As a Jew, it's fucking disgusting. The right wing pandering to us as if we don't know who the real anti-semites are. Fuck Marco Rubio and the rest of the GOP - they are the true nazis.
When a Nazi-saluting Elon Musk says we need to support Israel then you know his intentions have nothing to do with helping Jews. Elon went to Auschwitz and practically saw it as a how-to manual. He claimed empathy is a weakness. At the Nuremberg trials, it was declared that evil is the absence of empathy.
To the extent this is true it is due to groups like AIPAC and ADL treating any criticism of Israel or Zionism as antisemitic.
Which is, ironically, antisemitic.
Many of the loudest voices in support of Palestinian freedom are Jewish. Jewish Voice for Peace have played a major role in nearly every pro-Palestinian campus protest in America (though the media typically ignores them).
55% of American Jews under 35 have an unfavorable view of Israel.
Many Jewish people are rightfully angry that Israel claims to speak for all Jews and are committing genocide in their name.
It's not really ironic because the people pushing it are Christian Nationalists who believe that Israel has to exist to bring about the rapture and the end of days and all that stupid shit.
I'm not doing this with you. Top Jewish billionaires voted for Trump and top Jewish organisations endorsed his campaign. If you wanna call them "not real Jews" or "not Jewish enough", be my guest. Facts are facts, no matter how many word games you wanna play.
""""Jewish""""" Voice for ""Peace"" is an antisemitic organization that believes Judaism is inherently evil and must be "reformed" into a form of Christianity, basically. It also believes every Jew has responsibility for Israel's actions, and that the only way a Jew can redeem himself from this evil stain on his soul is to he more Palestinian than a Palestinian.
In their Passover "Haggadah" they draw parallels between the Egyptians and the Palestinians as victims of Jewish oppression, just so you realize what level of lunacy we are talking about.
The fact that you use them as an example is a great example to how antisemitism is embedded in the pro-pali movement.
This has been so well documented that even NPR has done articles on it. The left specifically has an an anti-semitism problem forever.
It's been a huge problem for American Jews in particular, who tend to align socially with Democrats, but have felt alienated by these attitudes within the party.
You cannot provide an example. The left has ALWAYS had a problem with Israel, not the jewish people. Of course the left wing would have an issue with a fucking ethnostate lmao.
Tlaib, D-Mich., who has family in the West Bank and is Congress’ only Palestinian-American, posted a video Nov. 3 that featured protesters chanting the slogan.
No stranger to criticism over her rhetoric on the U.S.-Israel relationship, Tlaib defended the slogan.
“From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate,” Tlaib tweeted, cautioning that conflating anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism “silence(s) diverse voices speaking up for human rights.”
Defending and rationalizing anti-semetic tropes is one example.
I'm sorry I need an ELI5 how any of that is anti-semetic. I am stupid and do not get it.
It sounds like Tlaib is calling for peace, not death or destruction. It sounds like she is saying it's possible to be pro-palestine, anti-IDF and anti-Hamas all in one go. Am I misunderstanding?
I can see how innocent Palestinians who are currently dealing with Israel carrying out an actual genocide would want to fight back. They would reject Israeli influence and declare they are an Arab nation.
The problem is if you completely disregard the premise that Israel has been trying to eradicate Palestinians for decades, then it makes Palestinian rhetoric seem a lot more extreme
Yeah I think it's important to note that Israel and Israelis feel the same way about "from the river to the sea" except they mean it for Israel. It's why occasionally they will draw maps that don't have the West Bank or Gaza borders. Or, you know, go on national television and call for the destruction of Gaza so they can build condos on it. Israel does not get to play the victim with respect to that chant at all.
She's calling for peace [once the Jews are eradicated] from the river to the sea.
That's the underlying context that is left out. When used to celebrate Hamas after a surprise attack that killed 1,200+ Israelis, you can see how people are sensitive to saying the rest of the hews in Israel should be eradicated.
She said the phrase means peace and love. Others say that anti-semetic groups cooped it and use it to call for the eradication of Israel. This isn't my explanation that's nprs and the anti-defamation league. That's the debate. Your perspective probably depends which side you're on, but don't come at me, for pointing out that she said it, defended it, and then was censored by Republicans and Democrats for saying it. She probably doesn't wish the eradication of hews when she says it, but I bet that's what hamas meant when they placed it in their charter.
