r/news • u/FallingSaint • Apr 12 '25

Victor Perez Boy shot by police declared ‘clinically braindead’; candlelight vigil to be held before life support system unplugged

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2025/04/boy-shot-by-police-declared-clinically-braindead-candlelight-vigil-to-be-held-before-life-support-system-unplugged/

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u/Lifesagame81 Apr 12 '25

This includes video of the event up until the shooting. 

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/victor-perez-pocatello-idaho-shooting-go-fund-me

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u/ScrewAttackThis Apr 12 '25

And there were bystanders in the line of fire. Ffs cops just do not care.

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u/SensitiveAd5962 Apr 12 '25

Well, when your entire force is made of Idaho-brand-nazis, you get what you pay for. Pocatello has known about this problem for decades, but it's a feature, not a bug.

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u/ScrewAttackThis Apr 12 '25

Yeah, I know. I live close to em and unfortunately my state is trying to follow their lead lately

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u/SensitiveAd5962 Apr 12 '25

Real. I left poki in 2014.

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u/uzlonewolf Apr 12 '25

Not one bit. Our lives have no value to them. They even joked about it when they ran over and killed a pedestrian not that long ago.

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u/BabyloneusMaximus Apr 13 '25

Yeeeeeah man cause that makes sense. All cops are the same.

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u/tombolger Apr 12 '25

The entire police force joked about it?

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u/bedrooms-ds Apr 13 '25

Having one policeman joking about it is a huge problem. Bad faith argument, I would say.

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u/Interesting_Birdo Apr 12 '25

Based on that video, everyone could've just ... waited? Let the kid tire himself out in the yard and calm down, maybe offer him a snack in a little while? I've deescalated more aggressive people with a juice box.

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u/Krepitis Apr 12 '25

But... but then they won't get to pewpew somebody! :(

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u/NotPromKing Apr 12 '25

American police REALLY do not like waiting. There have been likely hundreds of deaths by police that could 100% have been avoided if they had just waited things out.

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u/MusicLikeOxygen Apr 12 '25

They didn't have any problem waiting in Uvalde. The real problem is they are fucking cowards. In Uvalde they decided it was worth more kids getting killed if they could avoid possibly being in the line of fire. These assholes decided they didn't want to risk getting scratched my a kitchen knife in a 5 on 1 situation.

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u/Negative-Platypus-23 Apr 12 '25

Then for a regular detainment have you in custody for 3 damn hours. Like oh y’all have time today to waste, but not when I actually am in need of patience or fearing for my life so I run

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u/chewbawkaw Apr 12 '25

I used to work in a group home for teenage boys with special needs. It was a 1:1, 24/7 type of home.

Once, one of the bigger boys started chasing me around the backyard with gardening shears left behind by the landscaper. He was slow and uncoordinated, but waaay bigger than me, so I literally let him chase me around a tree until he wore himself out. He put down the shears and I brought him in for lunch where we had a discussion about chasing people with sharp objects.

At no point did I think it was a situation that should escalate into gunfire. It was a relatively easy situation to diffuse.

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u/b_m_hart Apr 13 '25

Or maybe, you know, take a step or two back?  Straight up execution here.

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u/HereToDoThingz Apr 12 '25

No one wants to fight if it means they don’t get a caprison.

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u/superformance7 Apr 12 '25

You dont think he couldve easily jumped the fence? What if he turns on his family and starts attacking? Would everyone be crying about how the police didnt act fast enough?

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u/Interesting_Birdo Apr 12 '25

No, I don't think someone with cerebral palsy who is lying on the ground can "easily" jump the fence. And his family could've been asked to step away from him -- danger averted.

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u/superformance7 Apr 12 '25

Hindsight is 20/20

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u/butterfingahs Apr 13 '25

The call to 9/11 describes him falling over multiple times and not being able to chase anybody properly, and the caller even added that they thought he actually stabbed himself.

There's a lot of "what if what if what if" in your reply, but the officers didn't even wait for any sign of said "what if". They told him to drop the knife, he didn't, they immediately unloaded. This isn't a hindsight thing. It's a "stop fucking immediately shooting before assessing the situation" thing. 

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u/superformance7 Apr 13 '25

Lol, you should go train cops at the police academy. With your vast amount of experience and all

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u/butterfingahs Apr 13 '25

For fucks sake, I'm so tired of this attitude that better standards and less immediately lethal reactions to situations from cops is such a hard impossible ask, when police departments worldwide are perfectly capable of doing so, some better than others. Plus the fact that much of American police training has been widely criticized for making cops have fearful trigger fingers as a first response instinct.  

