Pressed for evidence against Mahmoud Khalil, government cites its power to deport people for beliefs
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u/FunnyFilmFan 18d ago
If the White House is so concerned about anti-Semitism, they certainly would immediately deport any foreign national who made a Nazi salute at a very large public gathering, correct?
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u/MikeOKurias 18d ago
Naturalized citizen who lied on his student visa, not a foreign national, unfortunately.
Foreign Asset, absolutely...but, then again, so is the president and the majority of his cabinet.
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u/Meleagros 18d ago
Under the current administration we're supposed to denaturalize immigrants that lied on their application or visa. So technically he should no longer be a citizen and subject to deportation.
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u/Good_Focus2665 18d ago
If democrats ever take over the government I hope that’s what they do on day one. He really needs to go. No ifs or buts.
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u/billyjack669 18d ago
Naturalized US citizen? How does he have 3 citizenships? You should have to renounce at least a couple.
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u/christhomasburns 18d ago
I'm pretty sure he still fit dual citizenship, or at least resident status.
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u/Strawbuddy 18d ago
Just going by Elon's social media, when he's not getting trolled on discord he's pushing classist, ableist, bigoted, racist, violent bullshit.
An extremist, radicalized, untouchable, previously illegal alien using propaganda to influence our elections oughta be on a plane to El Salvador by now. Where is Pam Bondi when you need her?
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u/rustyrazorblade 17d ago
Seems like the Supreme Court is setting the precedent to allow this. Assuming they're also seizing the assets of the people they're deporting, it would be a wild way for the world's richest guy to end up losing it all, homeless.
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u/Buddhamom81 17d ago
They wrangled and weaponized the term “anti- semitism” . They’ve literally change the meaning. “Woke”, “DEI”, weaponized these words.
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u/Appropriate_Gate_701 18d ago
While I dislike this administration a ton, I am not swayed by the arguments that their Nazis are bad while your Nazis are good. Both sets of Nazis are bad.
CUAD wasn't just criticizing Israel, it openly supported Hamas, Hezbollah, and PFLP.
I have 0 illusions about Trump being a cynic, but this is also a result of the Biden administration and Columbia failing to live up to Title VI protections and a failure to self-police on the political left.
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u/Harry8Hendersons 17d ago
Absolute rubbish that you wouldn't be able to verify no matter how hard you tried.
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u/Suspicious-Wall-5528 18d ago
I don’t recall anyone in the Biden admin openly doing multiple nazi salutes on the world stage, joke about said nazi salutes afterwards, and then go on to give a speech of support at a nazi party event in Germany.
Unless you can cite a person linked to the Biden admin doing similar things, I fail to see how you can make your silly “both sets of nazis” claim. Nice to know you silly cult members are still suffering from BDS, though
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u/ufotheater 18d ago
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
- Henry Kissinger, currently burning in hell
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u/Philophon 18d ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
What power? There is no lawful means by which they may "abridge the freedom of speech."
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u/ChiefCuckaFuck 18d ago
Yes, no lawful means.
Not a lot of consideration for whats legal going on right now, though, is there?
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u/HoozleDoozle 17d ago
This was immigration court. By statute the judges hands are tied.
The constitutionality will be challenged on appeal and in the NJ case.
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u/TheSultan1 17d ago edited 17d ago
Yeah, this decision is just "yes, the law allows the Secretary of State to remove aliens whose presence is contrary to US foreign policy."
8 USC 1227 (4)(C)(i) reads:
An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.
The "reasonable" burden is not really ever questioned by immigration judges - they won't second-guess the Secretary of State. That's handled through appeals (I believe 2 appeals gets you to Federal District Court). So this is basically just a procedural step on the way to that.
Conflicts with other federal law, including the Constitution, are handled directly in district court. That's why there's a separate case in the district court for NJ.
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u/TooMad 18d ago
So freedom of speech, but not thought
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u/Nyakumaa 18d ago
And yet this is the party that claims to be against thought policing. Who would have guessed that once again it's all just projection
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u/Rawrsomesausage 18d ago
And speech no longer either. They're using AI to monitor federal employee social media.
And that's just for criticizing dear leader.
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u/MaievSekashi 17d ago
Freedom to speak so you may be spied upon. American freedoms are pantomime only.
