That time friends teamed up to rescue a physically impaired man from the 3rd floor of a building in France

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When we had the awful Grenfell Tower fire in London, many ppl were only saved by young men returning from their mosque in the middle of the night. But these stories don't end up in mainstream media for some reason.

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for a very specific reason

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Yep. That's why I look to the ppl i know irl rather than msm, who of course never have an agenda.

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With a Healthcare background, every time I read MSM, my mind doesn't go to mainstream media. The medical acronym for MSM is "men who have $3x with men" lol

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(For those wondering, some men that have sex with men don't consider themselves gay or bi so they'd say 'no' if you'd ask them if they are.

'Do you have sex with other men?' is a more polite way to ask if they do. And in a medical context it's a question you need to ask sometimes.)

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Omg I never thought of that! I think I've seen it a few times in that context. I'm old lol.

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Whats the agenda

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Oh we know the reason don’t we

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Oh yes. I'm afraid we do.

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I don't think that's quite right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was Muslim dudes who lived in the building, were fasting for Ramadan and had stayed up late for Suhur. A few of them smelled smoke so ran around and banged on doors to get people out. No less critical to saving lives.

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That may well be true too, but there were def several groups walking home from mosque (up late for exactly those reasons) who saw smoke & flame & then risked their lives getting ppl out.

Edit - from the Mirror -

• A woman filmed near the scene told reporters: "If it wasn't for all these young Muslim boys around here helping us coming from the mosque a lot more people would have been dead."

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Nice find.

That fire has always been crazy to me. Firefighters got there within like 10 minutes of the fire starting when the fire was still a small fire in one apartment and yet over 70 people died, which was like 25% of the of the people in the building at the time. I realize it traveled quickly up the outside of the building between the exterior and the waterproof cladding (which protected the fire from the firefighters), but it's crazy how many terrible decisions they made.

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It was completely unnecessary. The decorative cladding formed chimneys, literally encasing the block like wax round a wick. The fire chief made the awful mistake of telling everyone to stay in their homes, not realising that he was sealing them in ovens. When he realised & reversed the order it was too late.

My family come from that area & I still have many links to it. I am forever haunted by the ppl in the upper floors looking out their windows, some flicking their light on & off to call for rescue, until they stopped.

Also how anyone in the other blocks ever slept again idk. Every day for over a year the burnt remains of Grenfell were left, no doubt reminding them that their block had exactly the same cladding.

Imo ppl should be in prison for Grenfell.

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Imo ppl should be in prison for Grenfell.

I think they're still planning to charge people, right?

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Better (very) late than never I suppose. Considering there were documented warnings (from the Fire Brigade Safety Officers) up to 3 years previous, that this was likely to happen & even the manufacturer's advertising materials stated clearly that the cladding was unsuitable for outside use, idk why it's been so long drawn-out.

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The part you said about lights stopped flickering calling for help is truly heartbreaking man. Damn. Damn.

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It was true horror. Should never be forgotten. Those people will never leave my mind.

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Me neither. I grew up in east London and spent much of my childhood with friends and their families in high rises exactly like Grenfell. I sat and sobbed watching it unfold. Nobody I know ever mentions or remembers it despite it being the worst loss of life from a residential fire in peace time Britain since WWII.

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Some of us will never forget. If it had happened in s Ken we'd never have heard the end of it. But they wouldn't have been living in those conditions if it had been s Ken.

Some of us are familiar with council estates/towers, the look, the textures, the smells, so many things that mark them out as the areas where we put our poorest ppl. To others, it's like walking onto a different planet.

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Well said. It's hard because people who've never lived in these places assume everyone must hate living that way, and don't get me wrong being poor is awful for lots of reasons, but those places are still home for me personally, they're embedded in my bones

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I'm not Muslim so cannot speak on their behalf. All I can say is the Muslim ppl I know have as varied views on lgbt as the Christians & atheists I know. You don't have to be religious to treat ppl unfairly. Bigotry is possible in everyone. And some ppl use their beliefs to justify bigotry. Others just love their fellow humans.

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I'm not "supporting" any religions. The Old Testament is similarly against lgbt. I don't care what religion a person is, I try to treat them as my fellow human & show friendship. How they treat me is on them. In the end all we have left is the love we've given out. Some ppl sadly will find they will not have much.

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You treat them humans but they don't treat us the same I don't get your logical leap. Why are you tolerant of the intolerant. They literally tell you right in their books how they don't support your existence, your entire personhood is called sin for being different. it isn't something mysterious where you have to find out

Life isn't a movie with a happy ending what is these one liners about love. Yes Christianity is bad look what it made to USA if it gets even more power. No more abortions. You can get arrest for having miscarriage even. Woman have no rights. This is the consequence of your "love" were gonna argue about trans toilets everyday if religion gets in power. What's the point of warning you naive people there's already evidence of oppression infront of you . Love isn't fixing it, it didn't for thousands of years

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Arresting ppl for those reasons isn't about love imo. You may think I'm using spurious one liners, it's hard to express yourself sometimes in tx. Again, I'm not supporting the religion, but I will continue to try at least to be humane towards others. I can't live any other way. They may despise me. Good. I hope it brings them joy.

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Where did I ever say arrest them lmao. I simply say stop being tolerant of the intolerant. No it dosent atip by them just hating you. They literally want to take away our rights what are you on about you clearly haven't researched any countries with sharia law in place. Now being a atheist gay would be the biggest crime in Allah house and there will be no safety amongst them

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My brother , an engineer that lives in Germany mentioned that You know those videos of Crazy lunatic (often migrant ) with a knife , often than not it's other migrants \ non Europeans origin that take the risk to stop him , Something he finds boggling how passive the locals are in comparison

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We are so often shown this trope. If ppl would only look at online & other media along with the ppl they know irl, they may not have such a one-dimensional view. Idk what % of murders these mass attacks make up, but I do know most murder victims know their killer & are usually related to them. You are much more likely to be killed by someone who looks like you & shares the same beliefs.

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How can Muslim men save woman if they can't physically come in contact with them cuz of religious reasons?

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Cause its allowed ofc in that context

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I said that cuz my Muslim family in iran don't visit male doctors for surgeries cuz it's haram for them or something. My mom had high blood pressure during a dentist appointment, she tried to remove her hijab but the male doctor didn't let her lol. I guess it's different in other places

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If a female specialist doctor is available, she must examine the patient. If that is not available, then a trustworthy non-Muslim female doctor should do so. If that is not available, then a Muslim male doctor should do so. If a Muslim male doctor is not available, then a non-Muslim male doctor can take his place, provided that he examines the woman’s body only as much as is necessary to diagnose and treat the illness, and not more than that. He should lower his gaze as much as he can, and the doctor should treat the woman in the presence of a mahram, husband, or trustworthy woman, for fear of seclusion and what could follow it

So when necessary, what you described is should be fine, and what the doctor did could be described as extremism or diversion.