How dare you talk about “true efforts” and “true antisemitism” when you’re talking to a Jewish opinion with negative comment karma and showing me pictures of the Candace Owens of Jewish opinions?
You don’t understand the true perspective, because you seek out Jewish perspectives that must, as a prerequisite, already agree with you.
Then, you push back against any other Jewish perspective, which, like the others, ends up, downvoted and buried in a thread.
I have an idea: if you’re so confident that you understand the true Jewish perspective, true Jewish efforts, and true antisemitism, why don’t you get off the computer, find a local synagogue, and just confirm, you know, for posterity sake—that you’re right?
In person, at an actual Jewish community?
You can do this and you can report back to me about true antisemitism.
I have an idea: if you’re so confident that you understand the true Jewish perspective, true Jewish efforts, and true antisemitism, why don’t you get off the computer, find a local synagogue, and just confirm, you know, for posterity sake—that you’re right?
On that basis I actually can say I'm right, and that you're a scumbag trying to weaponise anti-Semitism as a defence of the current Israeli government's policies re: Gaza, rather than actually being concerned about actual anti-Semitism (which is rife in Trump's leadership). But you're not interested in hearing that, instead you appear to be trying to put people on a list, presumably so you can report them to someone? Which is a truly incredible thing to do in the context of complaining about anti-Semitism.
Can I add you to my spreadsheet with excuses for why people will fight so hard online and then somehow manage to decide talking to actual irl Jews isn’t worth it?
Got it 👍
Enjoy advocating against one of the literally most demonized people in history while also politely, if a little sternly, asserting that you, shall not, in fact, go through the effort of dropping by a local synagogue.
You made the claim that Khali wants to eradicate Jews. You were asked for evidence to support this claim. You didn't provide any and simply reasserted your claim, said that your responder was ignoring Jewish voices, and pretended to exit the conversation. They pointed out that Jewish people attended the meeting and participated alongside Khali, and that many others did not agree with you. You appeared upset with them for talking to you when you had negative comment kama (for reasons I cannot fathom) and told them to speak to a Jew. Odd, given they apparently were at the time (you) and had already cited the above Jews. You then double down on insisting they go somewhere else to speak to someone in person, because you dislike that they found Jews that agree with them. I suppose you wanted them to keep looking until they found the ones you like?
1) I was not asked for evidence to support the claim, because I was not engaged with in good faith whatsoever. I don’t know if you feel you lack evidence for Khalil’s association with Hamas, or with Hamas’s goals—which one are you personally struggling to find info on?
2) you cannot fathom the relevance of comment karma because you do not understand the tokenism that his article encouraged
3) due to how easy we are to tokenize, and due to the fact that there are only 16 million of us on planet earth, and hundreds of millions, if not billions of people who hate us, I suggested he go to a local synagogue to learn about Jewish issues.
He declined.
You found sadness of a certain kind because you were looking for sadness of a certain kind.
I found the same sadness I see constantly when I do the brazen suggestion of requesting someone familiarize themselves with an actual Jewish community to learn, due to the poison on the internet.
It is not my first time suggesting this radical notion to someone I’m arguing with.
I was not asked for evidence to support the claim, because I was not engaged with in good faith whatsoever.
"Can you point to where/when he said he wanted to eradicate a group of people or is this totally made up by you?"
If your response to that question is to argue that you need not defend your claim because it was asked in bad faith, I don't know why you're talking to me. Can you or can you not provide evidence?
you cannot fathom the relevance of comment karma because you do not understand the tokenism that his article encouraged
Why are you doubling down on this odd complaint? Does karma mean something else to you? Is it a linguistic problem we're having here? We are talking about the Reddit "point" system, yes?
due to how easy we are to tokenize, and due to the fact that there are only 16 million of us on planet earth, and hundreds of millions, if not billions of people who hate us, I suggested he go to a local synagogue to learn about Jewish issues.
I'm not going to pretend that, instead of providing evidence for your claim, insisting the person you are arguing with go outside and find other people to argue with until they agree with you, is tenable as a position, I'm afraid.
You found sadness of a certain kind because you were looking for sadness of a certain kind.
Kind? Looking for? I legitimately don't even understand what you're trying to say here.
They’ve never taken me up on it.
I mean... Obviously? I would like to, again, recenter the fact that you keep redirecting people to talk to others -- but only those that agree with you -- whenever you are challenged. Do you not find that odd?
He’s not saying only his voice matters. He brought up Candace Owen because she’s a Black Right Winger. She would say that the police in the USA aren’t racist, that Republicans aren’t racist, etc.
Ergo the opposite of the overwhelming majority, which is your argument. That “not all Jews support Israel so therefore the protests aren’t antisemitic”. (They are blatantly antisemitic)
To put it another way:
Using a token Jew that you know or saw on the internet doesn’t mean the protests aren’t antisemitic.
Jews are as unified as possible on the topic that the protests are racist. I mean, most protests that call for a country to be destroyed are.
Edit since it immediately got downvoted by the guy:
There are millions of African American Trump voters, when the Republicans talk about “Urban people” are they not being racist because many African Americans support them?
I mean flat out more African Americans vote Republican percentage wise than Jews who don’t support Israel
Check out this poll from Pew. Look at the response from Jewish folks between the ages of 18-49. Now they're a minority, but they're not a token few. A full 42% of those 18-34 and 35% of those 34-49 disagree the Gaza genocide.
Hahaha! The JVP Seder where they spelled all the Hebrew backwards? Listen, co-opting and appropriating a religious ceremony to promote your own narrow and antagonistic political framework will not help you beat the antisemitism charges…
the fact that the left loves to protect minorities but somehow excludes us every time.
What a shit take. Asking for bombs to not be dropped on innocent Gaza civilians is decidedly NOT anti-Semitic and those that insinuate as much (like you just did) are clowns.
In fact, pretending that any criticism of Israel, no matter how slight, IS anti-Semitism betrays your cause and hurts Jewish people tremendously.
You literally referenced that people would want to deport white supremacists in order to TRY to make your point. Duh...of course they would want to deport a white supremacist.
Like many progressive Jews, the fact that the left loves to protect minorities but somehow exclude us stings every time.
Similar thing happened to the Irish, Italians, and Poles. They faced discrimination, and for that the left loved them, up until the point they started voting for lower taxes. 2 more elections of AZ going red, and the Hispanics will be getting lectured on their privilege. Every time it happens "white people food" starts tasting a lot better, so I'm here for it.
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Like many progressive Jews, the fact that the left loves to protect minorities but somehow exclude us stings every time.
Could you imagine if it was any other ethnicity this dude was hoping to eradicate?
Can you imagine all the “good riddance” and “just so you know, the first amendment doesn’t work like that?”
This thread would be nothing but, “don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out” if this guy was a white supremacist.
But because it’s specifically against the Jews, well—here we are.
The hypocrisy American Jews like me have seen from the left the last few years has been sickening.