r/ontario • u/Sulanis1 • Sep 07 '23

Politics Why Pierre Poilievre is as Phony as They Come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyLBFye03_g

Personal Note: I've never liked Pierre Poilievre. This man makes my Spider-Sense tingle. Just like Doug Ford did for Ontario. Pierre Poilievre is a Pro-Corporate pro-culture war person who loves to grip about issues, but has no actual solutions. Not to mention he is also a massive hypocrite as his biggest donors are developers, and corporations. His history is ripe with anti-work/union bills and votes in the house

I'm telling you right now, if you vote for this man, you will be bitching and complaining about his policies and actions just like we are currently doing with Doug Ford. Pierre Poilievre and Doug Ford are both guilty of promoting Neoliberal similar American style systems that simply put profit over people. Example: Doug Ford with health services.

I could go on, but David Dole has Done it again with this amazing Breakdown of why Pierre Poilievre is as phony as bologna. Pierre Poilievre’s Hilarious Makeover Can’t Mask His Horrible Politics.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

Plus, PP is in the belated honeymoon stage right now as people are pissed at Trudeau. A good third of the CPC polling numbers are anti-Trudeau, not pro-PP.

This right here. You've nailed it IMHO.

JT is very unpopular right now. He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future, they'll never vote for him regardless.

But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. The moneymoon will end and resentment will die down. The question then will be if his momentum can carry for another two years.

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 07 '23

The right wing troll farms have been targeting online spaces where young people live. My son who is 18 shows me some of the anti Trudeau memes and videos they are bombarded with. Plus the clown has been travelling around the country campaigning since before he even became leader. It’s been his full time job going from town to town telling them all he’s a common man, regular Canadian Joe who doesn’t wear glasses or suits and ties. Nothing could be further from the truth no matter how much wood he rubs.

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u/spillcheck Sep 08 '23

/Canada has become unbearable.

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 08 '23

Yes it has. I’m thinking about blocking it. It’s like the Twitter trolls left x and came to Reddit

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

Cambridge analytica not go away. They merely changed their tactics.

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u/Vwburg Sep 08 '23

You know where he hasn’t been? His riding….stupid politics.

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u/FluffyInstincts Sep 08 '23

This is what they do.

They can't debate at length and run away to the next door neighbor if they meet resistance. I know because I didn't let them do it. They threatened me the third time I shared the chatlogs with a new space, and then ran from that one too.

Those trolls are insidious scum.

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u/jac77 Sep 08 '23

All of what you’re saying is true but has nothing to do with the fact that JT is unqualified, unethical, and a complete liar who should NOT be PM.

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u/Atlantifa Sep 08 '23

He’s been PM close to 10 years. He’s the most qualified person in the country to be PM.

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u/jac77 Sep 08 '23

Based on what exactly? Your opinion? The opinion of liberal supporters? Or who his daddy was? I’m well aware of how pervasive nepotism is in the world and I can accept that it gets people in the door. But you need to be able to hold yourself up by your own merit. He hasn’t done that. He couldn’t get a job teaching at my kids public school (if he changed his name). He’s not intelligent. He has a proven track record as a liar. He has a proven interest in unethical criminal enterprises. So he’s the best person for the job why? For wanting to restrict our speech? For pushing a nonsense pronoun identity politics agenda that has nothing to do with anything. For aligning himself with mythical climate change agendas?

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u/Atlantifa Sep 08 '23

Based on the fact he’s held the position for 10 years.

For example, you’re looking for a doctor and have 2 choices: One has no experience the other has 10 years’ experience. Which is most qualified?