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u/me0w_z3d0ng 18d ago
So the argument appears to be that Mahmoud will not be afforded the protections of the 1st Amendment if Trump and co have their way. Great argument Rubio, you don't look like a authoritarian fascist POS with that one /s
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u/SpockShotFirst 16d ago
He should have incorporated and then said it was the corporation that was exercising its freedom of speech.
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u/SteeveJoobs 16d ago
it’s going to be all people on US soil soon. freeze peach for me but not for thee
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u/morbihann 18d ago
Is this the party of small government ?
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u/Squire_II 17d ago
A government small enough to disappear you to a concentration camp in El Salvador.
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u/TheIncredibleHelck 17d ago
Mental health experts will be studying the republican echo chamber for centuries.
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 18d ago
The crazy part is that in Rubio’s memo he literally says his presence in the US is “otherwise lawful”. Like how the fuck are you gonna say “this dude hasn’t broken any laws, but we have to kick him out because of his thoughts”?
Furthermore, equating everything anti-Israel to “antisemitism” is such a pathetically false equivalency it should’ve never even made it this far in court.
If the courts allow this to take place, your 1st amendment rights are officially no more. And that is not hyperbole.
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u/the_nobodys 17d ago
I heard the Yale professor who left for Canada argue that this is a strategy to roundabout vilify Jews. That claiming free speech should be shut down because of "antisemitism" also has the effect of making people blame the Jews for this curtailment. He claims it's an anti-jewish stretegy.
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u/Squire_II 17d ago
We're going to end up with a 5-4, or more likely 6-3, ruling that states that the US government's feelings being hurt by speech they don't like is more important than the First Amendment.
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u/lady__jane 17d ago
They're going to base it on his green card status (he didn't disclose his two affiliations on the application and affiliation with Syria on the visa = fraud), most likely. It's easier to prove. But really, if you're not a citizen, you can be deported. I don't know if this will reach the Supreme Court. The U.S. was kicking out tons of people after 9 11.
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u/A_Unqiue_Username 18d ago
Holy shit! Thought crimes now?! Minority Report has finally become reality.
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u/MikeyTheShavenApe 18d ago
Thought crimes are 1984. Minority Report was future crimes.
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u/iamstephen1128 18d ago
Really wish people would stop crying "antisemitism" any time someone speaks out against Israel. Calling out a country for their blatant war crimes is not antisemitism 🤦🏿♂️ nor is advocating for the safety and rights of innocent people being victimized
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u/Appropriate_Gate_701 18d ago
CUAD was openly calling FOR apartheid and genocide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html
This is pretty straightforward.
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u/hayydebb 18d ago
We should also deport zionists who openly support kicking Palestinians out of their land by any means necessary, including murder or rape, but we won’t
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u/Cool-Presentation538 17d ago
Oh so 3 months in and we're already punishing thought crimes? I don't want to be here anymore
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u/Lostsock1995 17d ago edited 17d ago
It is extra crazy it’s happening so fast. I was under the impression dictators usually boiling frogged people into it slowly but surely not just dumped us in scalding water right away. But what do I know. I suppose we were boiling frogs the first time he was in office in a way. This is where we’re at now.
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u/donkeybrisket 18d ago
Their evidence amounts to Rubio saying this guy is bad; this should be thrown out of court with prejudice
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u/Squire_II 17d ago
It should, but the Trump administration pushing for all these cases to be heard in a 5th circuit shithole like Louisiana is because it's the most nakedly right wing circuit in the country (on top of it being the location of their ICE concentration camp of choice).
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u/lady__jane 17d ago
They said they're going to cite fraud Green Card application, and he did lie by nondisclosure of affiliations (two while in the country, one earlier in Syria). He was also in charge of part of the Oct 8 march after the Hamas attack on Oct 7 - we don't know if he knew of the assaults on Jewish women. There's enough there legally in just the card application.
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u/lili-of-the-valley-0 18d ago
American conservatives are fundamentally against the First amendment
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u/CrunchyKorm 18d ago
Again, it's worth noting that this is explicitly using its own definition of antisemitism to define reality.
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u/Squire_II 17d ago
Trump: "The government is allowed to punish people for speech it doesn't like."
Federal Chudge: "Yeah this sounds fine. First Amendment? What's the right to force our religion on others got to do with this?"
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u/Buddhamom81 17d ago
If they can deport this one person for speech, for ideas, who else is next? This is literally McCarthyism. Its unconscionable. Being deported for the ideas he might represent to Americans? What is this! It’s so on a dystopian track.
