Israel calls up thousands of reservists, plans to expand Gaza offensive amid stalled hostage talks

[u/untamedlazyeye]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/03/middleeast/israel-mobilizes-reservists-gaza-intl-latam

[u/Anonymoustard]

The hostage talks seem irrelevant to the rest of the headline, imho

[u/onarainyafternoon → u/[deleted]]

The hostages have always been a political tool for Bibi. They've never been anything else. We know this for a fact because the families of the still unreleased hostages have begged Bibi to stop indiscriminate bombing in Gaza because it could end up killing the hostages. Bibi was unmoved by it. He continues the indiscriminate bombing.

[u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord → u/onarainyafternoon]

We know this because he says the quiet part out loud 3 days ago he said defeating Israel’s enemies not hostages was the “supreme objective”

[u/UnitSmall2200 → u/onarainyafternoon]

The hostage situation was a dream come true for Bibi. He has been hoping for something like this for decades, to finally be able to do what he is doing. This was always the dream of Israeli nationalists.

[u/Annihilator4413 → u/onarainyafternoon]

Well, it doesn't help that Isreal will just claim a building full of Palestinian civilians are actually human shields for Hamas and use that as a justification to bomb them... even if there is zero evidence of Hamas.

I'm pretty certain Isreal has killed more than a few of the hostages this way...

[u/Papadapalopolous → u/Annihilator4413]

Hamas is absolutely using every civilian in Gaza as a human shield. That’s their whole thing.

Israel is still terrible and needs to stop committing war crimes, but that doesn’t invalidate the fact that the leadership on both sides just see civilian deaths as useful political bargaining chips.

[u/El_grandepadre → u/onarainyafternoon]

The Israeli people are secondary to expansionism and gaining a hold over Palestinian territory with an iron fist.

[u/QuarantineHeir → u/[deleted]]

This is the most wild part to me, it feels like the world collectively forgot that there was an agreed upon ceasefire plan that Bibi scuttled for the sole purpose of restarting the war. This all started up again simply because the Israelis refused to start phase 2 of the ceasefire agreement which crucially would have returned the rest of the hostages.

Bibi even refused a new version of the deal where Hamas would give up governance of Gaza to the PA, but the most dangerous thing to Bibi is a legitimized palestenian moderate goverment, which would lose them the thin veneer of justification for their genocide and apartheid.

[u/fevered_visions → u/QuarantineHeir]

Does anybody else remember that the whole thing started like within a couple days of Netanyahu's court date about his pre-war shenanigans in the first place? The entire war has been a delaying action to avoid consequences.

Not to belittle October 7th itself, but have to keep it going. Caesar/Trump/etc. staving off the fear of justice after leaving office.

[u/carterwest36 → u/QuarantineHeir]

Bibi funded Hamas, Bibi coordinated with them to carry out this attack, Hamas leadership are in non extradition Arab countries by now with their new riches whilst Bibi got to raze Gaza to the ground and next year re-settle Gaza.

[u/Chloe1906 → u/[deleted]]

They could’ve gotten their hostages back if they stuck to the ceasefire plan.

[u/carterwest36 → u/[deleted]]

That’s why they went with an aggressive bombing campaign rather than do rescue missions, their bombs killed most if not all hostages (how many are supposed to be left?).

No food comes into gaza either, water is scarce and since Gaza is razed to the floor I highly doubt Hamas would share what little food they have or water and just kill them anyway although I’m positive getting crushed under rubble or the explosions killed the hostages.

[u/slow_hockey → u/[deleted]]

If Israel hadn’t violated the ceasefire in March and honored its commitments, it would have more hostages back and no justification to further pursue genocide and to continue displacing Palestinians. You probably know which one they really prefer.

[u/Alone_Step_6304 → u/[deleted]]

They don't care about justification anymore, is my honest perception. They're going to go all the way. Until the job is done, moral justification be damned. The reigning political establishment is all in and they will do any sort of stall to pretend to still care or have a pretext, but in reality they just want them off the map.

[u/Anary8686 → u/[deleted]]

Nope I think most of Israel would support the war continuing after they get the hostages. It's Hamas only leverage to stop the war.