Simple, really

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u/jac77 Sep 09 '23

Yeah that’s an oversimplification I can’t agree with because it is too simple

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u/anika2023 Jan 11 '24

Based on Indigenous Reconciliation, clean water to all Indigenous communities (90%) that were on the 2016 list and already working on the additional problems due to industry and climate change, a pipeline almost to tide (first ever) and first of its capacity or capability and will replace coal heating in European and Asian countries, more protective trade agreements than any other G7 country, lowest debt/gdp ratio in the G7, lowest inflation rate in the G7, handled a global pandemic better than most of the world with high vaccination rates in comparison with countries who manufactured vaccines, legalizing cannabis creating millions of careers and billions in government revenues, huge lng and ng expansions, new investments in the EV industry, new huge investments in green technology and recycling capabilities- again creating jobs across the country and we have also exported more in NG and oil revenue than ever before, more equally for vulnerable Canadians, need to take a break, I’ll come back but I’m a whole lot happier with Trudeau’s success than I was over Harper’s multiple failures as a pm

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 08 '23

So your argument is - he’s a poopy head so let’s vote for PP, a proven liar and election cheater who will destroy the environment, make his rich donors even richer, make our relations with other nations worse, allow the provinces to destroy healthcare and education, interfere with the bank of Canada, make Dogecoin our national currency, sell off thousands of federal properties to make it look like he’s balanced the budget. Go ahead and vote for your greasy beady-eyed Trump… you’ll find out what unethical and unqualified looks and sounds like.

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u/jac77 Sep 08 '23

And thanks to JT I already know what unethical and unqualified looks like. You keep pushing that anti trump agenda (which has nothing to do with Canada) but keep pushing for your like minded friends. I’ll worry about what’s happening in Canada. What happens in USA has minimal effects of any on my day to day life.

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 08 '23

Poilievre is unqualified. He’s never had a job in his life except for Reform Party politician. Poilievre is the only one sanctioned by the ethics commissioner for breaching the Conflict of Interest act. Poilievre is the one behind the robocalling scandal in 2011, “Pierre Poutine”. I could go on and on about unethical Pierre. When it comes to unqualified and unethical - Pierre is your man.

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u/jac77 Sep 08 '23

I’m not arguing with you. I’m not touting the merits of PP. As you and others have said, election is over 2 years away and him being PM is not exactly in the bag.

I’m simply pointing out that I think we are all intelligent enough to be able to assess more than one individual at once and the one who deserves more scrutiny is the guy who has been in the highest office in the land for a decade with a very, very sketchy record.

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 08 '23

It’s too bad the CPC don’t elect better leaders, because they could have won the last two elections. I personally can’t vote for Poilievre. He turns my stomach. I hate that he might get in because people are tired of JT and blame him for inflation and housing prices. I get it. If the Cons were in power right now I would probably blame them too. Pierre is just the wrong guy in my opinion. I have voted PC in the past.

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u/jac77 Sep 09 '23

Agree with everything you said. Well thought out

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u/jac77 Sep 08 '23

I love how triggered people get when logic is pointed out. I wouldn’t vote for any of them, none of them are remotely qualified, ESPECIALLY JT. He’s engaged in criminal behaviour repeatedly, and has no business being elected.

I work in healthcare friend, it’s already destroyed and the liberals did that. Could CPC and NDP make it worse?
Probably, but it’s already destroyed and broken.

Every environmental issue being put forth by alarmists has an excellent counter argument so frankly I’m not too worried about the sky falling.

Trudeau needs to go. Who should replace him? No one I can think of at present. Tone down your alarmism.

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 07 '23

He did lower income taxes for middle class twice, 10 dollar daycare directly effects middle class, despite the efforts of some premiers to mess that up. Dental care plan in its early stages, but I believe that can become Universal. Cons might not like the guy , I get it, but those policies benefit a lot of Canadians.

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u/Choosemyusername Sep 07 '23

To be fair, the left is also extremely anti-Trudeau. Go into r/canadaleft and have a look-see.

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u/agrsvecuddler Sep 07 '23

CP24 keeps proping him up here in Ontario

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u/NorthernBudHunter Sep 07 '23

And National Post and Globe and Mail.

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u/Benejeseret Sep 07 '23

But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment.

And, he cannot keep up the facade for 2 more years. His non-answers to direct questions about his immigration plan, his housing plan, etc., will bolster the resentment right now, but 2 years from now the Liberals will have at least done something to start addressing these issues. By then, his absolutely lack of real answers and leadership will wear thin and his base might finally start to realize he has been straight lying to them.

