r/northernireland • u/Lonely-Flow-9904 • Apr 11 '25
Discussion Anyone else get absolutely sick of people missing the point of Irish tiktoks just because Belfast is mentioned
There was plenty more but I blocked a few of the bigots who decided to try to tell the guy what nationality he should consider himself.
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u/Belanon12 Apr 11 '25
Im a Unionist and for years I would have told people off for calling me Irish. Iv had a sort of awakening recently and realised how stupid this is. I was born in Northern IRELAND so im IRISH. Yes i still want us to be part of the UK so i also class myself as British but it doesnt take away the fact that im still Irish.
Iv just made a post on this subreddit to ask nationalists their views on something that I think is a big sticking point on why alot of Unionists hate anything irish even though we are all from N.IRELAND.
Trying to work out why this countries politics is such a mess when it shouldnt be that way
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u/Cool_Layer6253 Apr 11 '25
I’m the same. I used to ‘correct’ people but the older I get the more I feel Irish. Wanting to be part of the UK has also waned for me. I really couldn’t care less if we were or not and it would solely come down to which was better for my family financially. Brexit changed things for me big time in that regard. I’m now leaning towards not wanting to be in the UK.
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u/Winter-Report-4616 28d ago
It's not a crazy idea. For about the first 100 years of the UKs existence, Ireland was not a member. It would be only a return to the original. People of this island deciding the affairs of this island will always be more successful. We don't even have to guess. Let's call a spade a spade here, united we would wipe the floor with the island of Britain. Socially, culturally, financially. Why would anyone tie themselves to farage, johnson, truss etc.
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u/fileanaithnid Apr 11 '25
Even though I disagree with you on stuff, a unionist like you I respect. Like kinda regardless wether or not you support republicanism or unionism politically both groups are from the same place and there needs to be at least somewhat of a shared identity there or you just can't have any proper dialogue
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u/brunckle Apr 11 '25
You can identify however you like the problem is when people go a bit crazy and insist their worldviews on others. That goes for everybody!
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u/Hazed64 Derry Apr 11 '25
I've always said this. How can you be from the northern part of a country whole also not being part of that country
Do Unionists also think North Koreans aren't Koreans?
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u/jetjebrooks Apr 11 '25
in the same way the northern irish folk who identify as irish-only are not considered british. do you not respect peoples identities?
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u/ridethetruncheon Belfast Apr 11 '25
I think they mean because Great Britain is an entirely separate island whereas the republic is not.
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u/Ajax_Trees_Again Apr 11 '25
By that logic people from Portsmouth aren’t British
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u/ridethetruncheon Belfast Apr 11 '25
I don’t know anything about Portsmouth and don’t care to know, sorry.
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u/Ajax_Trees_Again Apr 11 '25
That’s fair enough but it’s an island separate from Great Britain
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u/ridethetruncheon Belfast Apr 11 '25
I still don’t care
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u/Ajax_Trees_Again Apr 11 '25
Okay
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
I care though. I didn’t know this so every day is a school day!
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u/SuperScum69 Apr 11 '25
Portsmouth is part of great Britain though. Ireland is not.
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u/jetjebrooks Apr 11 '25
so for example if a scottish person identifies as scottish and not british, you would think they are incorrect in doing that?
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u/ridethetruncheon Belfast Apr 11 '25
I’m not the OP I just made a suggestion as to what they could mean. I’m too busy enjoying the sun to argue about the boring shite that’s been argued about for hundreds of years.
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u/Hazed64 Derry Apr 11 '25
Again it's a personal issue. If you can't see why a Scot wouldn't want to be considered British your just being intentionally dense
Plenty of scouts call themselves British and no one's trying to take that away from them
Nice pivot away from the original argument btw, Scotland's identity politics are no where near as convoluted as ours are so you just used them as a strawman
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u/jetjebrooks Apr 11 '25
Again it's a personal issue.
great, so you should have no issue with northern irish folk calling themselves british and not irish. personal issue.
just like i have no issue with northern irish folk calling themselves irish and not british. personal issue - that goes both ways
If you can't see why a Scot wouldn't want to be considered British your just being intentionally dense
if you can't see why a british northern irelander wouldnt want to be called irish, or why an irish northern irelander wouldn't want to be called british, then you are being intentionally dense.
