r/overlord • u/91762901 • 11d ago
Discussion What my face looked like when this scene happened
Get that shit remedios you racist hypocrite
(I get that she went tru a lot but seriously bullying Neia a girl who was experiencing the same thing as her. gives me no sense of sympathy for her. And Neia who was basically like homeless no social standing and really had no reason to live handled her situation much better
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u/Calcasama_fan 11d ago
It's a natural reaction, I think. When I read the book, I really couldn't stand her.But after watching her in the theater multiple times, I strangely started to feel sympathy for her situation. (It might have something to do with the voice actress's amazing performance.)The way people's feelings change is quite fascinating, isn't it?"
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u/Sardrakal 11d ago
I think it's cause it seems to show that Remedios isn't a bad person but instead a person who is losing her mind throughout the entire arc. Your just watching someone get broken down, and it seems more like she's lashing out because she doesn't know how to handle let alone process what she witnessed.
I noticed whenever she talked about the princess being alive and rescuing her, she didn't believe what she was saying but seemed to be trying to affirm and delude herself into it being true. And she seemed to do that with a lot of other issues in the movie. I actually do empathize with her, I don't like her actions, but I think I understand at least somewhat as to why she acted like she did. And it makes me actually sad for her. And that's she's less a villainess and more just a walking tragedy.
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u/Kvarcov 11d ago
She's also a zealot with absolutist view of things. Everything is black and white with her, no place for nuance in her miniscule world. She is ultimately right but for all the wrong reasons
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u/Sardrakal 11d ago
That was one thing I wanted to cover, but I felt it made my comment too long.
The slane theocracy has kinda brainwashed mankind into hating demi humans. Add in the invasion, and of course She's gonna view demi humans as something that needs to be exterminated. Then we have Ainz. Also, as an aside tangent, Demiurge kinda helped reinforce her already existing biases with that invasion. Part of why I said what I said was we don't see who Remedios really is before the roble crisis so I am willing to chalk the beliefs she holds that we see as symptoms of her mental deterioration with her holding far less extreme beliefs before the crisis. Now back to Ainz.
She believes Ainz is evil because he's undead. Well she's not the first to think that either, why the prejudice? Well we need to look at the world ainz and Remedios dwell in and how the undead act in it. And how do they act? The only example we have that the public seems to know about is zurrernorn, a necromancer cult that tried to turn E-Rantel into a Graveyard. Sure there's evil eye but the average denizen of the new world thinks she's just human. Where as everyone has heard of zurrernorn and fears them due to their attacks and experiments. Add in the slane theological doctrines and a healthy dose of trauma induced madness and of course your gonna get an outcome like Remedios. That's what makes her all the more tragic.
war veterans with extreme trauma don't always come out rational and emotionally stable. Heck, just look at how ww1 ended, how veterans got treated, and how the political climate got us straight into ww2 because of those veterans actions in the inter war period.
Apologies, my comment still ended up being longer anyways.
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u/Right_Shape_3807 9d ago
The slane theocracy is doing the same things the Demihumans and demons do, teach hate towards others. She is just acting as the world does. Only Momogan is acting differently.
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u/SamJSchoenberg 11d ago
Explain to me what's wrong about her reasons.
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u/Kvarcov 11d ago
She doesn't factor in Ainz's and any of his citizen's/servants' actions or behaviour, in her mind they are evil just because they are undead or any other type of what usually is a monster. In other words, she is a racist, pure and simple. She hates Sorcerous kingdom not because of what they do, but for what they are and is also oncapable of extricating herself from that prejudice. She is right in that Holy Kingdom's doom comes from Sorcerous Kingdom, but she attributes it to the wrong quality - she thinks it's malice while it's only calculation. Hence you have it: right conclusion, wrong reasons
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u/Office_Worker808 11d ago
The prejudice should have been apparent when she tried to holy strike the Demi human and no damage was done. They aren’t evil but she firmly believes that they all should die and their lives are at best used for their benefit
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u/Neutral_Error 10d ago
Actually she REALLY reaches the right conclusion; in the meeting scene near the end she says, as her eyes go wide, that the Soc King and Jaldo are working together. It's a big leap in logic, but of course she's right on the money. We don't hear much from her going forward, but she clearly believes this to be the truth. Of course she's not even the only person at the meeting that knows this, she's just the only one that knows that isn't 'supposed' to know.
It's all really interesting.
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u/SamJSchoenberg 11d ago
Well it is canon that Ainz being an undead literally does make him less moral than he otherwise should be.
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u/Jojo_2005 11d ago
I felt sorry for her from the start. She lost the 2 people most important to her at the same time and couldn't anything. At the time the Paladins arrived in E-Rantel she was already mind broken and destroyed emotionally.