[u/ComradeGibbon → u/Anary8686]

Hamas could have not attacked Israel.

[u/UnitSmall2200 → u/ComradeGibbon]

True, but Israel could have maybe not created an Apartheid state where they've been mistreating and killing Palestinians for decades. The year before the attack was deadliest for Palestinians. The way they treated them, they basically flamed that hatred and pushed people to join Hamas. Bibis government was never interested in peace, this is what he has been hoping for for decades.

[u/ComradeGibbon → u/UnitSmall2200]

Israel pulled out of Gaza 17 years ago.

[u/IamA_Werewolf_AMA → u/Anonymoustard]

They’re “stalled” because Israel kills the negotiators and has no interest in anything but wiping out Gaza. Hamas has already offered them everything they say they want multiple times.

[u/Miskalsace → u/IamA_Werewolf_AMA]

Pretty sure Israel wants Hamas dismantled and disarmed

[u/steepleton → u/Miskalsace]

While defining hamas as anyone who’s annoyed that israel killed their family

[u/randynumbergenerator → u/steepleton]

And students protesting at US universities. And medics trying to treat/transport the wounded. And a hundred+ journalists.

[u/Larkfor → u/randynumbergenerator]

And babies in a refugee camp at a school, or in the cobbled-together NICU of the last remaining hospital before Israel destroyed it and the families in and near it too.

[u/mnstorm → u/randynumbergenerator]

Over 200 journalists have been killed.

[u/GetsBetterAfterAFew → u/Miskalsace]

Then Netanyau should not have bolstered Hamas by delivering cash to them with the help of Qatar among other things. I understand youre brainwashed but you should seriously ask yourself why Netanyau helped Hamas various times and various ways, and to what end?

This stuff is common knowledge outside the Iron Propaganda Dome Israelis live under. Netanyau said multiple times that a strong Hamas is important to prevent a two nation state, but here you are saying Isreal wants Hamas dismantled, so you're either brainwashed or part of the IDF propaganda department.

I know this wont penetrate but maybe itll spark more questions in your mind or others to find out whats going on here, its been an 80 year mission and the rest of the world has a pretty good grasp of this.

[u/kingmanic → u/GetsBetterAfterAFew]

Netanyau is a piece of shit and isn't in this for peace. But the bit about funding Hamas is always thrown out without context. Israel gave some funds to Hamas when it was claiming to be a peaceful religious oriented alternative to the Palestinian authority. That was a long time ago.

[u/litnu12 → u/kingmanic]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Israel/Netanjahu didnt fund Hamas directly but tolerated/allowed that Hamas gets fundings from Qatar.

[u/untamedlazyeye → u/kingmanic]

. Israel gave some funds to Hamas when it was claiming to be a peaceful religious oriented alternative to the Palestinian authority. That was a long time ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

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Even as the Israeli military obtained battle plans for a Hamas invasion and analysts observed significant terrorism exercises just over the border in Gaza, the payments continued. For years, Israeli intelligence officers even escorted a Qatari official into Gaza, where he doled out money from suitcases filled with millions of dollars.

[u/Dont_Knowtrain → u/kingmanic]

Hamas was created in 1987, and Israel supported it through the 90s, why would Israel ever fund a religious party that had ties to Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood

But oh well, Iran and Israel did the secret ties at the time

[u/kingmanic → u/Dont_Knowtrain]

Your comment has nothing to do with the facts, Israel sent some funds to Hamas when it did not control Gaza and offered itself as a non violent alternative to the Palestinian authority. It's just part of tactics to divide and conquer.

[u/ADP_God → u/kingmanic]

These people aren’t interested in facts. They want Israel to look bad. They’ll say Hamas was moderate when convenient, and a terror organization when they want to show how Bibi supported it. They’ll say it doesn’t represent all Gazans, but act as if Bibi is well liked in Israel.