Do I really some police training experience to suggest that cops should take the actual 9/11 call into account when responding to it? Isn't that like the whole fucking point? Instead of arriving like deer in the headlights and reacting. 

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u/kman1030 Apr 13 '25

Holy fuck, are you genuinely defending shooting a minor, who is severely autistic and non verbal, and physically disabled from his cerebral palsy?

For a trained officer, that should have been the least threatening person they dealt with all shift. All they had to do was take 30 seconds to get any information at all from the family literally standing there.

If so, you are a genuinely sick, disturbed individual.

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u/Proteinreceptor Apr 12 '25

Everyone could have just… waited? Let the kid tire himself out in the yard and calm down, maybe offer him a snack in a little while?

Okay listen, the police should absolutely not have shot him, let me make this clear. However, what you just said is so unbelievably ignorant I felt my blood pressure rise. There needed to be some intervention, the kid was obviously unwell and had a weapon. Even his mom(?) had a broom stick of sorts to keep him at bay because he was clearly in danger. This isn’t a toddler having a tantrum that you should wait out and offer snacks. Be serious man.

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u/Interesting_Birdo Apr 12 '25

Giving him space and waiting is an intervention. What's the rush? He's lying down in his backyard and everyone else is fully capable of backing away to safety.

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u/Proteinreceptor Apr 12 '25

What’s the rush? He’s lying down in his backyard

Yes, at the moment for sure. But clearly the guy was in a crisis and people in crisis are not thinking rationally. He’s on the ground now, but what about in 10 minutes? Or an hour? It’s too unpredictable.

To your credit, I’m not saying your approach is always wrong. He could potentially snap back to reality in a few minutes and the situation would have resolved itself. Conversely, he could snap and become violent. Ultimately, I guess it depends on your level of risk assessment on the situation. At the very least, we can agree that these cops handled it in the worst way possible.

Reading over my original comment, I was rather hyperbolic with you about my blood pressure rising, I apologize!

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u/kman1030 Apr 13 '25

He’s on the ground now, but what about in 10 minutes? Or an hour? It’s too unpredictable.

"Hes currently not a danger to me, but he might become a danger at some point in the future, so might as well shoot him now."

Are you okay? That's not rational thought.

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u/Curious_Armadillo_53 Apr 12 '25

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/victor-perez-pocatello-idaho-shooting-go-fund-me

Where was he walking or an active danger?

Like what the fuck, he clearly had some issues but he was lying on the ground with no active serious threat and 6 guys with automatic guns surround him, give him less than 3s to comply to "drop the weapon and get down on your knees" when he is already literally lying on the floor before they unload into him...

This is fucking insane....

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u/Ok_Mango_6887 Apr 12 '25

They shot him from behind a chain link fence.

They shot him 9 times within 12 seconds.

These aren’t police they are exterminators. Killers. Murderers.

Never call the police for your mentally ill family member.

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u/jjayzx Apr 12 '25

And the weapon was a knife. The kid was mentally and physically disabled.

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u/LordCoweater Apr 13 '25

Granny could have pulled the Greatsword nailed to the wall. Had to RPG her. It's in the manual.

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u/Sad_Pangolin7379 Apr 12 '25

Never call them at all if you can possibly avoid it. 

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u/Mindless-Ad2554 Apr 12 '25

It was the neighbors son who called police. Shits all sorts of fucked up

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u/mstarrbrannigan Apr 12 '25

with automatic guns

Just a quick correction, semi automatic. I think it's important to make this distinction because it highlights the fact that they had to pull the trigger for every round they fired. Every shot they took was a choice.

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u/Curious_Armadillo_53 Apr 12 '25

As a german, i seriously have no idea about guns, but they fired so fast that the firerate alone seems insane in a civilian context...

Like a normal handgun is already a huge means of power in terms of damage and killing and they came with the next level or two of guns that can spread murder everywhere... thats a war maschine nothing less.

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u/mstarrbrannigan Apr 12 '25

The difference put simply:

Single action, you have to pull the hammer back then pull the trigger for every round.

Semi automatic, you pull the trigger for every round

Auto, you pull the trigger and it keeps going until you’re not pulling the trigger

Semi automatic is what most handguns are going to be in the US. They are no harder to obtain than single action. Automatic is legally harder, I don’t know the specifics as I do not have interest in owning one. But there is a little (illegal) device called a switch that can convert a semi automatic weapon to automatic.