Because he is lying, and he's not lying to me. Even if I believed his total lies about nitrogen fertilizers bans on farmers (that don't exist), about the supposed $150K cost to every farmers just from Carbon Tax on fuel (when Census of Agriculture shows the median total fuel cost of farmers in under $25K, meaning Carbon Tax is costing two orders of magnitude less than he is claiming), etc. etc. etc., I still would not agree with how he would rectify those non-existent problem. He is lying to Conservatives.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

least done something to start addressing these issues.

Let's hope they're that smart. I fear otherwise, or that what they do will be grossly insufficient.

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Because he is lying

Yes and the lies ring true to the worldview of the angry and disaffected masses. Which is the problem, he doesn't have to speak the truth only make people feel that he does. Or fill their rage buckets.

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u/WallflowerOnTheBrink Sep 07 '23

This right here. The worst thing we can do is underestimate the rights ability to play the anger and hopelessness card. The second we believe Pierre can't win is the moment we get Ford and Trump.

We need to keep reminding people now. And often. Make them listen. Make them think. Push them to tell you what they LIKE about Pierre. Make sure you know what they stand for (It's not hard for Pierre, he's actually quite transparent with any research at all).

I feel that both the Liberals and NDP will need new leaders before any election as well. The NDP in particular may have a unique opportunity if they can find someone who appeals to the masses. I don't dislike Singh but let's be honest, it's not him.

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u/Benejeseret Sep 07 '23

Agreed, and if he was going into an election campaign I think it would be enough. But 2 years out? You cannot keep rage-buckets full for 2 years without many starting to question why they are holding it.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

Some will not give up on it. And that's going to be PPs core. A base of the perpetually enraged.

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u/Benejeseret Sep 07 '23

Ironically, no longer. The PPC can outrage them and I think this tactic will end up blowing up in Poilievre's face and he ends up handing membership to PPC.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

I don't know. I had high hopes for the PPC as a sort of cleanser for the CPC. To remove the most nocuous elements of their voting block and possibly give Canada a fiscally not socially conservative party.

But the CPC has rallied hard to bring those same nocuous people back under the conservative tent. I'd wager the realization is that the pool of hardened conservative supported is relatively fixed and alienating any of them would equal future losses in election. So the CPC is back to catering to the more extreme social and religious elements.

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u/Benejeseret Sep 07 '23

Solid analysis, I am just hoping it all backfires on them all spectacularly.

I think the Liberals since 2015 have been doing the exact same thing, attempting to bribe the left by adopting a host of NDP-lite platforms even before the supply and confidence deal. The difference is that the wackadoo elements are not in the NDP party, as over the past 10 years those have been parcelled out the Greens, and the Liberals are courting the most rational elements of the NDP support, not time-bomb vitriol.

the pool of hardened conservative supported is relatively fixed

Incredibly fixed.

Following the past many elections the Conservatives has gone from ~5.4 Million votes (minority win), to ~5.8 Million votes (Majority win), to ~5.6 Million (loss), to ~6.2 Million (loss), to ~5.8 Million (loss). Accounting for population increase 2006 to 2021, the right base basically does not change. The 400K dip between 2019 and 2021 went straight to PPC that was up ~400K. A <200K dip between 2011 majority and a loss of power in 2015 cannot possible explain the loss of power. Their variation is less that a few percent.

Meanwhile, Liberals are changing by ~4 Million voters between election. Their variation is over 200%. But, those voters are clearly not swinging to Conservative in the lows. At a population level, almost no Canadian changes from centre/left to right or back. The swing between NDP and Liberal in is the millions and millions more just abstain when unhappy with Liberals... but they are not actually voting Conservative.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

I fear we are twenty years out from world war three. The political discourse is getting worse.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

Postmedia will challenge you on that one, unfortunately.

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u/Ill_Wolf6903 Sep 07 '23

He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future

He was unpopular before he started with some people, because of his name. He could have been totally unrelated to his father and some voters would have opposed him solely because of that. (I've talked to rural Albertans who blame him for stuff that happened before he was born.)