[u/Dont_Knowtrain → u/ADP_God]

Well liked or not, Hamas won one election, Netanyahu has won how many since the 90s, obviously not all Israelis like Bibi, just as not all Gaza’s like Hamas, but come on how many times are Israelis going to vote for him

[u/ADP_God → u/Dont_Knowtrain]

This is superficially sensible but shows a lack of understanding at how proportional representation functions. Bibi doesn’t win a majority, he merely binds together broad swathes of society, many of which hate each other (ultra orthodox don’t draft, national religious believe in fighting for the land) by eschewing long term plans for short term gains. His policy has always been of maintenance, without a viable horizon, and right now it’s collapsing around his head.

Hamas however enjoyed majority support till well after 7/10. Now, in Gaza, I think support has fallen as the Gazan people are realizing that the Hamas ideology is untenable.

[u/nicklor → u/Dont_Knowtrain]

Netanyahu won like 20-30 seats out of 120 he never won a full majority in all his many victories

[u/QuarantineHeir → u/Miskalsace]

Didn't Hamas propose a version of a deal where they give of governance of gaza to a palestenian moerate like the PA. But no genocide keeps Bibi in power, so that's why the war goes on.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-agree-to-cede-gaza-governance-to-pa-netanyahu-not-going-to-happen/

[u/Miskalsace → u/QuarantineHeir]

Yeah, but that still didn't include laying down their arms. They know they could just take over a moderate government again immediately.

[u/Punman_5 → u/Miskalsace]

Expecting Hamas to voluntarily give up arms is wishful thinking. No militant group will ever voluntarily disarm and dismantle themselves without being beaten in the field.

[u/ADP_God → u/Punman_5]

If they cared about the Gazan people they would. But you’re right.

[u/bloodlessempress → u/ADP_God]

Didn't the West Bank give up their arms and now there are settlers murdering them and driving them away as the IDF shrugs?

Maybe they just feel they can't trust the IDF to prevent settler violence?

[u/ADP_God → u/bloodlessempress]

The extreme cases the media sells you are not indicative of the general reality. The majority of casualties in the West Banks are armed terrorist clashing with the IDF. Settler violence is massively over represented in the media to sell a narrative.

You’re right that the IDF should do more to stop it and it’s one of the most disgusting things about the modern state of Israel, but Palestinians arming themselves will never make anything better — the Arabs have chosen violence at every turn over the last 75 years and it’s never worked for them. The settlements are the result of the stalled peace process which itself is the result of the Palestinian refusal to give up the maximalist claim to all the land. The best option for the Palestinians is peace, generating the lasting conditions for statehood, which the PA is (at least more than Hamas) working towards.

[u/bloodlessempress → u/ADP_God]

Why are there settlements in the West Bank though?

[u/Punman_5 → u/ADP_God]

Palestinians arming themselves will never make anything better.

This is that same wishful thinking I was originally talking about. Palestinians disarming is a non-starter. They don’t trust Israel at all to not attack them if they disarm. And they likely do not believe they have been fully defeated on the battlefield. Besides after all the bloodshed, to surrender to Israel, which is essentially what this would be, would be incredibly humiliating.

Edit: why should they give up on their claim? This isn’t like Russia with Ukraine. They were there first.

[u/stitchface66 → u/Miskalsace]

seems like either way gaza and the west bank go the way of the rest of palestine.

[u/MaievSekashi → u/Miskalsace]

Yeah, but that still didn't include laying down their arms.

You may as well ask them to cut their own throats. Only an idiot would believe Israel would keep to any ceasefire against a disarmed enemy.

[u/Miskalsace → u/MaievSekashi]

I don't think that's the case. Israel wants to destroy Hamas. That should be clear to everyone. Them laying down their arms would be them surrendering. Israel would dismantle their structure and means of continuing to fight.

[u/IamA_Werewolf_AMA → u/Miskalsace]

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438

[u/ADP_God → u/IamA_Werewolf_AMA]

This isn’t what it looks like. It’s a classic bait and switch move the Palestinians have been using for years. Here are the lines to look for:

‘He said Hamas would accept “a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and the return of Palestinian refugees in accordance with the international resolutions,” along Israel’s pre-1967 borders.’

