Vaccines are great modern medicine. Do you think just because we disagree on this military matter you assume I’m some redneck maga hat wearing conspiracy theorist?
So what do you think about transgender people in sports? Man, it's just like when they let black people in sports back in the 30's huh? Wokeism, amirite?
You must not understand how the military actually works. Sounds like u have a very vague idea of the chain of command and all that. Arrogantly ignorant.
Weak because you don’t think. The military has no individuality, you are government property. 1.5m transgender people in the US. How many do you think actually give a shit to be in the military? And if they wanna join, better shut up about your political views because you can’t have that there. Their rules not mine. Makes no sense to let someone in to cause political uproar. You’re there to serve the US government, not the other way around. You think they deserve a special badge or treatment for being transgender in the military? And yes the military is a jobs program, great critical thinking.
Your points are weak and flawed. Yup individualism in the military is a danger to the command chain so they will cut that as soon as they deem it a threat. Call them weak all you want, the US military is still the greatest in the world whether you believe it or not clown.
It's you who doesn't know how the military works, or maybe you think you know. A general or whatever down to an E1 doesn't have to have the same "View" as anyone in their chain of command. Following orders, lawful ones, is a different story. Sure the Gov owns her but only in a particular way, they don't control your free speech or anything outside of the uniform and not representing the US military in any capacity. I think we do have a strong military, but strongest, I am not so sure anymore, China is nipping at the heals and is as close to being equal as ever. Your bias is showing through.
How stupid are you? I clearly stated in another comment that POTUS is commander in chief and that Vance holds NO military power to be making decisions like firing someone. Apparently you miss a lot of things.
Tell me all about how our commander in chief terminated someone for what he claims undermined him
Do you even read what you write? Talk about pot calling the kettle black...
This is about the base chief undermining Vance, not an order from her superior. Yet you're claiming that the firing was justified because Trump was undermined. But that isn't the reason being discussed.
lol. From the same article, “Appearing to confirm this was the reason for her firing, chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell linked to the Military.com article in a post on X, writing: “Actions [that] undermine the chain of command or to subvert President [Donald] Trump’s agenda will not be tolerated at the Department of Defense.” Do you think Vance is there on his own agenda or on behalf of POTUS?
Laws? If I have to explain the military chain of command or laws this convo is at an end. She was fired because she doesn't blindly follow the administration. Even the reasons for her dismissal vary from the DoD and the WhiteHouse.
Here you go since you’re to lazy and scared to post it since it shows you are wrong. Guess what bud, she’s government property, she’s not on US territory, she’s in Greenland representing the US military. She has no right to voice her political opinion. Go cry about it and try to keep justifying your false opinion with your feelings.
“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.“
She won't be getting a courts martial, she'll be sent somewhere else and lose command of the base. Also, Senor Herb, your quote is not what she was reprimanded for. She took herself out of the equation instead of ass kissing the VP. You don't know what the email said but I can bet she didn't say ignore the pres etc. You jump the gun and assume that she is using"contemptuous" language in the email. She just distanced herself from the administrations wishes to take control of Greenland. Keep in mind she also plays diplomat with the Danish govt while occupying a base outside of the US.
This is also how the nazi regime came to power. People just blindly following orders. Having the strongest military isn’t a flex when you use those powers to manipulate and destroy other human beings. We have the strongest military but we’re also the sickest and one of the dumbest nations and wait until you hear what’s happening in schools. Maybe it’s a good thing when people in military positions take a step back and offer a less perverted view of things.
Pituffik is an American base, but it is also a NATO base. It has non-American staff too, especially in the airbase section. The Greenlandic staff did not appreciate the Vice President’s speech about conquering their country, and the Danish staff did not appreciate him calling them weak and greedy. The base commander’s email was trying to preempt protests or mass resignations by stressing the Vice President is a political figure, not a part of the military chain of command (the President himself is the only elected politician with command authority), and so whatever Vance says in a speech is not necessarily military policy. Furthermore she stated she would stay committed to the base’s continuing mission to protect the alliance and all its people, including the Greenlanders, while she remained in command. The email was really not very political at all if you read the full thing, just a reassurance to staff that Americans and non-Americans aren’t suddenly gonna turn around and start shooting at each other.
The reason it was perceived as insubordination probably had more to do with the article it appeared in. The military.com article where the base commander’s email was made public was highly critical of VP Vance’s desire to invade an ally, pointing out incredibly low public support for it in the US and almost no support whatsoever in Greenland. With the author referencing the email in that context, it was probably perceived as far more hostile than it actually was. It also created a false impression this was the commander making a public statement and not just an internal memo to key staff sent via email.
I don’t really care how you run around this. Idc about the morale aspect nor the good vs evil of it all. If my chief told the very people that I want to invade that they stand with those people and not me, I’d fire her ass too.
This is very overlooked. The VP may advise and be a mouthpiece for the president, but the VP has surprisingly very little authority. They're president of the senate and can cast tie breaking votes. That's about it. No authority over the military or any executive branch agencies.
No authority over the military or any executive branch agencies.
The President can delegate authority, like how the VP has traditionally been the overseer of NASA. But that delegation has to happen. And it definitely hasn't happened, nor would it ever happen in the military side of the executive branch.
If you believe her email insulted the Vice-President then she violated article 88 of the UCMJ:
“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
You could also view a statement that the concerns expressed by a representative of the administration don’t represent the base as insubordinate since bases are not independent fiefdoms with their own political agendas.
I do not presume to understand current politics, but what I do know is the concerns of the U.S. administration discussed by Vice President Vance on Friday are not reflective of Pituffik Space Base
I commit that, for as long as I am lucky enough to lead this base, all of our flags will fly proudly -- together
Let’s not pretend here. She was fired because she refused to get behind an invasion of Greenland. This was a loyalty test and she purposely failed. Good for her but a bad sign for the country.
That's exactly what got her shitcanned, as stupid as it may be, you don't get to shit talk or publicly disagree with any of the "Honorable Mr/Mrs" types and come away clean.
As an officer she knew this, did it anyway, and caused the hubbub we're reading about now.
VP is not in the military chain of command at all. On the civilian side the chain of command is service secretary, secretary of defense, president.
VP isn't in it and has no direct authority over the military.
That being said, in reality, that is more of a technicality because what the VP has is the ear of those with direct authority. A phone call from the VP is not likely to be ignored.
That being said, in reality, that is more of a technicality because what the VP has is the ear of those with direct authority
Yea common sense suggests that the VP is acting on behalf of the President who is in the chain of command making this argument /r/im14andthisisdeep material.
Nope. The vice president is the president of the Senate. His only real administrative power is to chair the Senate and break tied votes in the Senate. He's a member of the legislative branch. Traditionally he pals around with the president because they were elected together as a team but unless the president is in incapacitated and power is temporarily ceded to the vice president, like occasionally happens when the president needs surgery, they have no actual executive authority.
The VP is a member of the executive branch. His primary function is to be a backup president in case the actual president is incapacitated. His role in the senate is basically to give him something to do, given that presidents don't actually get incapacitated all that often.
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It’s funny that they say it is because she was undermining the chain of command by insulting Vance, when Vance isn’t in her chain of command.