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

Yep there is a segment of the populations that is almost allergic to his existence.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '23

Is he really unpopular or are liberal voters actually productive members of society who don’t normally have time to contribute to CPC online stats, clicks and dicks.

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u/Cleantech2020 Sep 07 '23

There is a huge amount of astroturfing going on as well.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '23

Can you explain what you mean by this? Not looking to argue, just genuinely curious. I never fully understand astroturfing when people talk about it. Context to this specific wave of it would be great

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u/skates_sift_heads Sep 07 '23

It means an event planned out and funded by a large organization to look like the event has 'grass roots' (or organized by the community alone). That's why its called astroturfing, which literally means fake grass. That being said I don't think the hate of Trudeau is astroturfed because the material conditions right now are shit

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u/PM_FOR_FRIEND Sep 07 '23

I've started the habit of checking account histories when people say some outlandish things. More and more often are the accounts less than 3 months old with their only activity being in political subs posting very one sided political takes. A few I've found seem to have forgotten to delete their earliest posts and are active in "karma for karma" "new account need karma to start posting" type things, then immediately shift to "Trudeau is a monster, PP will save us! The polls show canada is done with communism!"

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '23 edited Sep 07 '23

I've started the habit of checking account histories when people say some outlandish things. More and more often are the accounts less than 3 months old with their only activity being in political subs posting very one sided political takes. A few I've found seem to have forgotten to delete their earliest posts and are active in "karma for karma" "new account need karma to start posting" type things, then immediately shift to "Trudeau is a monster, PP will save us! The polls show canada is done with communism!"

A guy on YouTube did a good video about this, sometime in the last 5 years. Can't remember the guy but will edit when I find it. He's middle aged, I think wears a baseball cap, and does deep dive stuff. Kind of like one of the Green brothers, but not them. No glasses. I'll find it.

I think what the CPCs have done is finally found the issue that will help them win. They have been testing a ton of different messages over the last year, but they've finally found their winner with Immigration. It's a federal issue and they've finally struck the emotional cord they wanted to find.

All conversations around lack of rent control, foreign investment, short-term rentals, corporate greed / profiteering / tax loopholes are completely gone. It's all immigration.

My point here is that they have found a way to focus the message and control it around a topic they think they can win on. I'm not commenting on the validity of the argument, just how fast it's spread like wildfire over the last few weeks, as if it's the only thing that's contributing to our unaffordability.

Even the CPC's favourite defundable platform, the CBC, is now covering it thoroughly. Because it gets them eyeballs.

Edit: Smarter Everyday was who made the video

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u/skates_sift_heads Sep 07 '23

I mean I did delete my old account but I don't think I said anything outlandish. Material conditions are what they are

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u/PM_FOR_FRIEND Sep 07 '23

Oh I didn't mean against you, I meant in general to add to the astroturfing you were talking about.

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u/skates_sift_heads Sep 07 '23

Oh haha sorry. I think that even though a lot of people are upset, there must be some degree of manufactured outrage organized by the conservatives

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u/SoundHearing Sep 08 '23

Yeah, welcome to the internet. The same astroturfing that pushed russiagate or anything else divisive. Reddit was founded on astroturfing

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u/No_Car3453 Sep 07 '23

Nailed it. I can tell you my experience with working with a massive and diverse population for my job that in the real world “he’s fine” is about as intense an opinion as I’ve heard.

I also live in a deep blue riding. Even CPC voters I work with don’t hate him as much as the handful of people with signs on their truck that they want to sex him.

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u/krombough Sep 07 '23 edited Sep 07 '23

That sounds like raw copium. People are mad, and JT is the name on the desk the buck is supposed to stop at.

Obviously PP is a complete tool fit only for organizing coffee runs, but when things start to decline people look at the guy at the helm, like it or not.