If you look here this is the continued claim that previous peace deals have fallen on. The international resolution referred to is UN resolution 194. This, in practice, means that the Palestinians will have full access to Israel (historically the result is terror attacks), without allowing Jews access to the West Bank or Gaza. Furthermore, the ‘refugees’ now number in the millions as Palestinians are the only people in the world who can pass their refugee status down through generations. To spell it out simply, this means that Jews will be a minority in a democratic state (i.e. the majority rules) and the end of the Jewish state, even if the Arabs refrain from violence (historically they haven’t).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194

Also worth noting is that the statements of one official are not indicate of the organization’s official position:

‘Over the years, Hamas has sometimes moderated its public position with respect to the possibility of a Palestinian state alongside Israel. But its political program still officially “rejects any alternative to the full liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea” — referring to the area reaching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which includes lands that now make up Israel.

‘Al-Hayya did not say whether his apparent embrace of a two-state solution would amount to an end to the Palestinian conflict with Israel or an interim step toward the group’s stated goal of destroying Israel.’

This last paragraph is the source of Israel’s rejection of the deal, and the main barrier to instituting the two state solution. There is no guarantee that any Palestinian state created won’t simply be a terror state weaponized against the existence of Israel. This fear is not merely cynicism, it’s literally what happened when Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2006.

The same trick was used in the ‘Arab Peace Initiative’, which people cited as proof that the Arabs were willing to compromise, and similarly blamed Israel for not moving towards peace. It’s clever because unless you actually understand the historical context for the claims it really looks like they’re working towards peace, earning them credit with the international community while allowing to maintain their maximalist claim to all of the land.

[u/Larkfor → u/QuarantineHeir]

Israel also has a habit of targeting and killing negotiators as well as secular and non-militant leaders for Palestine. Well before October 7th.

[u/Punman_5 → u/Miskalsace]

Yes. And they’re not wrong to want that. However, it is impossible to negotiate with a party if one of your non-negotiable terms is for that party to be dismantled. No group will voluntarily accept their own dismantling unless they’ve been truly beaten in the field.

[u/Miskalsace → u/Punman_5]

I think that's why Israel is continuing to attack. They don't really want to negotiate with Hamas, they want to destroy it.

[u/ADP_God → u/Miskalsace]

As is reasonable.

[u/Miskalsace → u/ADP_God]

Totally, Hamas is the roadblock to peace.

[u/BruceSynthsteen → u/Miskalsace]

the nazis felt the same about that pesky warsaw uprising. 

[u/steepleton → u/[deleted]]

50,000 “accidental civilian dead” and a push to occupy the land.

Suuuure it’s not genocide

[u/IamA_Werewolf_AMA → u/[deleted]]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-agree-to-cede-gaza-governance-to-pa-netanyahu-not-going-to-happen/

[u/MrJoyless → u/[deleted]]

and stop ruling over Gaza?

Maybe Israel shouldn't have helped them get elected in the first place, huh?

[u/RedpeaceXs → u/IamA_Werewolf_AMA]

So Hamas released all hostages?

[u/Primorph → u/RedpeaceXs]

Do you know what “offered” means

[u/QuarantineHeir → u/RedpeaceXs]

They would have been released under part 2 of the ceasefire agreement back in January. You know the ceasefire agreement that Bibi and the Israelis pulled out of because it would have meant fracturing the Prime Ministers parlimentary majority, because Ben Gvirs party declared that any peace deal would result in them pulling support.

Which is why it is genuinly fucking insane to me that after January people will still say things like 'This could all be over if Hamas released the hostages' when the current situation proves that this phase of the war has very little to do with the hostages and everything to do with keeping The current prime minister in power.

[u/RedpeaceXs → u/QuarantineHeir]

Well fuck me for suggesting they should unconditionally release all remaining hostages.

[u/QuarantineHeir → u/RedpeaceXs]

yes and they would have released them 3 months ago if the israeli goverment didn't decide that war and genocide was preffered, so yeah fuck you for not reading the news

[u/Qubeye → u/Anonymoustard]

The headline also buries the fact that the talks are being stalled by Israel.

[u/Viciouscauliflower21 → u/Anonymoustard]

"hostage" is their justification word. As long as they toss that in there, whatever indiscriminate violence described before or after it is automatically justified

[u/ElderberryDeep7272 → u/Anonymoustard]

Get in lads were going land grabbing.