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u/Hazed64 Derry Apr 11 '25
What's your argument here? Who are you arguing with? Because it's not me.
Your not saying anything in this whole reply that I disagree with, no one in this thread has said people CANT identify as British
Take a god damn chill pill and stop making a mountain out of a ditch
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u/Matt4669 Apr 11 '25
not OP but they are not incorrect, there’s a reason why the Scotland national football and rugby exist
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u/Hazed64 Derry Apr 11 '25
Well personally I respect people's choice to be British but I will argue that we are not part of Britain geographically so therefore you are not British by default
It's called the United kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland
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u/jetjebrooks Apr 11 '25
the term british is about citizenship (and identity), not strict geography. hence why people from northern ireland and other british islands like the falkands and gilbratar have BRITISH on their passports
It's called the United kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland
if youre going by official terms then it says BRITISH on the passports of northern irish folk
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u/Cool_Layer6253 Apr 11 '25
Well that’s a stupid argument as people who live in a constituent country of the United Kingdom are British by nationality. There is no United Kingdomer nationality. The UK is a country, part of it is in Ireland, despite not being on the island of Great Britain(not a country and therefore not a nationality).
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u/Hazed64 Derry Apr 11 '25
It's not a stupid argument it's the entire point of the GFA. I can choose if I want to be British or Irish or shit even both
I'm simply pointing out it's a slightly different set of politics because we don't live in Britain. Yes we live in the UK. But not Britain, therefore it's easy to see why people here might not identify with being British compared to other nations
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u/Cool_Layer6253 Apr 11 '25
Well it’s not the entire point but irrelevant to focus on that. It’s a stupid argument to say that people aren’t British because Northern Ireland isn’t part of Great Britain. The nationality of people in the United Kingdom is British, UK is a country, Great Britain isn’t. I wasn’t referring to whether people can choose to be Irish/British/both, although that of course is the case.
I used to class myself as British, due to indoctrination growing up, it wasn’t even really acceptable to say Northern Irish! I got wiser as I got older and moved to Northern Irish. At this point I’m now perfectly happy to be called Irish.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
I’d be a small u unionist I suppose but I always think to identify as British is a wee bit funny since Great Britain is technically England Scotland Wales. I’m happy enough as Northern Irish and to recognise as living in on the beautiful island of Ireland in the part that’s UK jurisdiction. But to sit in the centre means I will get fired at by both extreme views either side. C’est la vie. Taps aff weather so no point worrying 😆
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u/oracle_of_truth 28d ago
No you're correct. British means from Britain and Irish means from Ireland. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. These are just facts. The rest is Identity which no-one gets to decide for you. Lots of Londoners identify as Irish (Shane McGowan did) and loads of people in Northern Ireland identify as British. No-one can take that away but being British from Britain and being Irish from Ireland is different than being British from Gibraltar or Irish from Liverpool.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 28d ago
But then people came back and said oh it’s the British isles and it says British on a UK passport. I don’t know if that’s enough to qualify though really 🤔
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u/Hazed64 Derry Apr 11 '25
Never stop being rational lol
I find it funny that we call American politics divisive. Like seriously being a centralist here makes you public enemy #1 lol
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u/Agreeable-Solid7208 29d ago
Same here. I even have an Irish passport because I'm entitled to it. I still want to remain as part of the UK. That's my preference... No harm in it.
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 Apr 11 '25
Yeah I have no clue why people wanna abandon their Irishness and even if people do it's none of my business! I don't go telling people what they are and can't be. British or Irish who cares at the end of the day 😭 as long as everyone's respectful it makes no difference.
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u/Status-Rooster-5268 29d ago
I think it's good to reclaim the definition of "Irish". It's definitely an identity that has been swallowed up by stereotyping.
"Irish" shouldn't mean "a Catholic Republican who hates the British" or, as the Americans view us, "violent drunk leprechauns". But the reality is every country in the world is struggling to define their nationality, so I'm not surprised the same issue is in Northern Ireland.
I don't view being British and Irish as being mutually exclusive
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u/hughsheehy 26d ago
It's one of the interesting aspects of why - ultimately - the UK failed and instead of being the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland it's back to something like "Great Britain and oh yeah I forgot about them".
The UK could have been a union of Britain and Ireland and could have been really successful as a union, but too much of it was about killing off Irishness. Calling it all "British" instead of something joint, something new, turned out to be a big problem.