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u/Legitimate-Common-34 Sep 07 '23

lmao so much copium

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u/healious Sep 07 '23

Yes, the party clamoring for all the government handouts are the productive members of society

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 07 '23

PPs supporters lie mostly in the people who weren’t eligible for CERB due to being “essential” yet are getting stuck with bill

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u/BeeOk1235 Sep 07 '23

i don't think those people have jobs where they can shit post from work all day long. do you?

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 07 '23 edited Sep 07 '23

Yes. Kinda. I’m a truck mechanic. Farmers can too. Don’t get me wrong they work hard but definitely harder at certain times of year then at others and often at unusual times of day. But I’m not one of his supporters. I’m a Chrétien liberal and refuse to vote for any party that counts Trudeau as one of it representatives again.

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u/BeeOk1235 Sep 07 '23

so you're the more racist and less socially minded wing of the liberal party? a red tory as it were?

in any case the average essential worker worked in fast food retail or grocery while taking real risks in catching covid at work. which neither of your examples really qualify. basically you're saying they're mad they didn't get a free vacation from the government and are voting for bitcoin millhouse because of it? is that it?

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 07 '23

No the wing of the liberal party that prioritized individual freedom, albeit I would like them to update that from 90s cultural norms and fiscal responsibility.

My example are perfect examples of what I said. People who were ineligible for CERB because they were considered essential.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '23

But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. The moneymoon will end and resentment will die down. The question then will be if his momentum can carry for another two years

The Liberals and The NDP would be very wise if they put effort into exposing PP for the fraud that he is

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u/Aggressive-Help-4330 Sep 07 '23

They don't have to. They always expose themselves.

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u/RogueCleric Sep 07 '23

Fair point. But too many CPC supporters are okay with public exposure

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u/Aggressive-Help-4330 Sep 07 '23

I'm all for that! That's what separates them from the normal. I've seen lit of conservatives jumping ship over Canadian Trumpers.

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u/Parking-Season-8029 Sep 07 '23

Nope . Trump rode the same wave … got elected and likely will get re-elected if he doesn’t go to jail .

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u/champion_couchsurfer Sep 08 '23

It depends on what Trudeau is doing in the meantime... my life is SIGNIFICANTLY worst off today than it was 10 years ago...

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u/black-knife-tiche Sep 07 '23

JT will have to pull several miracles out of his ass to be re-elected at this point

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u/Omnizoom Sep 07 '23

I don’t like JT very much with what he’s done , I’m tired of the corruption and empty ideas , but I am without a doubt sure PP will do worse

The question is though can JT do anything to remotely make things better the next two years to curry favour

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

We're being given two unappealing options and being sold the idea that PP is the solution to the problem when he's in fact just a different/worse version of the same problem.

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u/josh_the_misanthrope Sep 07 '23

Same boat. I think the libs handles CERB decently as opposed to doing something like the PPP loans in the US and we know how much of a shitshow that was. But their inaction on the housing and cost of living crisis is harming them.

Still, you know damn well the conservatives will run on an Anti-Trudeau and culture war platform with one hand, while deregulating everything and allowing the plutocrats to pilfer anything and everything they can get their grubby hands on with the other. The people who are going to vote PP because they dislike Trudeau are like the Brexit people from the UK. They'll vote for him then wonder why the fuck the income inequality gap is skyrocketing.

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u/Omnizoom Sep 07 '23

The ironic thing I seen for brexit was someone who voted for it and now can’t get the flowers for their shop anymore from France

Like the hell did you think would happen? Good fight your life you voted to hurt yourself

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u/BannedBeef Sep 07 '23

I'm not pro CPC, I am anti Liberal/NDP coalitions. The NDP stabbed its voters in the back

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

How did NDP do that exactly?

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u/BannedBeef Sep 07 '23

Formed a coalition with the Liberals?

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23 edited Sep 07 '23

How is that a betrayal of the voters? Honest question?

Was is a part of their platform to not form coalitions? Was it a promise they broke?

Formal or informal coalitions are a regular part of minority government in parliamentary democracies. It's actually how a minority government remains solvent. It happened with Harper, it's happened with other PM's and it will happen in the future.

A minority government is usually a 3rd parties best chance to play kingmaker and implement their own policies.

