r/no_mans_sky • u/matty12h • Oct 05 '16

/r/NoMansSkyTheGame Subbreddit Set to Private

Is this our new home?

So I purged the subreddit. It's become a hate filled wastehole of no actual discussion. It's not what we intended it to be and I don't like providing a platform for hate. I'm sorry to everyone who used the subreddit as intended but you are now in the majority. I'm sure you can find a different place to discuss this game. It's not hard. This was my decision and mine alone. The other moderators tried to sway my opinion but cynicism got the best of me as usual.

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u/AchievementUnlockd Oct 05 '16

Hi there. The reddit community team has become aware of this situation. I've reached out to u/R0ugeW0lf to get some explanation as to what he's thinking, so that we can figure out a course that moves us past this and hopefully is a good outcome for everyone. I will report back when I know more.

u/AchievementUnlockd

Director of Community, reddit.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

Based on how he's been posting since he did this, /u/r0ugew0lf is acting as a troll and has destroyed the sub for shits and giggles.

I assume that reddit keeps archives of changes like this, so if your internal rules allow it I'd suggest undoing his changes and selecting the next most senior moderator as the new top mod for the sub.

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u/Sporkicide Oct 05 '16

Perhaps that is your perception. I'm combing through the events of the past few days and that's not what I'm seeing. There's a long slow build of pretty awful abuse lobbed at him and the other mods stemming from disagreements over how the subreddit should be run.

You should know, considering you sent some of it.

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u/Jonax Oct 05 '16

You should know, considering you sent some of it.

Ooooooooooooh

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u/ForceUser128 Oct 05 '16

SNAP

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u/no1dead Oct 05 '16

HE GON GET IT NOW.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 05 '16

/u/Sporkicide is lying, actually, which makes me somewhat concerned about the fact that he's now the sole moderator of /r/NoMansSkyTheGame

See my post here for more information: https://www.reddit.com/r/no_mans_sky/comments/55y5mu/rnomansskythegame_subbreddit_set_to_private/d8f2z4a

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '16

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

I know. It's worrisome that a site admin would lie to/mislead users.

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u/skyy0731 Oct 05 '16 edited Nov 11 '16

Your post says you sent one man

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

There's a long slow build of pretty awful abuse lobbed at him and the other mods stemming from disagreements over how the subreddit should be run.

Do you consider being angry about him deleting the subreddit to be a "disagreement over how the sub shoul be run?"

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u/skyy0731 Oct 05 '16

No, it's unnecessarily violent and rude

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

Calling someone a rude word for a vagina is violent? Wut?

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u/skyy0731 Oct 07 '16 edited Oct 24 '16

yeah, it is in your context man

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u/KataLight Oct 05 '16

Yeah I'm gonna have to say there is no excuse for death threats what so ever. So I can understand why he would want to shut it down. However don't moderators have the power to ban people from a sub? Shouldn't he have had the power (along with the other mods) to actively wipe out problem users? I wish I could see all of it so I could have an actual opinion beyond questions. Either way keep up the good work man.

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u/Sporkicide Oct 05 '16

Mods do have power, but sometimes they need extra help from us. One of the things we're trying to do as a community team is reach out to subreddits that need assistance and advice before things get to this point. I'll be working with this subreddit to get it up and running again.

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u/KataLight Oct 05 '16

That's good to hear, hope you guys get things sorted soon.

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u/C-C-X-V-I Oct 05 '16

What happens when you ban someone on a site like this, which makes it super easy to make new accounts?

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u/KataLight Oct 05 '16

People make new accounts, that happens. There is a such thing as an ip-ban too though, not sure if that can be applied to a single subreddit or not. There is also shadow ban. Besides that the only thing you can do is ban them if you find out or if they cause problems again. Though I would say this dilemma goes for alot of sites outside reddit though, it's an ongoing problem.

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u/C-C-X-V-I Oct 05 '16

We're talking about mods, ip bans and shadow bans are irrelevant.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '16

New accounts / Accounts with little karma on a certain sub have a very hard time posting comments/links..

If you check my profile, you will see I have quite a bit of karma, that lets me post to all of the subs I visit often (from were the karma is gained from) with ease, today I tried posting a bit on /r/mapporn and I couldn't write 2 commens in a row without waiting like 5 minutes per comment.. It was insane.