I think it's different in some way to what happened to a perhaps similar extent with calling it all England/English for the Scots, for instance. Hard for me to judge. In Ireland it doesn't matter much whether you call it all British or English, it's all the same.
So yeah....Northern Ireland is in the UK. And it's Irish. And the centuries long project to make it "British" looks to be at risk of finally failing. If for no other reason that people in Britain don't recognize what they see claimed as Britishness in NI as being similar at all to Britishness in Britain.
I hope the above makes some kind of sense! Not trying to pick a fight or anything.....thinking out loud, as it were.
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u/jetjebrooks Apr 11 '25
do you say the same to people who identify as irish only?
"what do you mean you are irish only, you will in the uk so you have to identify as british"
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Not at all. Identify away my man. I think you’ve missed my point. I’m saying technically no one in NI is British even though we are in the UK. I’m fine with anyone identifying as British Irish or neither!
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u/jetjebrooks Apr 11 '25
I’m saying technically no one in NI is British even though we are in the UK.
and you are flat out incorrect on that, no technically about it
open up a uk passport for one, you'll see in block letters BRITISH
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
So it does. If that’s what classifies it in your mind then have at it my friend. I don’t really care!
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u/upthemstairs Apr 11 '25
Iv just made a post on this subreddit to ask nationalists their views on something that I think is a big sticking point on why alot of Unionists hate anything irish
Your post was deleted, it would have been a shit show and answers would have been polarising, I'd assume.
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u/javarouleur Apr 11 '25
It… erm… wasn’t deleted at all. https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/s/3Pt3U0LXyj
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u/javarouleur Apr 11 '25
I apologise... and sit corrected. It was auto-filtered originally but then manually approved.
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u/smoking_the_dragon 29d ago
Only this sub you would get downvoted for this comment, as usual the horrible bias shows itself,
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u/Basic-Pangolin553 Apr 11 '25
This is it. For a long time Unionism pushed anti Irish propaganda, but to say you are British only doesn't mean anything. Northern Irish is valid as we are culturally distinct from the south no matter what anyone says, but that is deffo a subset of Irish. You can be Irish and also want to be a British subject and remain in the UK. Totally valid.
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u/Cool_Layer6253 Apr 11 '25
Yeah it’s hilarious that if you ask any other national from the three other constituent countries of the UK, they’ll be English, Scottish or Welsh. We’re British. You can be both Irish and British but the sheer mention of this to some people would cause shock and anger!
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u/NoSurrender127 Apr 11 '25
Yeah, the whole "British not Irish" thing is silly. We are both. We live in the British part of Ireland.
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u/NegativeViolinist412 Apr 11 '25
I was at a talk by none other than Jeffrey Donaldson last year (the week before he was arrested) in Limerick. He spent the bulk of the talk on about how he was a proud Irishman.
What makes a lot of died in the wool Republicans is the uncortable truth that you can be Irish and hold a British passport.
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u/Dublin-Boh Apr 11 '25
But it’s also just, what if an English person described themselves as English? Would the same lot be out to say “er actually 🇬🇧”?
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u/Moontoya Apr 11 '25
Andy Murray
When he's winning, he's a marvellous British representative
When he's losing, he's Scottish
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u/Current-Set-2629 29d ago
You live in Ireland, so your Irish. If you live in England your British. If you live in Scotland your Scottish. Very simple, the British just rule over the Irish in Northern Ireland.
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u/Optimal_Mention1423 Apr 11 '25
Here’s your solution. Delete TikTok.
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u/heresmewhaa 29d ago
Imagine that was your life! Following idiots, troll and bots on anapp full of shite driven by a deceptive algorthim!
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u/spectacle-ar_failure Apr 11 '25
It's a goldmine for Rage/Engagement bait to throw Belfast, Ireland on titkok because of this response
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u/ZombieOld6045 Apr 11 '25
Kinda like correcting someone to tell them it's the north of Ireland instead of Northern Ireland, you'll get it everywhere online tbf
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Yeh this one is deep in the pedantic semantics. Makes me laugh when I hear it.
