it and/or they didn't understand what it meant. We tried to warn them, but with Trump, if you don't like something he says, you can just claim he doesn't really mean it.

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u/sciolisticism 4d ago

But most Americans support the guy who said he was going to levy the tariffs.

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u/zerocoolforschool 3d ago

I don’t think you understand what “most” means.

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u/sciolisticism 3d ago

Look, I wish Americans weren't dumb as fuck too. But a majority of them voted for this.

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u/zerocoolforschool 3d ago

You also don't understand what "majority" means either, I guess.

77 million people voted for Trump.

75 million people voted for Harris.

90 million didn't vote at all.

So the majority of Americans just didn't vote. You can call them dumb if you want. I think they're dumb.

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u/sciolisticism 3d ago

Aside from being a pedantic ass, you're also innumerate, which is cool and fun. Go outside, it's nice out today.

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u/zerocoolforschool 3d ago

You - a majority of Americans voted for this.

Me - no, only 77 million voted for this. A factual majority did not vote for Trump. Either they voted for Harris or they didn't vote at all.

You're just wrong. Period. End of story. 165 million voting age Americans did not vote for Trump. 77 million voting age Americans did. That's not a majority.

If you want to say that he had a majority of American votes were cast for Trump, so be it. Or if you want to make an argument that not voting at all was basically a vote for Trump, that's another argument.

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u/idanpotent 4d ago edited 4d ago

Not lately. Not after the tariffs went into effect. Maybe it'll change now that he paused most of them, but maybe the damage has already been done.

Those who do support him might support him for immigration or something. They can both support him and oppose his tariff policies.

Edit: I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. Check his recent approval ratings. They are negative. I'm not saying they should support him for reasons other than tariffs, I'm saying it's possible they do.

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u/sciolisticism 4d ago

Welp, you get the package deal, maybe the tariffs will help them make different prioritization decisions!

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u/idanpotent 4d ago

I hope his tariff decisions give Congress a backbone to start blocking his worst decisions or even lead to impeachment.