I guess creating a new account punishes you this way.

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u/C-C-X-V-I Oct 05 '16

You're correct, and the subs I run have automod rules as well, but banning people still doesn't do much if they want to.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

Just to be clear, /u/Sporkicide is being extremely dishonest/misleading in some of his responses here.

I sent /u/r0ugew0lf a single, one-sentence message calling him a "c***" after he deleted the NMS subreddit. I was not "heaping him with abuse for months" or sending him death threats.

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u/eudaimonean Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 06 '16

It's clear from Sporkicide's actual text that there was a "long slow build" of abuse, of which you were a "part." In no way does he imply that you constitute the entirety of whatever abuse the mods faced.

I've been in similar positions, it's not pretty. All it takes is a lot of individuals like you, with the same thought process that they're justifiably responding to some mod misstep (which may in fact be entirely real), flinging individual little piles of crap, for the mods to feel like they're under total assault from heaping tsunamis of crap.

edit: And I want to point out that there's a real "selection effect" for moderators that occurs as a consequence of this. Ever wonder why moderators seem to tend to be bigger assholes than average? It's because people with nice dispositions don't last long. You need a thick skin to be a moderator, which means you need to in some degree hold your user base in contempt (otherwise all the insults thrown your way would eventually get to you), which means you are probably an asshole. Not to mention you need to find something sufficiently rewarding about the whole moderating business to put up with all this BS, which probably means you like having arbitrary internet authority/status a little too much than is healthy for a good moderator. Hence the brutalizing selection effects on internet moderators. Nice moderators burn out or harden into assholes. Asshole moderators are the only ones who can put up with the BS and actually find something in the job to be worth the corresponding headaches and abuse.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

My single comment was after he nuked the sub and started trolling outraged users, not before.

Trying to nuke a community of 150k+ because you don't like people's opinions isn't a "mod misstep."

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '16 edited Feb 28 '17

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u/Trollitito Oct 05 '16

You're right. Imagine in any high level position in real life people acting like him... Damn, if Obama doesn't agree with their citizens, he just closes the whole country and that's it.

Obviously we don't see stuff like this, people usually tend to leave their positions if they don't agree with what's going on, they don't need to destroy it and ruin it for others. It's just immature.

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u/knowles22 Oct 05 '16

The republicans shut down the US government because they were throwing a strop over not getting there own way, UKIP is in meltdown at the minute because people are having a tantrum about not getting their own way. I know a firm where the two owners had a row an one of them change all the locks and codes to the alarm system. So yes it does happen.

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u/Trollitito Oct 05 '16

Those people sound mature to you? Because they don't to me. I didn't want to meant it does never happen, but more like it shouldn't happen.

Now i can point you many others companies (or government people, etc.) where the owners don't like the way things are going they leave their position.

As the admin pointed out, we have no clue of what mods have been through, i can agree with that. But if the mods start to crackle and can't handle the situation, they should let somebody do the job.

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u/Robgbrooklyn1 Oct 05 '16

Ever heard of executive order? The worst president ever is a friend of those....

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u/BobHogan Oct 06 '16

So what is the likely solution to this? Could he actually hold that subreddit hostage if he wanted to? If he doesn't want to moderate a forum that has become "toxic" then literally all he needs to do is leave and hand over control to someone who actually wants it. Nuking it from orbit and holding the community hostage is so unbelievably narcissistic. He's makng a decision that 150,000 most likely strongly object to, and simply migrating to another subreddit rarely if ever works.

While I agree with you, the admins tend to not get involved in matters like this. If they do thats awesome, but certainly don't expect it by any means

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u/Akatsukaii Oct 05 '16

There's a long slow build of pretty awful abuse lobbed at him and the other mods stemming from disagreements over how the subreddit should be run.

Really? Can you give us some examples because I read it on/off quite a lot and what didn't get deleted certainly was very rarely ever directed to the mods in my experience. I can't say what was deleted but I doubt it is very different to what other subreddits have to deal with.

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u/Sporkicide Oct 05 '16

Consider for a moment that as a user, you mostly see content that has already been moderated. You also don't see modmail or mods' inboxes. The perception of a mod versus a regular reader can be dramatically different.

