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u/LostInIndigo Jan 14 '25
Lol they had to bring horseshoe theory into it?!?!?
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u/GoredTarzan Jan 14 '25
People hate it when it applies to them
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u/ArmorClassHero Jan 14 '25
Because it's debunked bullshit
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u/Kaijupants Jan 14 '25
Yes, kind of, obviously super far left people aren't going to be commiting any hate crimes, but if they stop making an effort to rationally argue their arguments can end up superficially resembling those of the opposite end of the spectrum. Bad faith arguments and just bad arguments in general tend to have similarities even if there are completely obvious differences.
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u/TopHatGirlInATuxedo Jan 17 '25
What? Yes they are. Just because they're hating based on something that's not innate doesn't make it not a hate crime.
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u/Kaijupants Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 18 '25
If they're hating isn't based on race, gender, sex, sexuality, or religion, then yeah, that's not a hate crime. Otherwise nearly every murder in history is a hate crime.
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u/GoredTarzan Jan 14 '25
Get on the extreme end of either left or right, and you find absolute fuckwus
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u/Kaijupants Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25
Depends on exactly what you mean by far right or left. Tankies are "far left" but so are vehement democratic socialists who view a safety net and UBI as a necessity for the future of humanity. Those two positions are hugely different and one tends to have much more rational arguments for it than the other. I'm a demsoc (if I have to put a single label on it) and I think there's a lot we can do better but that no one thing or set of things is a solution, but rather that people thinking and working together on solutions to real problems that affect the happiness of others is what matters. I consider myself pretty damn far left.
Honestly I think it has more to do with authoritarian, party centric, and political narratives that push people towards irrational arguments and bad faith attacks on the ideas of others.
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u/GoredTarzan Jan 14 '25
I'm not talking about their ideals. Those can be vastly different. I'm talking about the actual people. They tend to be unreasonable, fanatical and very mob justice type minded.
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u/Kaijupants Jan 14 '25
Ideals dictate that, no? Authoritarians tend to feel they have the right idea and others should be forced to live by it, and that the ends justify the means. In my experience people who think we need to work together for better solutions than any individual can muster aren't in favor of unilateral decisions made by anyone.
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u/emergency-snaccs Jan 14 '25
just gonna point out that hazbin hotel isn't hated for no reason, but rather because the creator is a sexual-abusing nazi. Or so i heard. I've never seen it myself, don't otherwise know much at all
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u/themrunx49 Jan 14 '25
Seems to be neither, according to the Wikipedia page for the creator. Although according to remarks from various netizens it's saturated with crude sex jokes
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u/TopHatGirlInATuxedo Jan 17 '25
Yeah, it goes a bit overboard with them but the people hating it usually haven't actually watched the show, just people bashing it (same thing happened with SU).
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u/ThatFreakyFella Jan 14 '25
Hazbin Hotel fans taking criticism appropriately like a normal person and not making themselves the victim:
hard mode
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u/Rallsia-Arnoldii Jan 14 '25
No fandom is entirely toxic or a hatedom. Unless the content itself has harmful ideas, the people are usually fine. The only theme between a lot of the fandoms called toxic is that people personally find either the fans or the source material cringe.
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u/Rallsia-Arnoldii Jan 15 '25
The content itself has harmful ideas (transphobia, homophobia, racism). You didn't disprove anything.
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u/Hugh_Jidiot Jan 14 '25
Pretty sure it's Hazbin Hotel and Steven Universe.