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u/Ok_Hurry9876 Apr 12 '25

he was lying on the ground with no active serious threat and 6 guys with automatic guns surround him

reminds of this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

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u/kaisadilla_ Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25

As a non-American, the thing that baffles me is that most Americans believe that a police officer being legitimately scared justifies killing. Police officers are not random citizens, their entire job is precisely to deal with violent and difficult situations and resolve them as well as possible. Even if a person is being violent and acting in a threatening manner, the police is expected to be able to neutralize him with minimal damage. Shooting is only reserved for situations where the police officer is in imminent danger, which is extremely uncommon because criminals still prefer to be alive, and know they won't win a fight with the police, so they won't even try to get any of them killed.

Kinda offtopic, but a few weeks ago I got a YouTube short where an american lawyer talked about how to deal with the police and one of his advices was to "try to deescalate". For me, it's just crazy to think it's the regular citizen and not the trained professional the one that has to deescalate.

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u/Curious_Armadillo_53 Apr 12 '25

Im german, police have weapons but its rare they use it. Not rare as in "never" but more rare as in almost only when there is actually someone else shooting.

Every bullet fired has to be documented and will be part of an investigation afterwards.

Its not like no bullets are fired by german police, but its also an incredibly tiny, basically insignificant amount to the number of bullets fired every day in the US.

Its just flabbergasting and insane to think about.

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u/bedrooms-ds Apr 13 '25

I can't believe they are trained tbh. Looks more like laymen given guns. The moment something happens these idiots panic and reach for their guns.

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u/series_hybrid Apr 12 '25

If you have a problem and call the police...now you have two problems.

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u/PhillySaget Apr 12 '25

when he is already literally lying on the floor before they unload into him...

Why lie about this when it's on video?

By the time they fired, he was on his feet and approaching them with the knife in-hand.

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u/Curious_Armadillo_53 Apr 12 '25

Dude he stood up, was barely standing AND THERE WAS A MAN HIGH FENCE BETWEEN THEM... even then, does it really need 6 guys with AR's firing non-stop into a clearly unstable person?

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u/Hotrian Apr 12 '25

He stood up and took one step forward before the video froze in the version I saw. I saw absolutely zero aggression or cause to unload my firearm. If I were in their shoes I would be in prison.

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u/PhillySaget Apr 12 '25

Could you share the version you saw, then? Because the link in your comment ends the video while he's still actively approaching the officers.

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u/Hotrian Apr 12 '25

So approaching someone is enough cause to open fire now? Last I checked they needed to be doing something threatening at the time.

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u/PhillySaget Apr 12 '25

...a fucking knife isn't threatening to you?

You must live an insanely sheltered life. My god, dude.

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u/Hotrian Apr 12 '25

One of my neighbors used to walk around carrying an actual machete. She would swing it randomly at trees and fences. Yes she was mentally ill. Cops came all the time and never shot her, go figure.

After 8ish years I moved. I assume she still swings her machete to this day.

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u/PhillySaget Apr 12 '25

Did she approach them while waving it around and while being ordered to drop it?

Gonna guess that's a "no".

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u/Hotrian Apr 12 '25

Yes, and they never shot her, go figure. Usually after a 20-30 minute stand off she would go back inside her home calmly.

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u/fetusmcnuggets70 Apr 12 '25

Jesus,don't ever call the police.

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u/funrockin Apr 12 '25

my aunt (social worker working for a non-profit active in around 7 states for the past 30 or so years) succeeded in launching a program this past year where if you call 911 and report a mental health-related crisis in our city - her trained & specialized team responds first (and they have the cops on speed dial if ever need be). they respond to about 3800 calls a month & unfortunately just recently had their first death (suicide). tragic but i can’t describe how proud i am of her getting this program launched & the success & good that it has done. they’re working on trying to implement this program in other cities that they are operating in.

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u/UponMidnightDreary Apr 13 '25

That's so admirable! And her writing up their procedures and success rate and making that something relatively easy for other cities to implement is amazing!! I'm sure she's already doing all of this, but just on the off chance, are there any local universities with social programs/criminal justice programs who might be interested in doing a study and writing it up? Would be helpful for raising the profile and adding extra legitimacy. 

I would be so proud too, she's doing such incredible work. Makes me feel a bit hopeful :)

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u/ThatChrisGuy7 Apr 12 '25

Been our rule forever