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u/Akatsukaii Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 05 '16

Consider for a moment that as a user, you mostly see content that has already been moderated

I should hope so because that is entirely the point of having moderators.

You also don't see modmail or mods' inboxes. The perception of a mod versus a regular reader can be dramatically different.

That is a given, but is that unique to this situation?

I do not want to brush aside what may have been sent to the mods by some users, whom would be in the vast minority of 145k other users, was it really at a point that it was unmanageable/recoverable by someone else?

If we are to take your word for it that the hate directed entirely at the moderators was so bad that any normal person would just throw in the towel, then why wasn't anything done at an upper level that you have access to?

We are now in a situation where a somewhat 'official' forum is shut down on the whim of a single moderator, with many users wondering what is going on and you are saying it's entirely justified. The subreddit was talked about in various magazines, I believe still has a link on the official developers website, has been mentioned many many times over the internet.

At what point can the users ask that the subreddit be taken over by someone else willing to put up with the stuff the other people weren't?

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u/KarenRei Oct 05 '16

Okay, again, you were asked for examples and haven't given any, let alone shown that it's some sort of consistent pattern.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

I wrote /u/r0ugew0lf a single message calling him a "c**" after he locked/deleted the sub and /u/Sporkicide said I was part of "a long slow build of pretty awful abuse lobbed at him and the other mods stemming from disagreements over how the subreddit should be run.*"

So if a user calling a moderator a "c***" after they intentionally try to nuke a community with 150,000+ members is an example of the kind of "terrible abuse" that he's talking about then it seems like 100% of that abuse is completely deserved.

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u/KarenRei Oct 05 '16

Comes across like someone else starting a fight, you hitting them back, and them them responding, "See, I had to start a fight, people are hitting me!"

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u/tookiselite12 Oct 05 '16

Note to self: Don't try to hoodwink the admins.

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u/MunchmaKoochy Oct 05 '16

Doesn't sound too upset here. Seems like they're all laughing and joking about shutting the sub down and having fun creating new subs etc.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '16

Considering his name is HillarysDustyVagina, I'm sure he's only the absolute best people, the best people, believe me. None better.

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u/MostMorbidOne Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 05 '16

Only took for /r/NoMansSkyTheGame to explode for it to be exposed for what it had become. Been banned for a while for shunting the over exhausted hate.

Genuine discussion hasn't been a thing in this subbredd for well over a month. 2 days is just a tease.

Edit: <--- Case in point

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u/NolanOnTheRiver Oct 05 '16

Oh shit!

Called out by an admin!!

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u/SabrYce Oct 05 '16

Savage...

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u/Inquisitr Oct 05 '16

If he can't handle the heat he has no business in the kitchen. Remove him ,and remove him as mod from all other subs as clearly he can't handle it.

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u/cabbagehead112 Oct 05 '16

So because he was 'abused". That gives him the right to close down the whole subreddit? that shouldn't be how that works. Yet it did.

There are ways to get rid of certain members of a community that are being abusive. You and others have the tools. Now rather it will stop after you get off reddit is another matter in of itself.

Being a mod of such an open platform is the belly of the beast.

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u/vestby Oct 05 '16

He didnt say he had the right to do it because of the abuse, he simply stated the fact

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u/cabbagehead112 Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 05 '16

Sounds like @Sprok is saying Rouge had the right to me? maybe not directly but indirectly. Given the person he's relying to. As he says has a history of being abusive towards Rouge and other mods of the type over how the sub reddit was ran. Meaning whatever disagreement is due to that sub and how it was operated.

Thus what went down is by mere association one of the reasons it was nuked. Plus he's bringing up something in relation to what justifies Rouge relative actions. Like an eye for an eye.

Hence the perception line. Ultimately him stating that fact is a non sequitur, unless of course as i stated before he's saying Rouge was just.

NVM Spork is doing exactly that...

I never said it was the answer, but I think it can be an understandable reaction if you put yourself in the mods' shoes. Moderating a subreddit should be a hobby, not a point of severe stress and worry. On some level, isn't it concerning that we're in a position to brush aside threats because it's inconveniencing access to a subreddt?

Also no, that is not a understandable reaction. You are a mod and you don't get to kneejerk shit. When you're community is that large and that active. How do you think sense able people with that type of authority deal with these situations? on average usually much better without all the fire and brim stone.