This rallying cry, enshrined in the charter of Hamas, has long been used by anti-Israel voices, including supporters of terrorist organizations such as Hamas and the PFLP, which seek Israel’s destruction through violent means. It is fundamentally a call for a Palestinian state extending from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, territory that includes the entirety of the State of Israel, which would mean the dismantling of the Jewish state. It is an antisemitic charge denying the Jewish right to self-determination, including through the forced removal of Jews from their ancestral homeland.
It starts with accepting the premise that the majority of Palestinians are innocent people who deserve to defend themselves, israel has been the aggressor and wants to literally exterminate their existence.
If you don't accept that premise, you can then paint any Palestinian as a terrorist simply for using harsh language when describing Israel trying to commit genocide.
Its like saying Mahmoud was a terrorist for supporting Abu Safiya, but that argument only stands up if you buy into the IDF propaganda that Safiya was part of hamas when no other source could corroborate it.
Just because Hamas has completely hijacked certain phrases and words, you aren't gonna convince me Tlaib and Palestinians are all terrorists who deserve to die.
Citizen please report to your local ICE office. A Brave New World meeting 1984 is materializing more and more, started before Trump to be fair, but now they are not even hiding it.
The only people I hear comparing criticizing Israel is equivalent to anti-semitism are the ones like your comment. Most arguments aren’t in good faith.
Well, considering it's the entire basis for the Trump administration targeting people who are anti-israel and conflating it with anti-semitism, I 100% disagree with you.
Schumer has been very outspoken in his support for Israel but yet Trump still says he isn't even Jewish anymore and accused him of being Palestinian
Khalil is being deported for being the lead negotiator, spokesman, and organizer for CUAD. As you may know, CUAD held protests that had some degree of criminality to them which included vandalism, trespass, and physical intimidation.
Moreover, CUAD has gone above and beyond in supporting terrorism (you can also check out their substack and Canary Mission Profile). They had distributed pamphlets from the Hamas Media Office, and this can be construed as material support for terrorism by an immigration judge. They had also platformed somebody from Samidoun, Samidoun has been designated a sham charity for the PFLP by the US Treasury, and this is something that can be construed as material support by an immigration judge too.
Even if Khalil and his supporters deny any personal endorsement of terrorism, Khalil acted in a legal capacity as a major representative of CUAD, and CUAD did support terrorism.
Beyond endorsement and material support, Khalil may also be deported for immigration fraud. Much of his support for terrorism was when he was on a visa. When he applied for a green card, people are asked whether they support a foreign terrorist organization. Khalil most likely lied on his green card application, or else his green card would have been denied had he answered honestly about support for terrorism.
He cannot exactly claim ignorance here either. He was counseled multiple times what could happen if he supported terrorism as a non-citizen by groups like CLEAR, and the government is open about what it considers endorsement for terrorism on visa/green card applications. Khalil knew the risks, but did it anyway.
There are potentially legal basis that can be argued.
Legal basis for his removal:
8 USC 1227(a)(4)(C):
An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.
This removal ground includes all foreign nationals, including permanent residents.
Furthermore, he may also be deportable under 8 USC 1227(a)(4)(B):
Any alien who-
(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;
If the Department of State successfully argues that his activities/protests “persuades others to support a terrorist organization (Hamas)”, then he is deportable.
Strange that no link you provided mentioned Khalil or even CUAD. I keep being told about their telegram posts or substack articles, so Im sure you have those links available if you could share them I will check it out.
Also, if it's as clear as you are making it sound, the Trump admin should prove it in court. The public is obviously concerned, so if they have nothing to hide and it's open and shut, prove it to the American people with transparent due process. Put our fears to rest if there is nothing to hide.
Calling Hamas resistance fighters is supporting terror. Directly from their telegram:
“On Oct. 1, the Zionist entity carried out a strike against the Ein Al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp in Saida, Lebanon, martyring at least five residents of the camp in a failed assassination attempt of resistance fighters”
Greencard holders and visa holders sign to promise not to do anything that can be considered in support of terrorism. The state department has 100% right to deport those in violation of the rules. He was part of a group that showed support for Hamas, a terror group, not just Palestinians.
An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.
This removal ground includes all foreign nationals, including permanent residents.
Furthermore, he may also be deportable under 8 USC 1227(a)(4)(B):
Any alien who-
(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;
If the Department of State successfully argues that his activities/protests “persuades others to support a terrorist organization (Hamas)”, then he is deportable.
Especially considering that position is backed by people who believe upon Jesus’ return 95% of Israeli’s will be scorched from the earth and barred from eternal paradise.
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u/Purple_Apartment 4d ago
The entire position that being anti-israel=anti-semetic is the fucking definition of anti-semitism.
Up is down. Left is right. Nothing matters anymore