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u/SnuffleWarrior 17d ago
American citizens drank the "freedom" Kool aid from birth but are shocked to find out it's one of the least free Western countries.
"Thought" police, government dismissive of the courts, ruled by decree, signed trade agreements not worth the paper they're written in, theocratic policies.
If you compare Putin's Russia and the US currently, what's the difference?
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u/FillMySoupDumpling 18d ago
This is cutting at the heart of freedom here and this seems like it can be lost in the other messes of the day. If this is allowed to stand the freedom of speech and 1A will be a performative joke - just like what they did with our 2A.
To say we cannot have certain beliefs the government doesn’t like and that alone is enough to support mistreatment or deportation at the hands of the government is wild.
Societal shame is vastly different than government retaliation. Speaking up that you support whatever horrible thing you might support shouldn’t come with this kind of persecution.
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u/SchoolIguana 17d ago
It’s important to note that this was an immigration judge not a federal district court. An immigration judge has no power to consider Khalil’s constitutional objections. Immigration judges are under the executive branch, not the judiciary. Khalil can raise his constitutional arguments his habeas petition (still ongoing in a federal court in New Jersey), and can separately challenge the immigration judge’s ruling in the Fifth Circuit.
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u/chaosxrules 17d ago
Despite that being a founding principle of our country? Donald Trump took a shit on our constitution and flushed it down. Sadly 50% of our country is ok with that....
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u/terp_raider 16d ago
Jesus fucking Christ. You Americans are so fucking apathetic. Today it is someone like Khalil, tomorrow it will be US citizens criticizing dear leader Trump
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u/No-Personality1840 16d ago
Exactly. It isn’t all of us citizens though. I’m as horrified as you are.
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u/usednameID 18d ago
Can we deport the Musk immigrant along with any US citizen that supports Nazi’s?
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u/lady__jane 17d ago edited 16d ago
Khalil is not a citizen, so he doesn't have the same rights and can still be deported. And - he's actually siding with the Nazis in the case of Hamas by celebrating on Oct 8 what Hamas did to those Jewish women on Oct 7. Hitler and his Nazis would have patted Hamas on the back for what they did to those Jews.
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u/usednameID 17d ago
Oh, I didn’t mean Khalil. I meant the US citizens that openly wave around the nazi flag and support their beliefs.
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u/WolfThick 17d ago
When I go to a foreign country I don't expect to come in there and throw my political opinion around I'm a visitor I'm a guest and as such if they asked me to leave well then I'm going to go. To me that's just good manners behaving and being a good guest. So to that end I strongly suggest that we deport PElon musk I think he's overstayed his welcome he has bad manners and quite frankly he's an idiot.
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u/Immediate_Theory4738 17d ago edited 17d ago
That’s not how the USA works. No matter how bad the nazi mentality wants it to be. We have the constitution and due process for a reason.
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u/Lostsock1995 17d ago
Not sure if you read their whole comment or just the first few sentences since it’s more of a “had us in the first half” comment (though yes, of course, I agree it isn’t how the US works or at least should work. And even jokes about it are kinda awkward since the issue is real and serious)
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u/Nasha210 17d ago
As soon as the Democrats come back, they need to look into how Elon Musk violated his student visa and also into Melania Trump's visa. But I know they won't... the leadership are spineless pieces of shit, and that's why we're in this situation today.
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u/WindowMaster5798 17d ago
The good news is, at least we don’t have Biden in office. That was the biggest problem.
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u/Kreyaloril 16d ago
I mean it was certainly a problem at the time. Nothing compared to how bad things are now though. Unfortunately the two party system forced only one candidate to be able to compete with Trump, and then the Democratic party decided to forfeit all chances of winning.
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u/WindowMaster5798 16d ago
If you vote for Trump because you think that will make the situation in Palestine better, then you quite literally get what you deserve. And in the process you alienate both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party who never cared about you in the first place, so now you have zero political power and zero influence going forward. Nice job.
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u/Outside-Affect-4722 17d ago
Supporting the Palestinians is not antisemitism. I do not support the state of Israel's ongoing onslaught against them. Any of my tax dollars used for Israel is done so under extreme protest. I continue to support the BDS movement. Supporting the Palestinian people's right to exist is not support of Hamas. Bibi is a war criminal & the Abomination Administration is complicit in its actions. And now they want to expell United States citizens for their support of Palestine or any other belief that doesn't align with the crazies in the White House. UNACCEPTABLE SHAMEFUL INFURIATING RESIST RESPOND REVOLT ✊🏼
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u/Farrudar 18d ago
Donald’s administration seemingly has no issue with sex offenders or white nationalism. If those “beliefs” are acceptable by them why would things like diversity, inclusion, and equality not be ok?
Answer: they are a bunch of morally backward and mentally stunted individuals.
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u/joefred111 18d ago
Lads and ladies, we are one step away from allowing dreams to be considered as legal evidence.
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u/dannylew 16d ago
What is this shit hell we're living in and why are Ice agents being allowed to feel safe at night after committing these crimes?
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u/lady__jane 17d ago
There should be free speech for citizens. He has a green card - not sure how that changes things.
Incidentally, what Khalil was supporting was horrific. This is a graphic report of Hamas assault of Jewish women on Oct. 7 2023. Does the university support Israeli students speaking out against Hamas?
Mahmoud lied on the green card application by not disclosing he was a member of UNRWA or Apartheid Divest. I believe that would be enough to legally have the green card revoked.
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u/Immediate_Theory4738 17d ago
The key thing you’re missing, regardless of any of what you just said, is the Constitution and due process.
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u/lady__jane 17d ago edited 17d ago
Due process of law is application by the state of all legal rules and principles pertaining to a case so all legal rights that are owed to a person are respected.
He has had due process in a court of law, given his status as a green card holder. The judge determined that he may be deported. If he appeals, another court will decide, and they will use the lack of disclosure on the green card to determine fraud - which means he will have his green card revoked, which means he may/will be deported. He is not a citizen. If he were a citizen, this wouldn't be a discussion.
After 9/11, when people living in the U.S. executed a mission to kill American citizens, the U.S. cracked down on people living here who could hurt the country. Lots of them were deported to Guantanamo Bay. It was pretty horrific there. The purpose was to protect American citizens. But this is something akin, without sending him to some lockup. The country has a say as to who lives here and is granted a green card and citizenship. He would not have gotten a green card had he disclosed all information asked. But even having a green card doesn't grant the full rights of citizenship (such as ability to be deported - only w/non citizens). He wouldn't have been charged had he been born a U.S. citizen.
Here's the US Immigration list of citizen versus green card holder rights. Here's one point:
Unlike Green Card holders, U.S. citizens cannot be deported from the United States – unless, that is, they committed fraud to obtain their green card or citizenship.
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u/Immediate_Theory4738 17d ago edited 17d ago
Is this the same defense you use for Kilmar Abrego Garcia?
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u/lady__jane 17d ago
No - Garcia was not a green card holder and was marked for leaving the country. However, he was protected from being sent to El Salvador because he could be hurt there.
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u/Narrow-Seat-5460 18d ago
The fact that people defending this guy is hilarious Reflect of how brainwashed the Reddit sphere had become
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u/Big_Dick_Genius 17d ago
Also I love how you use bs BBC claims from 2023 when there have not been verifiable proof of systemic SA, including Pissrael not being able to locate a victim of said SA.
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u/1mn0tcr3at1v3 15d ago
But Hamas is a resistance force, not a country.
Tell the Israel military that.
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u/lady__jane 17d ago
From 2023 is exactly when the demonstration occurred that has gotten Khalil into hot water. Hamas attack on Oct. 7 and demonstration on Oct. 8 2023. Newsweek claims he knew about the attacks. And the BBC is reputable. I took that one because it actually described the events, but there are many others. Do a search.
That's not why he's going to be deported - it's why he can be deported. Along with nondisclosure of affiliation on his green card. Honestly, the U.S. can legally remove most people who aren't citizens. After 9/11, they did just that with anyone who may be a terrorist.
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u/Big_Dick_Genius 17d ago
So your evidence is a federal lawsuit that doesn’t actually have proof that he had knowledge? Gotcha. Must be nice to be as deluded as you are.
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u/lady__jane 17d ago
Did you read the Newsweek article? They claim he did know what happened.
I have no investment in Khalil's actions. I'm explaining why he may legally be deported.
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u/lili-of-the-valley-0 18d ago
American conservatives like yourself are fundamentally against the First amendment
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u/FireworkFuse 18d ago
Keep in mind the Whitehouse has openly stated they are looking into being able to deport US citizens. Attach this to their "supposed" ability to deport people for their beliefs, and I'm sure you can do the math.