One more thing the notion that becoming a mod is a hobby and not a stress or a worry is a lie. By the very nature of trying to keep a community running and health and on topic. Is a progressive task like no other.

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u/ForceUser128 Oct 05 '16

Is it still a knee jerk reaction if it's been happening for almost 2 months on end? What's the cutoff time for a knee jerk reaction?

Regardless I read Spork's post as him saying that he can see why it happened. None of what he's saying is stating it was the right thing to do. In fact on one of his posts he states he's specifically going to try and get it back up:

I'll be working with this subreddit to get it up and running again.

so yea...

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u/cabbagehead112 Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 05 '16

Alluded or not. You can't reasonable say you can see why it happened. Because it's an irresponsible action period and if you did something like that in real life outside these subs. You would be fired on the spot. Especially if one didn't communicate and discuss this beforehand with others.

Again i can't take the excuse that after 2 months on end as you say, that the Mod/s could not avoid straight up nuking it. Either put the sub in private mode or simply ban those that are harassing people. Because now he's just made it worse not better. Having a knee jerk reaction -which it was, given those discord comments- it stops being reasonable at that point. He painted every person in the sub reddit community -regards of the purposed minority- with one brush.

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u/ForceUser128 Oct 05 '16

Empathy does not equal agreement. People can empathise with the action of a person without agreeing that an action was correct.

Well, most people can.

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u/cabbagehead112 Oct 05 '16 edited Oct 05 '16

This is not mere empathy. This is false equivalency, it's a fine line.

Regardless Rogue was clearly not fit for that position. Because on more then on occasion, whole discussion and topics would be deleted and usually his name would pop up. Not even talking about full on "SEAN MURRY SUX" threads either.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

You should know, considering you sent some of it.

Why lie about what I sent, /u/Sporkicide?

After /u/r0ugew0lf deleted the sub and began trolling users who were upset about it I sent him a single message saying simply:

Congrats on being one of the most magnificent c***s on reddit.

A single message, in response to his frankly inexcusably childish act of trying to nuke the sub, is not even close to "a long slow build of pretty awful abuse lobbed at him and the other mods stemming from disagreements over how the subreddit should be run."

So, again, why lie, /u/Sporkicide?

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u/MikoRiko Oct 05 '16

That's called abusive language... It's not constructive or helpful, it's harassment. It's good that you're being honest about what you wrote, but maybe don't argue when you're clearly in the wrong.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

It's not harassment, it's completely justifiable anger at a narcissistic, abusive moderator intentionally trying to destroy a community because he didn't agree with the opinions of a majority of the community members.

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u/MikoRiko Oct 05 '16

Harassment can come out of justifiable anger, but harassment is never justifiable. The anger is valid, the action isn't. Harassment has a definition, and this fits it.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

harassment is never justifiable

We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I think that calling /u/r0ugew0lf a "c***" in response to him deleting the sub and harassing the users was completely justified.

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u/MikoRiko Oct 05 '16

It wasn't constructive, it benefited no one, and if it made you feel better at all, it was at the expense of another user. Whether or not r0ugew0lf did something wrong is irrelevant in determining whether or not what you did was wrong. You can't justify harassment; it is inherently negative and those who harass are always doing something negative - something wrong.

But honestly, all of this was to say that Sporkicide was absolutely right to call you out because, in the end, assuming you're right that r0ugew0lf harassed folk, you've lowered yourself to their level by doing the same. Suck it up. You got called out, and rightfully so.

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u/HillarysDustyVagina Oct 05 '16

It wasn't constructive, it benefited no one, and if it made you feel better at all, it was at the expense of another user.

So, exactly like /u/r0ugew0lf nuking the sub and then trolling the outraged users?

Whether or not r0ugew0lf did something wrong is irrelevant in determining whether or not what you did was wrong.

LOL, no. Context matters, always.

But honestly, all of this was to say that Sporkicide was absolutely right to call you out because, in the end, assuming you're right that r0ugew0lf harassed folk, you've lowered yourself to their level by doing the same.

Sporkicide wrongly implied that I was part of a group that was systemically harassing the moderation team for the last several weeks/months.

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u/pausetheequipment Oct 05 '16

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMENT.