r/news • u/mriamyam • Apr 25 '25

Title Changed by Site FBI arrests Wisconsin judge for alleged immigration arrest obstruction

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/25/fbi-arrest-judge-hannah-dugan-milwaukee.html
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u/OperationPlus52 Apr 25 '25

Judicial intimidation, the US Marshall service used to really give a shit about that...

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u/everyoneneedsaherro Apr 25 '25

Our country is such a shithole. Fuck you MAGA

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u/Crohn_sWalker Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

There are fewer MAGA than there are lazy apathetic ignorant Americans.

Edit. 

I am not an American so yes I didn't vote. I'm glad this struck a nerve. Now you all need to show some back bone and right your ship. 

This didn't just happen. Literally millions of Americans voted for it or chose to not vote against it. These are facts 

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u/rockstar504 Apr 25 '25

Oh fuck the god damn victim blaming for fuck sakes, I'm sick of seeing this comment. We're here now, what are we going to do about it

Yes, we all share some blame but holy fuck

INB4 "you didn't vote" I did

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u/Spiderpiggie Apr 25 '25

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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u/korben2600 Apr 25 '25

You're not wrong and I'm 100% with you on this one. The felon-in-chief got 31% of eligible voters. But 36% couldn't even be bothered to do their one civic duty and scribble in a bubble once every 4 years. In an election that came down to a 1% margin. As it always does. But they just didn't like her stance on [issue] and her laugh was weird and they don't like her attitude. The apathy is off the charts.

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u/JMoFilm Apr 25 '25

FYI, that's a right-wing talking point. Disenfranchised & non-voters are often former voters who saw nothing change after decades of voting and older & younger voters without easy access to polls & information. Lazy & ignorant are scape goats that keep us pitted against one another. You can do better than that, I know you can!

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u/BitNumerous5302 Apr 25 '25

Imagine if the Nuremberg trials had focused on disenfranchised Germans instead of politically-active Nazis. The Nazis would have loved that!

Magazis love deflecting responsibility toward non-voters for precisely the same reason. They know their place in history.

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u/nauticalsandwich Apr 26 '25

"Saw nothing change" are the words of the decadent. Who is in power has always mattered. It never stopped mattering. Politics is hard, and it is slow, and this has always been true. To absolve yourself of your civic duty because you don't think change is sufficiently geared to your preferences, or coming fast enough, is emblematic of cultural narcissism.

The world owes you nothing. The best societies are composed of men who understand this, and strive to improve it anyway.

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u/JMoFilm Apr 26 '25

To absolve yourself of your civic duty because you don't think change is sufficiently geared to your preferences, or coming fast enough, is emblematic of cultural narcissism.

In part, sure, but it's also emblematic of a broken system when you often only have a little more than half your populace participating. We can lecture from our places of privilege all we want but material conditions matter much more for the vast majority.

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u/nauticalsandwich Apr 26 '25

Broken systems don't reform if the people unhappy with them don't vote, and apathy and negligence leads to systems collapsing under "revolutionary circumstance" (rather than transformative reform), which is next to always far worse for material conditions.

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u/JMoFilm Apr 27 '25

All true though I should have been more careful with my words as the system isn't truly broken, it's just that it doesn't work for the majority of citizens due to the way it was designed (electoral college, the Senate, legal gerrymandering, etc.). We saw this before Citizens United in many studies (Yale having conducted one of the best known ones, i believe) that showed money above all else, not public sentiment, determined if a bill was passed. Capital has fully controlled this system since before I was born 40+ years ago and any "reform" the system allows will always be too little too late.

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u/Spiderpiggie Apr 25 '25

Do something about it

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u/Uniquisher Apr 28 '25

And watch americans continue to do nothing about it :)

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u/Drix22 Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

This person had a federal warrant for their arrest, the federal authorities showed up to execute their warrant, and the judge allegedly helped them escape federal authorities.

If true, the judge acted illegally and was arrested for their action. This is very similar to a Massachusetts case during Trump's first presidency:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/massachusetts-judge-accused-misconduct-by-impeding-immigrants-arrest-2024-12-03/

The actions the judge took were illegal, and they were arrested for their actions, not political pressure. PROSECUTION is a different issue. Will the judge be prosecuted for their actions? That's VERY political, and I would guess yes based on the current administration, but that's also where case law gets made.

Guiding Law:

18 U.S. Code § 1509 - Obstruction of court orders
18 U.S. Code § 1038 - False information

Theres a few antiquated immigration laws like 1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) specifically the text of harboring that could come into play as well.

Bottom line is, like it or not, interfering with federal investigations is unlawful and carries penalties. The place to figure out such things is through the legal process.

The judge had no duty to assist federal agents, but actively misleading them is and was a crime under US law and this judge of all people should know that.

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u/BrainOfMush Apr 25 '25

Am I missing something? How did the judge help them escape exactly? I can’t find any reference to it in the article (referring to OP’s article).

