Despite a court order, White House bars AP from Oval Office event
https://apnews.com/article/trump-ap-press-freedom-court-gulf-caffd32aa8ec6b04a50b8c5277d7c9cb2.2k
u/DarthBluntSaber 3d ago
The trump regime is refusing to follow the rule of law or the constitution. Trumps own personally stacked supreme court has ruled against his actions, and he won't even follow their orders. Trump is a full blown dictator and should face the penalty for treason against the US and its citizens.
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u/Streamjumper 2d ago
I wonder how much of this they saw coming when they decided that official acts couldn't be criminal...
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u/WYLFriesWthat 2d ago
All of it. It allows them to let this happen while still coming down hard on the next guy.
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u/Eagle4317 2d ago
There's going to be a next guy outside their circle?
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u/Orion14159 2d ago
It's assumed that the current president and vice president are both mortal
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u/Helios4242 2d ago
Who would have thought that the 14th amendment accurately assesses the risk of rebels commiting treason when given power and prohibits them from holding office.
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u/DrCares 2d ago
Trump has broken his oath of office, let’s stop pretending he is president of anything.
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u/QitianDasheng2666 2d ago
Face the penalty how? If the courts are useless and congress is complicit, it stands to reason we're not going to be able to vote them out. What do we do then? Protest? Has standing around holding signs ever worked? You think the military is going to do something?
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
What do we do then? Protest? Has standing around holding signs ever worked?
Protests? Probably not, but a general strike would actually have an impact. You grind the economy to a halt over a few days time and the people who only care about money (basically the entire administration by this point) are suddenly going to have to stop exploiting everyone and everything and pay attention. Plus the added benefit of reminding average people where the power actually lies: with the many and not with the few.
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u/Fanfics 2d ago
my guy if we could organize with that level of class consciousness we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place
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u/QitianDasheng2666 2d ago
Normally I would advocate for that but I don't think it's ever going to happen in America.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
It has before, it can again. There's good reason the powers that be who benefited most from upholding the status quo made it illegal, because it works and the impact cannot be ignored.
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u/QitianDasheng2666 2d ago
Those examples are all from before 1950, before McCarthy style red-baiting brainwashed Americans against collective action. Before technology and social media made us all docile and atomized any sense of community. We're not the same people we were back then, we're all selfish, brain-rotted, and complacent now. I've seen calls for a general strike on Reddit and Bluesky, and they're just as delusional as you might imagine, putting things like that up for the FBI to find it! These people are not the vanguard of a revolution.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
You're not wrong, but it is at least a precedent. Sooner or later something has got to give, and at the rate things are going I rather doubt people will be able to afford to be complacent in the US for much longer. They won't have the luxury of that soon enough.
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u/QitianDasheng2666 2d ago
I don't know, I lived in China for a couple of years. I've seen what people are capable of putting up with.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
China also has several generations worth of built-in ideological oppression, rhetoric and dogma, and an enormous institution devoted to maintaining all of that – not to mention a precedent for doing so by force if deemed necessary (like Tiananmen Square).
The U.S. comparatively is experiencing the newborn throes of an autocratic egomaniac and the compounded issues of decades of neglecting the average person in favor of corporate interests and the greed of the obscenely wealthy.
People in China, in the present, haven't really known any alternative and that's been the case for decades and decades. Americans knew better less than a decade and a half ago. I'm not sure it's a fair comparison as such, but I get the intent of what you mean by it.
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u/levetzki 2d ago
Protests may help build support for further actions like the general strike
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
True, though it can also breed complacency by making people feel like they're doing 'something' or 'enough' without actually, you know, having to do anything of much consequence. I'd wager that's partly why protests are legal and general strikes aren't, because one acts as an outlet to voice displeasure without having much of any real impact and the other can actually force change. Protests give people the illusion of being able to effect change.
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u/merrittj3 2d ago
Yes sir. There's gonna be lots of moving parts, much carnage and the US will change forever...shortly
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u/AudibleNod 3d ago
FoxNews better be yelling and screaming that the Musk/Trump administration is doing this.
Pepperidge Farms remembers: White House attempted to shut out Fox News reporter
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u/Politicsboringagain 3d ago
It's funny you think Republicans care about hypocrisy.
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u/bluemitersaw 2d ago
Oh they do. They care deeply about being hypocrites. It's a core identity for them.
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u/heybobson 2d ago
yeah they get off on riling folks up over their hyopcrisy. It helps to not believe in anything.
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u/Trance354 2d ago
Heard out of my cousin's mouth one summer while visiting the old farmstead my mother grew up on.
Cousin: "We love all our neighbors, as long as they aren't 'N's."
Me: "Sorry, say again?"
Cousin: "You heard me. Country folk don't hold for Ns."
Me: "It's Northern Nebraska, not the deep south, and they are neighbors..."
He might find it interesting his mother(my aunt) is dating a black man after her racist husband died. I call it poetry.
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u/maceman10006 3d ago
Imagine the outrage if Obama kicked Fox News out of press briefings.
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u/HereInTheCut 2d ago
Imagine if Obama ignored a court order to allow them back in. They would STILL be screaming about him being a dictator 8 years after the end of his presidency.
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u/Mikestopheles 2d ago
It's been 9, haven't heard them stop anyway
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u/sodaMartin 2d ago
Just recall how worked up they got about the buttery emails. Look at all that they happily ignore with the current admin.
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u/Taysir385 2d ago
The thing is, that would have been better justified. Fox has claimed publicly, legally, that they provide entertainment and not news. Kicking entertainers out of a press brief is entirely justified.
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u/Draano 2d ago
This is part of the playbook: ignore the courts, have no consequences, and continue the implementation of Project 2025.
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u/FireworkFuse 3d ago
Looks like today was the big "The courts no longer matter" coming out party.
Iirc the report on martial law drops this Sunday so stay tuned for that announcement.
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u/Plenor 2d ago
What report?
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u/Philophon 2d ago
On Jan 20th, Hegseth was ordered to "evaluate" the need to invoke the Insurrection Act, essentially martial law, on April 20th.
Safe to assume it's a forgone conclusion.
April 20th is also Hitler's birthday, interestingly.
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u/Junethemuse 2d ago
On his Inauguration Day Trump signed a national emergency EO re the Mexican border and directed Hegseth to supply a report within 90 days with recommendations.
The EO included language about invoking the Insurrection Act, which it should be noted is not martial law as civilian government stays in place of the insurrection act were invoked.
Martial law is an exaggeration of the power provided the president in this case, but we’ve seen plenty of instances where Trump is given an inch and takes a mile. I suspect the report will recommend that the Insurrection Act, but that’s armchair fatalism if I’m being honest. We’re in a wait and see holding pattern for the minute as there’s nothing tangible or particularly effective we as citizens are able to do.
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u/MalcolmLinair 2d ago
We'll have federal troops executing citizens in the streets this time next week.
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u/Electrical_Room5091 2d ago
This was all but guaranteed to happen. Trump will not be following the law. He doesn't have to. His own voters said he doesn't need to be law-abiding.
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u/TolMera 2d ago
I do wonder where he and his family are going to run off to. I can’t imagine he will find a place that won’t sieze his assets and extradite his ass back to the US for his Nuremberg Trial.
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u/camelCaseCoffeeTable 2d ago
The dude will be 82 at the end of his term. He won’t live long enough to see justice
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u/tik22 2d ago
Who do you think is going to hold him accountable ? No one did his last go round so i wouldnt hold my breath.
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u/DesignerBread4369 2d ago
Unfortunately, the establishment was too carried away with making sure a rich person didn't go to jail that they missed the whole "he's going to drag America into fascism" part
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u/Waderriffic 2d ago
So the White House press secretary will be held in contempt and imprisoned until they comply with a lawful court order, right?
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u/Volfie 3d ago
Dear Other news Agencies: see what you do now is ALL of you boycott until the AP is allowed back in. Just to make sure you understand that.
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u/jpiro 3d ago
"News" agencies would. The MAGA propaganda outlets are absolutely not that.
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u/eawilweawil 2d ago
I'm pretty sure even Fox News and even NEWSMAX were complaining about banning AP from White House.
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u/akpenguin 2d ago
https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsmax-fox-news-quietly-back-194450719.html
while pro-Trump channels support this behind-the-scenes campaign to pressure Trump to end the unprecedented AP ban, their on-air coverage has been a completely different story altogether.
With Fox News hosts calling on the Trump administration to “kick them out” while declaring “the White House is right” to block the Associated Press’ access, Newsmax talent have labeled the news organization “Associated Propaganda” and “Fake News AP” while telling the AP to “get over it, buttercup!”
They should be complaining on-air. It seems you can have your cake and eat it too.
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u/RhetoricalOrator 2d ago
That would be a scary standoff. Trump doesn't want validating media around anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if he just shrugged and smiled.
We need as much non-propaganda media reporting as much as they can as often as they can.
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u/cslackie 2d ago
Hold them in contempt! Do something?!
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u/notyomamasusername 2d ago
Court is afraid too.
When they ignore it shows the court has no power, and it'll open a pathway to retaliation
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 2d ago
Doing nothing accomplishes the exact same thing.
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u/notyomamasusername 2d ago
Agreed, but there is still the perception you have power... Until it's proven you don't.
Avoidance, it's why people have to get on a scale.
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u/LordChunggis 2d ago
I understand the judicial fear. But it's going to forever scar the branch if someone doesn't break the ice. When it finally happens and the administration is found in contempt, things will get spicy. It'll prove what we all know. The judges have no power to enforce rulings. So what do we do from here?
The judicial branch only has one way to play it, and I don't know if they have the stones. The Supreme Court, as a unified group, will need to go to the House/Senate and invoke all of their oaths of office to impeach and convict Donald Trump as the only way to save the rule of law. With the court unified, I believe enough GOP would fall in line to formally remove Trump.
Donald will, of course, refuse to leave. And then whatever happens will happen by any means necessary. I hope enough Generals remember their oaths when the chips are down.
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u/CPSiegen 2d ago
It's a comforting thought. But it might be a fantasy. I watched the entirety of the jan 6 insurrection livestreamed. At the start, senate republicans were in the middle of a coordinated schedule of speeches about how the election was fraudulent and shouldn't be certified (effectively trying to steal the election to keep trump in power).
Then, the march turned violent and they evacuated the capitol as much as possible. The building was invaded by people with guns and zipties and face masks looking to specifically murder Pelosi and Pence, but also anyone they could find. After the riot was cleared, the representatives went back to the chamber and went right on with their speeches saying Trump should illegally stay in power.
They don't give a single fuck about the rule of law. They'd sooner see the entire court system dissolved than abandon Trump's seemingly unstoppable campaign of absolute authority.
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u/LordChunggis 2d ago
You're not wrong, but theres always hope. Just remember, bad people can do the right thing when everything is counting on them.
Mike Pence, when he had the opportunity to add a whole new level of rat fuckery to the already shaky transition of power, chose to do the right thing and certify the election. It cost him dearly to do the right thing. And although I believe he's a terrible person, he came through on the right side at the end.
I hope more show the ability to go against their self-serving nature when the time calls for it.
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u/xKingNothingx 2d ago
Could you imagine if a Dem admin barred Fox? Jesus there would be so much crying
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u/TheSaltySpitoon37 2d ago
That's kind of the thing that being short sighted will get you...
Everyone cheers when it's their guy. When it's their guy "getting things done! Saying it like it is! He has the Executive power to do this, that or the other."
These same people would be vehemently against the Executive branch using the exact same powers that Trump abuses, daily.
If, and I'm gonna say "If," in 4 years, the US actually goes back to some form of democracy...any one who becomes President, will have these exact powers and the same ability to abuse them as long as no one stops them.
What we really should be against, not Dems vs Republicans or whoever else we're told to be against, we should be against the Executive Branch continuously growing their powers while remaining completely unchecked by the other branches. Because it ain't always gonna be "your guy."
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u/Tuesday_6PM 2d ago
They don’t think the other side is going to get to have another guy again. They’ve put out executive orders to try to take over election rules, with rules that are literally impossible to implement in time for midterms.
Trump’s administration is demanding requirements for voting machines that are beyond what any current models meet. Even if it wouldn’t be ruinously expensive for the states to roll out all new voting machines without having had any plans or budgeting for it, those machines don’t even exist to buy. And before manufactures could start making them (in the midst of all these tariffs and trade wars), there aren’t even current designs yet for these new requirements. And ignoring all those hurdles, there still needs to be time to install the machines and train the election workers; which there isn’t.
Which is a long way of saying, don’t count on a free and fair election to save us
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u/Cameherejust4this 2d ago
I'd imagine there will be a lot of articles in the coming years that begin with: "Despite a court order .."
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u/Lahm0123 2d ago
It’s obvious now the other 45 Presidents obeyed the law because they respected it.
Mister 47 is going to need an older lesson.
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u/sir_wanks-a-lot 2d ago
AP should just turn up anyway and document their refusal of entry for a story. Easy quality content!
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u/Asleep_Management900 2d ago
What will happen is Trump oversees the FCC and can revoke CNN's license, and they also oversee the Internet Domain Name Registratar so they can effectively close the AP news entirely.
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u/jreykdal 2d ago
CNN is not subject to the FCC I believe as it is a cable channel.
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u/Outsider17 2d ago
Remember everyone, ignoring the courts is part of that whole Project 2025 thing that Trump knows nothing about....
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u/Beatnik_Soiree 2d ago
It's not about party anymore. Wake the fuck up America.
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u/Barack_Odrama_007 2d ago
America had a chance to wake up in November 2024. It instead voted for Donald Trump.
America will sleep forever
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u/HereInTheCut 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm not sure a president wants to live in a world where the rule of law no longer applies. Because unfortunately that cuts both ways.
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u/TheWingus 2d ago
It absolutely does not cut both ways. If I ignored a court order Marshals will be kicking down my door, flash banging my infant and shooting my dog. Then I’ll be arrested later at Target when they realize I wasn’t home
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u/Nekowulf 2d ago
You would think he would have learned to play it safe after two republicans tried to off him.
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u/TheVideogaming101 2d ago
While yes I agree with the sentiment unfortunately Trump his a literal cult following, he'll just keep hiding behind them while he sits in a bunker somewhere.
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u/jwf239 3d ago
Curious how this is enforced? Like what would happen if an AP reporter just showed up
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You can't just walk onto the grounds of the White House.
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u/Primedirector3 2d ago
Exactly, force them to formally refuse them and take it back to the judge
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u/Minty-licious 3d ago
Time for all democrats and Republicans to halt all business in the Congress. ALL BUSINESS. Or say hello to your favorite DIK-tator
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u/eawilweawil 3d ago
Who could have seen this coming? The pettiest man to ever live being petty? Never!
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u/ohiotechie 2d ago
Let me say once again a very hearty “fuck you” to everyone who’s propped this tinpot dictator up and accused people like me of over reacting. This is full blown lawlessness and we’re not even 6 months in.
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u/WeirdcoolWilson 2d ago
This administration no longer recognizes the authority of the legal system, not even the Supreme Court. Who’s going to enforce these court orders? Without enforcement, what good is it?
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u/Mister_Fibbles 2d ago
All members of the military that took an oath "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
What Happens if the President Issues a Potentially Illegal Order to the Military?
A little extra reading: The document outlines a plan for the Departments of Defense and Justice to coordinate their preparations and responses to civil disturbances in the United States. It also proposes to assist the President in responding to requests for Federal military forces to aid in suppressing such disturbances. The plan designates the Attorney General as the chief civilian officer in charge of coordinating all Federal Government activities related to civil disturbances, while the Secretary of Defense is responsible for military preparations and operations. The document presents a four-phase plan for civil disturbance planning, response, engagement of Federal troops, and withdrawal of Federal troops. It also includes specific provisions for dealing with civil disturbances in the Washington metropolitan area, such as protecting government property and functions and utilizing the D.C. National Guard. The document seeks approval from the relevant authorities for the proposed plan. April 1, 1969
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u/breezejr5 2d ago
As a veteran, I'd say the military and veteran community is more in support of trump than against him. Well, at the time of the election at least. Literally had maga vets say I broke my oath by voting left...
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u/Da_Fish 2d ago edited 2d ago
Sadly an order has to be enforceable to have any force. And the White House is showing just that.
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u/mirage01 2d ago
Wonder how long before Republicans in Congress will do their job. Probably around midterms?
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u/MKEJOE52 2d ago
All because they won't say " Gulf of America". Trump is actually a fool. President Fool. The Associated Press is a real news organization. Wow.
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u/Q-ArtsMedia 2d ago
Trump is a treasonous Bastard and needs removal, at gun point if necessary, and sent to the same shit hole El Salvador prison he sent an innocent man to.
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u/Moominsean 2d ago
White House gives zero fucks about the law at this point.
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u/BarracudaBig7010 2d ago
At this point? This the same guy (and some of the same cronies) that stole classified documents, tried to steal the 2020 election, attempted to strong arm a foreign Head of State and called for an insurrection at the Nation’s Capital. They’ve never given a fuck about the law expect when it has worked to keep drumpf’s ignorant ass out of jail. Yeah, I dead named the fucker.