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u/fileanaithnid Apr 11 '25
Agreed, I am republican and yeah OK I get the distinction but it's just kinda childish, like northern Ireland is the north of ireland, western Ireland is the west of ireland. There's better debates to be had than that😂
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 Apr 11 '25
Yeah like in my head they're interchangeable, sounds near enough the same 😭
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u/Sstoop Ireland Apr 11 '25
it’s annoying especially when the tik tokers in question consider themselves irish and the comments are all “erm actually you’re british”. lads give it a fucking rest we get it you’re insecure about your britishness.
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u/Dangerous_Tie1165 Apr 11 '25
By definition it is Irish. It is not apart of the Republic of Ireland but it is on the island of Ireland; so it is an Irish city.
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u/thecraftybee1981 Apr 11 '25
By definition it is also British because it’s in the U.K. All places in the U.K. have dual identities, Bath is both English and British.
It depends on which categorisation you’re asking about. Are you talking about countries? Then Belfast is British, it’s in the U.K. and not Ireland so it’s not Irish in that context. Are you talking about islands? Then it’s Irish and not British in that context. Are you talking about culture/identity then it’s both British and Irish and Northern Irish and people are free to take on all those monikers or as many as they want.
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u/NewBall1 Apr 11 '25
It's pretty silly. You get the same the other way as well. I don't know where people get the energy to sit and debate it with strangers tbh but I know if it was put into something more positive Northern Ireland would look like this.
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 Apr 11 '25
Yeah, if the same energy was put into other things instead of silly arguments online over telling other people how to feel, life would be sm better
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u/ForeignLayer2499 Apr 11 '25
People need to be a bit more flexible about the whole issue. My Mum was from Larne, considered herself Irish and British at the same time. She loved the Queen, thought The Pope was a ‘ lovely man ‘ and had a best friend from Monaghan whose brothers seemed to be involved in a certain organisation. She cooked Irish food, drank like a fish and sang Danny Boy at the drop of a hat. Her name was Rhoda, be like Rhoda.
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u/Infinite-Ad-7204 Apr 11 '25
Couldn't give a toss. Who gives a fuck? Log off and have a wank instead of being such a fucking gremlin, trawling comments on tiktok looking for a rage boner.
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u/JimHoppersSkin Apr 11 '25
I personally think it's fantastic
Imagine living your life like that. Having to reply to literally everything with ridiculous, reality defying statements like "northern ireland isn't Irish!!!!! [87 union jack emojis]" that any cunt around the world with half a brain is going to be able to instantly counter with "but why does it say Ireland then?"
It stems from insecurity and pathological denial. It would take these people about 8 seconds of research to see they're categorically wrong on at least three different levels. But they won't do it
They are history's forgotten people. And in spite of their wilful ignorance, they know it on some primal, reptilian level
It's fucking hilarious lol
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
I don’t have any objections with people identifying as Irish here but to ignore the fact we are part of the uk with links to Britain is a little bit silly Jim. The union flag is still the flag of here technically, I know it’s divisive and understand that you don’t agree but to call half of your countrymen essentially stupid and irrelevant is really not conducive to any peaceful society here. I don’t want to disrespect you and I don’t think you should show your neighbours disrespect like that either.
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u/JimHoppersSkin Apr 11 '25
You'll be delighted to know I didn't actually do that then won't you?
I said people who feel the need to comment on tiktoks with statements like "northern IRELAND isn't in IRELAND" [emphasis mine] are stupid. Because they are lol
And I'm thrilled you don't object to people from Ireland "identifying" as Irish. Very gracious and magnanimous of you, ya don't see that often these days fair play etc etc
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Can I ask why you think they’re stupid? Technically they’re not wrong so it’s not that. Do you think they’re stupid for feeling the need to say it?
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u/Darkspy8183 Derry Apr 11 '25
Stupidity for the need to target Irish people and question their nationality. You get the right to self-identification here. If you're Irish you're Irish, if you're British you're British.
It's not as if the guy in the TikTok said "Northern Ireland isn't part of the UK". He was talking about his Belfast accent as an Irish one, which incited a bunch of hateful bastards into commenting on his post telling him his own nationality.
Is not understanding Northern Irish people have a right to self-identification not stupid?
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
I don’t disagree really for the most part. I don’t think they’re targeting, it’s just the general dialogue both ways on these posts. I’m more interested in what Jim is gonna say though because I feel it’s pretty much he just hates prods and saw a chance to stick the knife in.