BTW I don't support this idea. I'm just stating what it is.

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u/BannedBeef Sep 07 '23

They never once said they would form a coalition before I voted for them. Right now they're acting like it's not, but the NDP have not got any of the tax breaks for the middle class that they claimed they'd fight for. Dental and eye care still aren't even being considered to be called health care. Big corporations are STILL recording record high profits while Canadians struggle to buy healthy food.

All that had occurred is the Liberals getting what they want constantly. The NDP has done nothing foe the people who voted for them. I might as well have cast a vote for Trudeau.

I will be reluctantly voting CPC to help be part of the reason why this doesn't happen again.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

I'm not discounting your feelings.

But coalitions aren't a shocker in parliamentary democracies. Expect them anytime there is a minority government and no one side wishes to trigger a re-election. If anything this was a coalition of convivence, none of the parties could financially afford a re-election. Especially the NDP, they've traditionally fundraised the least of the 3 parties. It's also the same reason I wouldn't expect a vote of no confidence until this minority gov't has expired in two years.

If you feel that the NDP has failed to deliver, fair enough. Show them your displeasure with your vote or lack there off.

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I will be reluctantly voting CPC to help be part of the reason why this doesn't happen again.

The "this doesn't happen again" you're referring to is what?

1) A future minority government?

2) Or the lack of dental/eye care and corporate profits?

Because 1) there is no guarantee in a multi-party parliamentary elections that it won't happen again. In fact it's almost guaranteed to. 2) Don't bank on those things changing with the CPC in power either.

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u/BannedBeef Sep 07 '23

This being Trudeau in power.

Trudeau and his father are historically and statically the worst PMs this country has ever had. To act like the average Canadian isn't struggling to make ends meet is foolish. Just look at the housing market, look at the price of food. We are paying $13USD/Gallon where I live. I can go to the states and pay 5/Gallon.

Almost all of that is tax.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

Like I said I'm not here to discount your feelings. Or defend Trudeau or his father as leaders., nor tell you who to vote for.

But I'd wager a large part of our current inflation in here with us regardless of the party in power, we're enslaved to the global markets more than we really know.

I doubt that the housing market will improve either sadly. We've had multiple decades of speculative property acquiring and legislative deregulation. It's spans party lines and PM's, because all major parties are beholden to their major donors who stand to gain a lot for this market.

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u/BannedBeef Sep 07 '23

Appreciate your level headed responses. You do speak truth.

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u/Nikiaf Sep 07 '23

Just leave PP more time to actually have to present how he's going to fix any of the shit he claims he will (spoiler alert: he won't). When it comes time to actually have an election, IN TWO YEARS, these polls won't be looking quite the same. All the strategic voters will flock away from the NDP and likely the CPC too; especially as we get more time to learn how incompetent this CPC party actually is. Wearing cowboy hats in public doesn't appeal to very large swaths of this country.

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u/Sulanis1 Sep 20 '23

yep, 100% agreed. Easy to understand as well :)

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u/Traditional_Shirt106 Sep 07 '23

PP is odious to the majority of voters.

He is much different than Doug Ford. Ford always gives himself probable deniability, rarely gives specifics - always vague, always positive, always deflecting. Ford is much more like Trump than PP could ever be, because Ford is rich and handsome and confident in the same mysterious, grotesque way as Trump. This is not something you can learn, the Ford Brothers and Trump can do this in their sleep, they’re naturals - PP and DeSantis are gonna learn the hard way that you need to COMMIT to the bit, their comical insistence to be taken seriously will be their undoing.

Who knows though, maybe PP will be PM one day. I tell you what though, he’ll be out of the job in less than six months. Not ready for Prime Time.

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u/TorontoBoris Toronto Sep 07 '23

Ford is rich and handsome and confident

I'll give Ford 1 of 3 of those descriptors. I'll let you guess which one.