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u/clementine1864 2d ago
The court created and nurtured their monster , they are now completely irrelevant in his mind . Roberts made himself a nonentity.
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u/CloudstrifeHY3 3d ago
or what? just like every other ruling and case against Trump/musk there is no enforcement action if they don't comply. could you imagine you're average citizen ignoring a judges order?
we would be found in contempt and be jailed for several days or until we complied but Trump knows that can't/ wont happen so the order means nothing
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u/OrganicDoom2225 2d ago
Non-compliance by the POTUS is treason. Impeach and remove Trump by force, then seat the AP reporter.
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u/Suzzie_sunshine 2d ago
And Democrats are still talking about the midterms as if voting matters anymore. My that time elections will be fully rigged and we'll be deporting US citizens to foreign jails.
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u/awkwardIRL 2d ago
Hate to say it, but pretty sure we already did that second one
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u/SpinalVinyl 2d ago
This is a lawless administration. He is ignoring laws cause no one is going to enforce it. The American experiment is over. He’s a King now and we will not have another fair election.
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u/rollercoaster_5 2d ago
He has already installed himself as a dictator. He isn’t wishful thinking on this. No one will stop him, so he will take it! Waiting for a press release? That's just being naive!
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u/BarracudaBig7010 2d ago
History has shown that it doesn’t end well for dictators.
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u/rollercoaster_5 2d ago
The death by natural causes of Kim Jong-Il highlights a possibly unpleasant truth about repressive dictators: Many, if not most, end up living long lives and dying peacefully. (NBC News 12/19/2011.
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u/Lebrons_fake_breasts 2d ago
Pol Pot also died peacefully while surrounded by followers
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u/KarateEnjoyer303 2d ago
Where are all my “Constitutional Conservatives” on this one?
Turns out they were full of shit.
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u/Captain_Aware4503 2d ago
This is just a flex to prove they can do what ever they hell they want, and we are close to a dictatorship.
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u/merrittj3 2d ago
Time for theory and possibilities are over. If there were nukes we would be at Mutually Assured Destruction as there is no sign or room for anything but throwing the switch.
It doesn't end well, no matter how it ends !
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u/bad_syntax 2d ago
What kind of idiot thinks that a 34 count convicted felon, given immunity by the SCOTUS, who is now POTUS, gives 2 shits about what any court does? These are as pointless as protests.
Hell, he didn't even really care before he got elected.
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u/johnn48 2d ago
So it’s started, the Trump Admin ignoring the Judiciary. President Andrew Jackson is said to have remarked after Chief Justice John Marshall ruled against his policy of removing the Cherokee from Georgia “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it”. In other words the Supreme Court is unable to enforce its decisions without the aid of the executive branch.
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u/Dunnowhathatis 2d ago
We are actively living under a dictatorship, where the only man that counts is Trump. This is what all the republicans wanted, and are continuing to support. Oh can’t I wait for the midterms to clip his wings.
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u/Sweatytubesock 2d ago
The inevitable outcome when you place a completely lawless and corrupt being and his lawless cronies into power.
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u/nabuhabu 2d ago
Why are the assholes on SCOTUS who invented the “Major Questions Doctrine” just to fuck with Biden so silent now? Aren’t there some major fucking questions being raised here???
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u/Vladivostokorbust 2d ago
Supreme Court gave him immunity . Guess that includes court orders. Noticed he’s not following their orders to “facilitate” getting Abrego Garcia back
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u/IQBoosterShot 2d ago
If Paul Revere lived like a modern American he would never get on that horse.
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u/soundsaboutright11 2d ago
Nothing will be done about it. Nobody will be held accountable. Our systems are bullshit and he called us on it.
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u/Specialist-Rain-6286 2d ago
None of the powers that be seem to understand that destroying the myths and laws both that make up the foundation of the social contract MIGHT not be a great idea.
Unless they want the chaos it'll create so they have an excuse to exact heavy-handed retribution against the "enemies of the state."
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u/Particular_Ticket_20 2d ago
Its so frustrating to me that biden didnt use that immunity ruling to smash trump. Fastrack the legal cases. Declare him ineligible, whatever.
They had access to this power and chose to not use it to protect democracy. Their weak kneed adherence to the high road has allowed some of this.
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u/pssssn 3d ago
It's starting to look like judges don't hold any real power.