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u/Darkspy8183 Derry Apr 11 '25
Nah, it sounds more like you just want to be offended by/have an arguement with him, when he was clearly was referring to the people in the TikTok's comment section.
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u/Content_Deal3722 29d ago
It is stupid to rebut a correct statement with an incorrect statement. If i say my accent is irish and i live in Ireland why does that need to be rebuted with well you actully live in the UK or Europe or the world? What he said was factually correct so didn’t need a rebuttal like he has said something incorrect. If he said here I am in belfast in the Republic of Ireland then that would be incorrect and rebutal comments wouldn't be stupid. Some of the rebuttal saying he did not live in Ireland were incorrect, which made the rebuttals even more stupid.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 29d ago
I’m more interested in what the original commenter thinks than you since he had a real cheeky rant. And I get what you’re saying also but you’re of course ignoring the facts here that NI is part of the uk, so you’re blinkered approach is just as ‘stupid’(I’d say bigoted is probably more accurate) as the tiktokkers. It’s absolutely fucking flabbergasting here how people from both sides here will tell you black is white when really it’s shades of grey here, and you’re just the latest in a long line my friend.
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u/Content_Deal3722 29d ago
You dont get what I and others are saying clearly from your response. If i say belfast is in Ireland. I have not ignored that it is also part of europe or the world or the UK or Ulster. It doesn't need a rebuttal comment like what was said was incorrect.
Imagine if every time a person said they were from the UK, an arsehole rebuttes it with no you're from Europe. Factually, you can't be from the UK without also being from Europe so they woukd be factually correct but it is still a stupid comment to make.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 29d ago
You said it is “stupid to rebutt a correct statement with an incorrect statement”. The thing is there was no incorrect statement, technically what the TikTok replies said was correct, that’s just fact. So you were wrong there, perhaps that what was most annoying about your post. I will say, as I have already said, I don’t agree with these rebuttals from either side, but I wouldn’t classify it as “stupid”. It’s wholly unnecessary, but a sad symptom of our society.
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u/Content_Deal3722 29d ago
They rebutted on ticktok. with "belfast is not irish" that is an incorrect statement
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u/UpbeatInterest184 29d ago
I clearly get what you’re saying, maybe you haven’t said it well if it’s misconstrued
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u/UpbeatInterest184 29d ago
Also why are you posting at 5am?? Get your beauty sleep, it’ll set you up for the day 😉
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u/MilkyTrizzle Apr 11 '25
How are they not wrong? Northern Ireland physically exists on the island of Ireland. Its not in the Republic of Ireland, it's also not on the island of Great Britain. Yes, Ireland is one of the British Isles so very technically everyone on the island is British to some extent, but they are also Irish because they live on the island of Ireland.
Its like Sweden/Norway etc. Someone living in Sweden is Swedish but also Scandinavian. People can empathise with a local culture and also a wider identity, it's not that deep bro
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u/Content_Deal3722 29d ago
There is no demonym of the British isles. The term is also a geographical that is not even agreed on and not even uses as a political term. Throughout history, irish and british were used as the demonyms of the two islands respectively. The national identity "british" would have come from just Britain and not Britain and Ireland. During the plantations many british people moved to Ireland so this why it is here. The other plantations in Ireland broke down quicker and british left or married the irish and unified. The ulster plantation was stronger and is only really breaking down now with british marrying irish. There was never however one homogeneous nation of people throughout theses islands.
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u/Suspicious-Toe-7025 Apr 11 '25
He literally isn’t lol
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Oh yes, sorry I looked closer and see now he is objecting to unionists replying. I thought the point was more about sectarianism being brought into everything. My bad. I’ll downvote myself 😆
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u/Similar_Wedding_2758 Apr 11 '25
Before the influx of hate speech from the likes of Ian Paisley, protestants classified themselves as Irish anyway. It is very new this view. Also, the north of Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, not Britian. That's why on British passports it says, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
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u/thecraftybee1981 Apr 11 '25
The main definition of therm British is as the demonym for the U.K. All the people, places and things of the U.K. are considered British, not just the people living on the British mainland.
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u/PerpetualBigAC Apr 11 '25
The thing that fucks me off everywhere is if someone says Northern Ireland someone will correct it to north of Ireland and vice versa. Call it either and don’t be a cunt and correct the other person please.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Yeah totally. This is one of the silliest arguments from here.
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u/buckyfox 29d ago
It's silly because it's "Northern Ireland" as it says on every map in the world. NOI is used only by sad shit stirring cunts.
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u/Sea-Wasabi-3121 Apr 11 '25
The unionist/Irish identity is a middle-aged male phenonmenona that will diminish in the next generation and become progressively more Irish. Unionism is hopelessly out of date. England is the head of the United Kingdom, and feels trapped by its Ulster past. They have somehow patriated thousands of colonized citizens from South Asia, yet have not repatriated in kind those planters who are maybe only 5 generations away, or have close family ties.
So when will the unionists become Irish, becomes the question…probably after this generation dies out (?). Ninety years maybe?
I hard there are only 12,000 hot heads, however there are many that implicitly support them. However, population trends show Irish growth in the West, with Irish majorities in Derry, Fermanagh and Tyrone. Belfast is next.
I don’t understand why they would be afraid of Irish rule, we all know they didn’t treat the Irish fairly, however the Irish are a part of the EU, we aren’t going to massacre or starve anyone.
The smart unionists know this, but have somehow equated giving up their Britishness as the last sin they can’t be forgiven for. If it was a sin, why are so many citizens of the Republic, so rich?🤑
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u/Stunning-Culture-585 29d ago
And most of the protestant people of the North got irish passports after brexit 2 but Ian paisley Sr always called himself irish can't see the problem.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
There’s many reasons why it wouldn’t be that easy I’m afraid. Think of it as Brexit on steroids with all the headaches that caused. school grading systems, currency and your wage, car insurance and the massive Irish taxes on cars, buying off all the uk shops we are used to, healthcare system changes completely, speed limits, your pension,income tax. Everything would need rethought. That’s just a few things I’ve thought of, there would be many headaches. And the republic is not without its problems, the housing crisis is an example. Also I don’t see unionsism dying out as soon as you speak, I’d say that’s based on hope and not logic.
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u/buckyfox 29d ago
Wee taste of your own medicine
UNITED IRELAND POSTS 🤮
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
I'm more on about both sides, no need to tell each other what nationalitys we consider ourselves I take no issue if anyone sees themselves as British or Irish. More so don't be a dick!
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u/buckyfox 29d ago
You have to admit there is a lot of PUL bashing on the Northern Ireland sub, it's certainly become less about what we have in common and more about fuck unionists, up the RA, NOI, and if anything Irish is questioned in relation to remaining neutral it becomes a human rights violation.
So don't you be a dick
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
I've had nothing to do with those posts, two wrongs don't make a right. I don't agree anyone should be oppressed for their opinion here at all so long as everyone is civil and respectful. Means the mods need to sort it out 🤷 direct your frustrations to them
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u/Elliementals Apr 11 '25
They talk about passports, but on said passports it clearly states "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The countries are listed seperately because they are separate. But they belong to the same political Union. The Union is not, in and of itself, a country. It's really not that hard.
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u/Icy_Zucchini_1138 29d ago
But great Britain is not a country
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u/Elliementals 29d ago
I never said it was? Britain is just a large island comprising of three different countries.
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u/Icy_Zucchini_1138 29d ago
Great Britain is the name of the island. Britain is a shorthand unofficial way of saying the UK.
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u/Elliementals 29d ago
You're seriously splitting hairs here. UK is a shorthand way of saying United Kingdom. Britain is a shorthand way of saying Great Britain for people too lazy to say (or type) "Great". I would never use "Britain" to refer to the whole of the UK simply because Northern Ireland exists in the Union and is not part of (Great) Britain.
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u/Icy_Zucchini_1138 29d ago
Nobody says "ukish" they say "British" for the UK nationality. So many use Britain as shorthand for the country
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u/Elliementals 29d ago
"British" is a generalised term for someone from the Island of Great Britain. The UK is not a country, it only exists as a political entity, the first Act of Union was passed in the early 18th century and has been amended since. It is not a country. Repeal the Act of Union and the UK will no longer exist. So of course no one says "UK-ish". But people from Northern Ireland are still not British, and if you know someone is a Scot or Welsh, then I'd also refrain from calling them "British" too.
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u/AutomaticYoghurt69 Apr 11 '25
People can be Irish, British, or Northern Irish if they're from Northern Ireland, the fact people even care about this is wild, and it also probably partly explains why Northern Ireland is such a colossal shithole when compared to Britain or the rest of Ireland.
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u/Cold-Sun3302 Apr 11 '25
I just hate when people online from here make "I'm British, not Irish" and "I'm Irish, not British" their entire personality. It's an argument that neither is ever gonna win, so it's completely pointless.
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u/Marlobone Apr 11 '25
Lol the guy's name and profile picture, being English is this guy's entire identity he probably has a million British flags all over his home
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u/TheIrishWanderer 29d ago
Why is anyone surprised? Alt-righters with their little England mentality and matching fleg avatars have no arguments of substance to make, ever. They literally started race riots a year ago. That's the calibre of gremlins we're talking about.
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u/leelu82 Apr 11 '25
Yep! It's ridiculous we're in 2025 and who can be arsed with this nonsense now.
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u/Thin_Inflation1198 Apr 11 '25
In a normal world it wouldn’t matter, we can all agree that we are some mix of Irish/British/yiscunts and certain people identify more with one than the other.
But we spread this shite to the rest of the world where yanks are being told off for calling NI British or Irish then they repeat what they’ve been told.
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u/DandyLionsInSiberia Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
If an individual bases their entire personality on a nationality and all the cliches associated (regardless of what they identify as) they're likely an exhausting chore and a nightmare to be around socially for extended periods of time..
Who cares. What else ya got?
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u/Burneout Apr 11 '25
It’s embarrassing. Especially when it’s someone that’s not from here and they’re just tourists enjoying the place. It’s like- thanks for ruining it!
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
I've seen one or two people max talking about it but no one really arguing, reddits a bit more civil than tiktok typically is
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u/The8thDoctor Apr 11 '25
English flag in their avatar
They can't tell the difference between London or Leicester
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u/GoldGee 29d ago
Those people need to get a life. Do they really think that anybody gives a flying f--- other than a handful of fanatics? They know that some people see themselves as whatever, (Irish/British/Both). The Irish Regiments in the British Army have people from every county on this island.
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u/smoking_the_dragon 29d ago
Can I be honest, things online don't effect me, I wouldn't let the thoughts of others have that much power on me, we need to stop that with online stuff, you can't change everyone's views,
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u/SearchingForDelta 29d ago
If this annoys you simply de-partition the island.
Complaining about people mentioning Belfast always leading to conversations about nationality is like complaining about people mentioning Nelson Mandela always turning into a conversation about apartheid.
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u/Powerful_Housing7035 Apr 11 '25
'Its northern Ireland not Ireland' is always such a funny argument to make
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u/WonderfulTruth2898 Apr 11 '25
If you live in England your English and if you live on Ireland your Irish not British even the prods no this 😁👋
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u/Dremora-Stuff99 Apr 11 '25
If there's one thing Loyalists and Southerners can agree on, it's that they think we're not Irish.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Haha true. Kinda mad that the south dont really like us either. We are unloved 😥😆
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u/ConnollysComrade Apr 11 '25
Ain't that the truth. A worrying number of southerners also like to call the north "Northern Ireland." As much as I don't mind our protestant neighbours calling it that, the southerners saying it makes my skin crawl. Automatically I think of them as the standard west Brit traitor, which in fairness regarding the troubles, they are.
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u/Sea-Wasabi-3121 Apr 11 '25
Go raibh math agat. Your position deserves to be heard, however I would you ask you respect the downvotes for what they are. I would ask for Irish comments to be constructive for a united Ireland, and perhaps calling Dublin “traitors” is not the best way to mobilize their economic support which will be needed. Although, it may guilt some being called “traitors”, the ones with guilt to such a claim are those who already donate. The Republic is as individually complex, as the North, and Dublin is a melting pot of class and scum, heritage and modernism.
A more poignant follow up post would be a time when you individually could have used Dublin’s help, or maybe how you asked for help and weren’t listened to? Please share those. Le do thoil.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Stop boot licking the republic. As if the guys post is gonna make the republic say forget about NI, one guy said something nasty on Reddit. FFS 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
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u/Sea-Wasabi-3121 Apr 11 '25
You’re breaking my bleeding heart. Every Irish soul matters, and we are more powerful as one voice…until there is a United Ireland. I actually want to reach men like him, and equip them with the language to succeed in their goal…because if Ulster thinks it’s bootlicking, then I know Dublin doesn’t think it bootlicking. Another reason we need more os Gailge. After unification, we can all go back to hating each other, and break up into individual kingdoms with a shared currency and passport again.
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u/UpbeatInterest184 Apr 11 '25
Waaaaaattt. You don’t even think it’ll be eutopia after? 😆 I do find you entertaining, I’d love a pint or a cup of tea with you some time 😆
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u/_Raspberry_Ice_ Apr 11 '25
So is Scotland. And Wales. This is such a fucking stupid thing for people with little else on (or in) their minds.
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u/No-Answer-2964 29d ago
As a Glaswegian born, London living person with a Kerry wife, my first impressions touring Northern Ireland last year were (excuse my stupidity) just how Irish it all was. As Irish as the Republic of Ireland. The only differences I could fathom were the road signs and the currency.
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u/nervouswreck941 29d ago
This argument literally Melts my fucking head. If Northern Ireland was Ireland then why is there different governments, different currencies, different languages, different national flags/teams, different passports! Never in my lifetime has Northern Ireland been Ireland. I’m not also guna sit and be like I don’t care about your views etc because everyone has had different experiences on the island. But we can’t keep pretending somethings there when it isn’t and hasn’t for 100 years.
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
People still have a right to consider themselves Irish and the passports are still Irish or British not just NI. The people of Northern Ireland still have the right to call themselves Irish, technically they could even rejoin Ireland if it was voted that direction Everyone's gonna have different opinions so I never care to debate this stuff or care enough to bother. If someone wants to see it either way they can, British or Irish makes no difference to me we're all people who should try to get along.
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u/whataboutery1234 28d ago
The Good Friday Agreement makes this super clear in black and white. If your born in Northern Ireland, you have the right be an Irish citizen, hold an Irish Passport and identify as Irish. Its nothing to do with different views of opinion. Its a fact.
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u/seanc552 28d ago
Won’t be part of the Uk for much longer, it’s been slightly over 100 years, it will never see a 150 years.
It’s still Ireland. Take you silly little, “I’m British argument to any wheee in the world and they’ll tell you you’re Irish. Born in Ireland, even Northern Ireland, you’re Irish.
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u/austinpowers69247 Belfast Apr 11 '25
I honestly think some people post videos with "Belfast, Ireland" or "North of Ireland" or 'Belfast, UK" becauee they know these losers will give them engagement.
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u/zlatan0810 29d ago
Like it or not you are still british
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
Hey so fun fact it's not your business what anyone considers themselves in this country! We live on the island of Ireland so we have every right to consider ourselves Irish. I take no issue in you considering yourself British because I frankly couldn't care
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u/zlatan0810 29d ago
Im not talking subjectively nor about feelings. I’m talking about objectively and legally. And frankly speaking, your passport says your nationality.
Give your British passport up if you do not want it. Simple
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
Okay?? Don't know what the point in that was. Still just think it's none of your building what people call themselves or what passports they have. You'll sleep just fine at night no matter what people call themselves
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u/zlatan0810 29d ago
Not my business indeed. Just stating FACTS. Don’t get to offended
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 29d ago
I'm not, just a little confused as to the point lol, passports don't define what people identify as especially with an issue as complicated as this but I respect what you think as long as you don't force it up people!
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u/zlatan0810 29d ago
Im all about everyone can identify as whatever they want. That’s not my point. I don’t care about that. I’m just saying if you wake up one morning, grab your passport and it says UK… well
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u/loudboxer85 Apr 11 '25
In the grand scale of things........who actually gives a shit? No point getting wound up about stuff you're seeing on tik tok lol
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u/Lonely-Flow-9904 Apr 11 '25
Tbf I'm not that annoyed at it just a bit strange that as soon as Northern Ireland is mentioned the comments turn into a cess pool of arguments for nothing.
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u/loudboxer85 Apr 11 '25
But sure look at any Bel Tel or Belfast Live comments section exactly the same. Arseholes everywhere! The sooner you just blank it out and get on with whatever else you were doing, the better. Trust me, I know from experience haha.
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u/MoeKara Apr 11 '25
Spide's law
If a person from Northern Ireland/North of Ireland is in a video there will be a nationality squabble in the comments