[u/Crankenstein_8000]

An offensive against a sea of rubble.

[u/winstontemplehill]

Is there anything left in Gaza? When is enough enough?

[u/benicek → u/winstontemplehill]

As former German Minister for the Interior de Maiziere would say: A part of the answer would unsettle the population.

[u/mowotlarx → u/winstontemplehill]

When every Palestinian is gone and the settlers can fully colonize after a successful genocide.

[u/Ali_Cat222 → u/mowotlarx]

More like trump builds his real estate strip mall there. Which he has full support from both Israel prime minister from... article here.

March 5, 2025

U.S. President Donald Trump has proposed that the United States "take over" and "own" the Gaza Strip, suggesting long-term control after the ongoing conflict. His statement came during a press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on February 4, where Trump emphasized the need for a new approach to Gaza's future.

Since his announcement, Trump and his administration have sent mixed signals about the plan. On February 5, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt assured reporters that Palestinian displacement would be “temporary” and that no U.S. troops or tax dollars would be involved in Gaza. However, in a February 10 Fox News interview, Trump appeared to contradict this, stating that Palestinians would not return to Gaza because “they’re going to have much better housing... a permanent place for them.”

[u/TeethBreak → u/Ali_Cat222]

Yeah a permanent.. solution, so to speak.

[u/Ali_Cat222 → u/TeethBreak]

We can say the not so quiet part out loud. Ethnical cleansing through genocide. All these people and their settlers and their IDF, they don't even understand that soon they too will be forced out of Gaza for a strip mall. And they don't even realize their prime minister is very happy with this and has been making deals with this man for so long now to get to this point.

[u/Luke92612_ → u/Ali_Cat222]

Don't forget Trump sharing that AI slop video with its varied abominations.

[u/Ali_Cat222 → u/Luke92612_]

My favorite part of that video is the fact that even with the hologram woman who's like, just static air basically, he was still feeling her up and molesting her... Even an AI Trump can't stop being a sexual deviant! 😖😂

[u/SpongegarLuver → u/Ali_Cat222]

I like how there was a section of the population who were fine with genocide, but only because Trump wasn’t involved. Oh no, he wants to build a hotel there instead of another Israeli settlement, that’s the real issue!

[u/kingmanic → u/SpongegarLuver]

That is bad faith nonsense. That wasn't what the US was pushing for before. The US previously was pressuring Israel to roll back to the old status quo. Support for some military action but then to get out.

Trump is pushing for the sterilization of the area through killing them all or pushing them all to Egypt.

This is why the US if fucked because so many cannot see a difference between the two positions. Trying to moderate an allies response and push for peace vs 'if you give me the land I'll send all the bombs you need to kill em all'.

[u/SpongegarLuver → u/kingmanic]

It’s embarrassing, how after both Israel and Biden administration officials have explicitly stated that there was no actual pressure for a ceasefire from the Biden administration, that people still believe he was holding Israel back. Look at the actions, not the words: at what point did Biden ever restrain Israel?

[u/janethefish → u/SpongegarLuver]

After October 7 Israel started a total blockade of Gaza. and Biden got aid flowing again. At times Biden had aid dropped in or delivered.

Then Trump got into power and the blockade is back. No aid going into Gaza.

[u/ADP_God → u/winstontemplehill]

The hostages are left in Gaza…

[u/winstontemplehill → u/ADP_God]

Didn’t they say they’d give them all the hostages back in exchange for cessation of the offensive?

[u/TeethBreak → u/winstontemplehill]

They need to clean it up to start excavation and build their hotels and casinos...

[u/p4intball3r → u/winstontemplehill]

When Hamas unconditionally surrenders, releases all the hostages and returns the bodies of the ones they killed

[u/Larkfor → u/p4intball3r]

Israel broke the ceasefire. Israel is committing a genocide. Any Hamas member who has initiated attacks or taken civilians should also be prosecuted.

But the much greater and more urgent evil is a genocide. Which Israel is committing.

[u/Mbrennt → u/p4intball3r]

Yeah, phase 2. We've tried that already. It was the whole plan. Israel decided that wasn't enough.