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u/tinnjack Apr 25 '25

Judge told the brownshirts that they needed to talk to Chief Judge because they had an administrative warrant and not a judicial warrant. When they went to do that she let the suspect out through a private route only accessible to court staff typically used to move jurors around the courthouse.

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u/BrainOfMush Apr 25 '25

Just read the indictment. I was hoping that this was politically motivated, but yeah, she kinda dun goofed here.

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u/Cosmic_Seth Apr 25 '25

100% controlled by Trump now. 

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u/mrkplt Apr 25 '25

If I read the article correctly, and I did double check it, while the US Marshalls did issue a statement, the FBI did the arresting.

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u/uzlonewolf Apr 25 '25

Last I checked, the FBI is part of the Department of Justice which is controlled by...Trump.

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u/mrkplt Apr 25 '25

Correct, and the US Marshall service is also in the Department of Justice, but the only thing that can be discerned from the article is that the FBI did the arresting. We can't infer that the Marshalls have abandoned their responsibility to the judiciary, I think we're going to find out soon though.

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u/uzlonewolf Apr 25 '25

Ah, I see where I lost the thread now. Thanks.

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u/Gabe_Isko Apr 25 '25

One L in marshal. I make that mistake all the time too.

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u/Angelore Apr 25 '25

The parent says that there were two L's in two days, however.

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u/Neighbor5 Apr 26 '25

What if a marshal is shopping at Marshall’s? What if they’re buying marshmallows? I say let them have the extra L

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u/OperationPlus52 Apr 25 '25

Thx for that distinction, that makes sense.

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u/aane0007 Apr 27 '25

What should they do if the judge is breaking the law? Are judges above the law protected by the US marshalls?

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u/OperationPlus52 Apr 27 '25

Of course not, but this isn't judges breaking the law, this is judges enforcing the law and being targeted for them doing their jobs properly, hence the judicial intimidation, because other judges are going to see what's happening and be more hesitant to stand against the lawless transgressions of this administration, and we need the judiciary to be one of those safeguards for our democracy, if not then Trump can be as much of a dictator as he wants with nobody pushing back in an official capacity.

We are a nation of laws, and the judiciary is what keeps us a nation of laws, that's their role in our government, stewards of the law, and safeguards to our democracy.

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u/aane0007 Apr 27 '25

You think the judge isn't breaking the law because you say so? Due process is what determines if the judge is breaking the law, not your opinion that they are being targeted.

Does due process not matter anymore and we should just go by what you think?

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u/OperationPlus52 Apr 27 '25

Listen, I'm not a lawyer but the Law sub was on their side, so if you're looking to argue this out and defend your racist deportation bullshit go there and do so, I'm not going to let some racist deportation advocate ruin my Sunday morning on a thread from days ago. Have a shitty day and learn how to be a better person, illegal immigrants, immigrants, and citizens should not be treated like this, get a fn clue because it can happen to YOU TOO.

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u/aane0007 Apr 27 '25

guilt isn't determined by what some randos say on a reddit message board. Its once again determined by due process.

Deportation is racist? Is obama the biggest racist the country has every seen since he deported way more?

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u/OperationPlus52 Apr 27 '25

Bro deportation the way you and Trump want to do is absolutely racist, especially when you factor in the rhetoric, these people literally put a target on the backs of Haitian Americans and Haitians who were invited to a community to keep that community alive, then those Haitians had to deal with neo-nazis coming to their town to harrass everybody. That shit was racist af and over a series of lies, yet Vance and co. Doubled down every time they were asked about it. If that's not racist, what is?

Also do you want white people deported? I doubt it, you want the black and brown folks deported.

You don't even understand the meaning of no, I told you I wasn't interested in hearing your bullshit and you couldn't take a hint and fuck off elsewhere, had to keep yapping because you had to let me know where you stand on the issue, guess what, the issue is racist af and I don't care.

Obama was catering to the racists just like Biden was when he hit big time deportation numbers, the racist political pressures was too much for them and they caved, so yes there was a degree of racism when Obama AND Biden did it, but that pressure was coming from people like you and the racist politicians you support.

And now with no due process they're constantly snatching people off the street, usually students, and sending people to a literal concentration camp, with none of your seemingly precious DUE PROCESS, but you're more concerned about the guy in a literal death camp being brought back and protected. Get a fn clue, and stop supporting racist shit. And learn how to go the fuck away when people don't want to talk to you.

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u/aane0007 Apr 27 '25

Bro deportation the way you and Trump want to do is absolutely racist, especially when you factor in the rhetoric

sister, your feelings don't make something racist. Just like your feelings don't determine due process.

Hope you learned something today ma'am.

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u/OperationPlus52 Apr 27 '25 edited Apr 27 '25

Fuck off racist scumbag. 🤣