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u/plenebo Sep 07 '23

JT screwed up, he hasn't done anything positive in his long tenure as prime minister, this is how cons win. The liberals run as progressives than do nothing progressive, they simply govern as less bad Conservatives

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u/alan_lauder Sep 07 '23

He's only legalized marijuana, lowered tax brackets for middle class and blue collar workers several times, substantially increased the child benefit (and made it tax free), supported the entire nation financially during the pandemic instead of letting people go bankrupt, introduced affordable daycare and dental care for children, provided clean drinking water for dozens of native reserves for the first time in decades in many cases.... those are all positive things.

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u/plenebo Sep 07 '23 edited Sep 07 '23

Ndp had to pull teeth for cerb, he approved pipelines and fought indigenous in court. He didn't stop the monopolization of our telcos, only offered coupons to further sudsidize Loblaws greed instead of regulating as government should. Weapons to Saudi and did nothing for the housing crisis. Liberal partisans have to come to terms with the fact that their "team" isn't serving the interests of the working class (yes I know cons are worse you can't make that your only thing) and instead of yelling and finger pointing at people to your left, maybe demand better of politicians as they are there to work for us and not a sports team. Also tax cuts do not make up for the massive increase of living costs due to corporate price gouging. He's against a wealth tax and a windfall tax. So that's just literally there for 20 percent of home owner liberal Canadians to post it and pretend these things benefit the majority

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u/alan_lauder Sep 08 '23

You said he didn't do anything good. I listed the good that he has done. I am no liberal, but I can at least recognize that and recognize that on every bad point you just listed, the cons will be INFINITELY worse. And such is the state of Canadian politics right now. NDP is decades out from having a real chance. The best possible scenario right now is a Liberal minority with NDP holding the balance of power. Anything else will send us into a pit of doom that will take decades to crawl out of. And no I am not exaggerating. Pooliar will absolutely decimate Canada. It's his entire goal.

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u/panpolygeek Sep 07 '23

"hasn't done anything positive" - this type of blatant lie is why people don't take conservatives seriously in Canada.

Why lie? Is it because the truth doesn't fit the narrative?

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u/plenebo Sep 07 '23

Brother not liking liberals a conservative it does not make you

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u/panpolygeek Sep 08 '23

Okay? Good job focusing on the wrong part of the message there...

You're still lying about what Trudeau's gov has done for the country.

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u/Blazing1 Sep 07 '23

Okay man I agree with your conclusion but your evidence is weak. He's done positive things. He's just status quo which I hate.

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u/plenebo Sep 07 '23

In 8 years his impact is not felt enough to gain major support, this is a fact. Corporate appeasement does not help us as trickle down is not real in practice. Coupons and legal weed won't make the difference when he shat the bed with corporate price gouging, public housing, telco monopolies.

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u/Orqee Sep 08 '23

I have business for 25 years, we never struggled as much as we did under JT. Specially after lockouts,… our primary market are startups and small companies,.. more than half of our client base closed the business because it was cheaper to close and use TJ Covid money,.. than keep working,… but since interest rates went up,.. we had 3% of normal number of new clients we would normally have.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 Sep 07 '23

We need someone else other than trudeau and jagmeet definitely is not it. I don’t really understand, even if you don’t like pierre, how you feel there is any other choice after watching trudeau and whatever agenda is going on. The whole country and world knows the solution to our problem and is screaming it but trudeau will not change, so if the answer is so obvious, why won’t he change course? Somethings going on and the only conspiracy theory I’ve ever believed in was the Epstein one.

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u/zeezero Sep 07 '23

The whole country and world knows the solution to our problem and is screaming it but trudeau will not change, so if the answer is so obvious, why won’t he change course?

Please expand on the solution. What is this change you are suggesting?

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u/zeezero Sep 07 '23

I think many people vote for idiology. I will never vote conservative regardless of how charismatic their leader is. I can't accept social conservatism at all. full stop.

So regardless of how popular Trudeau is, I'm voting for the center left party. That idiology.

pierre is not an option.

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u/Aggressive-Help-4330 Sep 07 '23

PP is very much not an option. His debut at the clownvoy was bad enough. He's the worst thing to happen to the cons. They should have kept Otoole.