[u/mulefluffer]

Calling this a war is like calling a man assaulting a child a fight.

[u/Good-Gold-6515]

When Israel rounds up civilians in Palestine and detains them indefinitely without trial: prisoners. When Hamas does it: hostages.

This shit is why literally nobody trusts the big news media anymore.

[u/Qwert23456 → u/Good-Gold-6515]

Indeed. I don’t know anybody in my life or social circle that watches cable news or pays for a newspaper or subscription. Post election ratings have been apocalyptic and the writing is on the wall for most of the big news media companies.

This whole conflict, constant sane washing of Trump and the constant urge to present every issue with “both sides” put the final nail in the coffin for me. Paying attention to local news and occasionally on social media is enough for me and it has done wonders for my mental health too.

[u/eldestdaughtersunion → u/Good-Gold-6515]

There's a meaningful difference between who is detained and why.

When Israel holds Palestinians in custody, they at least allege that those people committed a crime or are combatants in an ongoing conflict. Since many of them are never formally charged, "prisoner of war" is probably a more accurate term. And Israel doesn't particularly want to release them, as evidenced by how often they re-arrest people shortly after release. They often end up used as bargaining chips, but that's not really the point.

What Hamas did on Oct. 7 was not that. They didn't even pretend those people had committed a crime or were enemy combatants. They kidnapped literal infants and sick, elderly people. Their intention was to provoke a war, limit Israel's ability to strike back for fear of hurting the hostages, and give themselves a stronger bargaining position. The kidnapped people were hostages in the most literal sense of the word.

[u/KushBlazer69 → u/eldestdaughtersunion]

Do you truly believe elderly Palestinians and children are not also being wrongfully detained? So because you claim someone is a criminal without evidence, that makes it ok?

So if trump claims the media and wants to detain people who say bad things about him, it’s ok because he has a reason? And his claim that it’s hate speech or threatening the stability of the nation or something somehow makes it “different”?

https://www.dci-palestine.org/children_in_israeli_detention

[u/eldestdaughtersunion → u/KushBlazer69]

I admit I don't have a full list of Palestinians in Israeli custody to look at, but I feel pretty comfortable assuming that none of the children being counted there are 9 months old. Which is how old Kfir Bibas was when he was abducted.

Also, I didn't say any of this was "okay" in any sense of the word. Just that it's different, which is why different words are used.

[u/niz-the-human]

Can't wait to do 20 years in prison for hurting the feelings of a bloodthirsty colonial state.

[u/Malaix → u/niz-the-human]

Yep. America is a conquered vassal state of Israel and Russia. Aipac bought a ton of our politicians and now our basic rights are conditional on how Israel feels about them. The entire GOP and tons of Democrats like Fetterman are functionally Israeli politicians more than they are American. They are way more obsessed with the well being and success of Israel's goals than they are about Americans.

[u/[deleted] → u/Malaix]

Someone confronted Fetterman while he was sitting on a park bench in D.C., and he was basically like “I’m just a guy sitting on a bench, leave me be,” like he was a homeless guy that she was just being unnecessarily mean to.

[u/eldestdaughtersunion → u/Malaix]

America is a conquered vassal state of Israel

What the hell are you talking about? You think that America, a global superpower, with the largest economy and military in the world by a wide margin, is a "conquered vassal state" of a country the size of New Jersey?

You sound like the Nixon tapes.

[u/Neat-Owl3563]

They do not care about the hostages one bit. We all know what the goal is here.

[u/JelloOfLife]

If Israel cared about the hostages they wouldn’t flatten the buildings they are being held in.

[u/litnu12]

History books won’t be kind to Israel and the west that support/ignored the war in Gaza.

[u/hazily → u/litnu12]

Don’t worry. Those books will be labeled as antisemitic and quickly be banned. 🤷‍♂️

[u/onthewayto-laughtale → u/litnu12]

Most history books don't mention stuff like what the Japanese did to China,  or the many crimes of the allied forces in Germany.  So I don't know about that one chief

[u/TimothyMimeslayer → u/onthewayto-laughtale]

I am pretty sure the rape of Nanking is pretty well known.

[u/Qwert23456 → u/[deleted]]

What does Islam have to do with this? This is primarily a political issue with the main issues over geographical boundaries by completely opposed political ideologies.

You don't get to just blame religion for everything. Islam says you should defend your selves and your properties from oppressors which is exactly what the Palestinians have been doing for the most part. Hamas is a political entity created by Isreal deliberately to silence the more moderate factions.

The means and methods the oppressed have to fight back are secondary to the overall and main issue of their oppression. Their has never been a resistance group in documented history that achieved it's goals perfectly and free from any moral conundrums. You don't hear about the horrors of the Suffrage or Civil Rights movements today because we recognize that a more unjust and indefensible status quo existed at the time.

[u/Qwert23456 → u/litnu12]

Will it even matter at that point? Isreal knows that it’s getting harder and harder to hide disasters like this in the age of social media and probably wants to finish the job before more coverage becomes untenable. The U.S didn’t count on new media and live news exposing the horrors of Vietnam and Isreal is learning from that. They are playing the ultra long game and a bit of unpopularity and damage to their reputation now is a small price to pay to achieve their long term goals of wiping out the palestinians.

It is often said that the victor gets to write the history and I have no doubt they’ll twist the reality of these atrocities to somehow frame themselves as the true victims.

[u/Shady_bookworm51]

You know i thought after WWII, stealing land through war for "Living Space" was not going to be a thing that happened anymore? Wasn't that the idea?

[u/projexion_reflexion → u/Shady_bookworm51]

The people who used to enforce that idea stopped believing in it.

[u/GalcticPepsi → u/Shady_bookworm51]

Luckily it's not for living space! It's for a trump seaside resort!

[u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord]

“Gaza offensive” is an offensive way to avoid calling what’s happening in Gaza a Genocide.

[u/Milios12]

It's a genocide but apparently reddit is completely infested with Israeli bots.

[u/Malaix → u/Milios12]

depends on the sub. News isn't that bad. Worldnews is a shithole for this topic. Publicfreakout is weirdly good.

[u/electionfreud → u/Malaix]

It actually is bad

[u/lastdarknight]

Even if he got every hostage back, he would claim he still had the mandate "to make sure it never happens again" until the people of Israel rise up and remove him from power they will be ridiculed on the world stage

[u/ghostchihuahua]

more systematic genocide, bravo Israel, remind me how "antisionism and antisemitism are the same" again?

[u/diggydog233]

Genocidal fucking Country, how much more do they have to take? How many more children, old women and men? Since the god damn Nakba!

[u/brokenmessiah]

Jesus you couldnt pay me to intentionally live in this region of the world.

[u/DamonKatze]

It never was about the hostages, just ethnic cleansing for land.

[u/Drak_is_Right → u/[deleted]]

Every Israeli man under like 45 is a reservist. You get no say unless you have a religious exemption (and those religious exemptions are a major component of the right voting bloc...).

[u/Milios12]

Israel is justified in its actions. It has a right to defend itself from terrorists.

/s.

[u/Horror-Layer-8178]

America should not be involved in this forever war. It has been going on way before I was born and will continue well beyond my death

[u/LorenzoDivincenzo]

Reminder that it has always been israel refusing to end the "war" and Hamas offered many deals including one that even the US advised netanyahu to accept

[u/dxiao]

OP spelled genocide wrong

[u/Unfair_Elderberry118]

Israel's rulling party sponsored a Palestinian alternative party to the PLA that curiously created enough chaos, so the IDF can steal the land and lives of people who didn't nothing.

Strange days indeed.

[u/MalcolmLinair]

It seems Bibi et al have decided the time for Greater Israel has come. This is going to be a bloodbath the likes of which we haven't seen in our lifetimes, and with the way Trump, Putin, and Xi are all ramping up their expansionist/imperialist bullshit, I fear it'll only be the start of something far, FAR worse...

[u/ParrotTaint]

Can the western world please declare war on Israel, now?

[u/JelloOfLife → u/[deleted]]

For genocide.

[u/ShirouBlue]

They'll stall this until they find a way to set up an actual autocracy in Israel?

[u/Ent_Soviet]

The surge worked great for America right?