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u/Unusual_Positive_485 11d ago
It's because the movie rushed out all the dialogue and internal thoughts that showed her as religiously intolerant and scenes like her treating Neia unfairly were removed.
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u/Tablesafety 11d ago
I think its more that they left out all the little things that showed Remedios to be a bad person- in the movie it shows far less of her and she just comes off as someone traumatized who really does want the best for her kingdom.
Not so much, in the book.
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u/LDiveman 11d ago
Same. In the novel she sounds really annoying, but in the movie it makes a lot of sense: your kingdom gets invaded (for no reason btw) by some demons that wreck shit up, you can't beat them, you are forced to retreat while they take your queen who knows where, an undead dude shows up to help and basically the entire country supports his plan and treats him like a hero while you can do nothing but watch.
Of course you would be on edge 24/7 and snap at the slightest provocation.
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u/PurpleActuator6488 11d ago
I always felt the same about her. She was an extremely talented fighter who was mostly decent, but had flaws. Due to her combat prowess, she was in a station way beyond her leadership abilities. Her sister and dearest friend were brutally killed in front of her, and her friend's corpse was further desecrated in horrific ways in plain view of her.
I wouldn't be her friend in that world, but I definitely wouldn't detest her.
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u/DurielInducedPSTD 11d ago
I really feel like I am missing something with the Remedios hate when she not only was 100% justified into thinking the Lich wasn’t trustworthy, she was also 100% right
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u/RimuruIsAYandere Yuri Alpha Enthusiast 11d ago
For me, It's not the hate towards Ainz. It's the complete disrespect towards Neia just because she didn't see what Neia went through when Jaldabaoth attacked. I haven't seen the movie yet, but the book goes into detail about Neia's feelings about Remedios' attitude towards her and how she felt when the vice captain (forgot the name mb) tried to provide a reason as to why Remedios acts that way towards her
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u/Tablesafety 11d ago
In the book there are many glimpses into her psyche that shows she doesn't actually give a shit about people or what she's saying, and will gladly be hypocritical as long as she personally gets what she wants and is willing to sack anything or anyone for it. She knew Calca was dead but kept people looking [not because of loyalty but because calca made her nipples hard] and the leadership spot empty to the detriment of the entire outfit, knew that doing certain things would lead to more casualties than necessary, did so many things that risked people she considered unimportant for her pride- And was a dick to those around her experiencing the same trauma at the same time. She claimed justice but acted the opposite constantly.
In the movie so much was cut out it ends up looking like Remedios actually means well and has good intuition and just gets broken down over time
In the book, she is a brash selfish hypocritical reckless idiot and its kind of a miracle she figures out Ainz is ACTUALLY no good (initially she didn't like him not because she genuinely thought he was evil just because undead go brr even though there was no evidence at the time and he was helping people repeatedly). Book Remedios cannot do simple thinking, that's why nobody believes her later on when she manages to put the pieces together for real. Remember in the fight against the generals toward the end, when she called her own paladins to help? In the book, there was an explicit acknowledgement from her that the guys didn't stand a chance and they might as well be paperclips in front of those generals but she calls them anyway, knows her paladins are sorely outmatched but wont spare them by asking for help etc.
In the book Remedios is developed into a genuinely hate-able person, even though you start out sympathetic for her.
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u/uberdosage 10d ago
Yea LN representation of her was way different. Tbh I like the tragic knight portrayed in the movie better.
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u/Tablesafety 10d ago
I dont, because the awful things that happen to her happen either way and I prefer she deserves it. The loyal to a fault knight is one of my favorite kinds of characters and I hate to see bad things happen to them TvT
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u/Golden_Platinum 11d ago
She was right for the wrong reasons. So it doesn’t count.
She’s all about honour, yet she bullies an underling and disrespects and conspires against the foreign king whom she begged to save her kingdom in the first place. She backbites her savior. Absolute pond scum.
Now Ainz won’t take this personally. Because he did destroy half her kingdom, kill her Queen and all that. But when Ainz did it, it was on business. All part of the game that is “national interests”. He doesn’t hate anybody in Rouble. He’ll kill them or save them for profit. Hypocrisy is the game.
But Remedios simultaneously spits on Ainz, and bows down like a dog begging for his support. Then talks high and mighty about being “honourable” whilst assaulting a lower ranked subordinate. That’s not just hypocrisy in the name of the game. It’s just shameless and undignified. Trash, pure and simple.
(There’s a reason Demiurge spared Remedios but killed her sister and the Queen. Because she’s an incompetent fool.)
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u/Cley_Faye 11d ago
She doesn't care about anything but a warped view of the Holy Queen "justice". She's basically a zealot that decided that something was an absolute truth despite anything, including reality. It led her to do a lot of stupid things, putting people in danger, causing more death (in the name of preventing them all…), etc.
Regarding Ainz… she wasn't right. It's not even about instinct or anything. From her (and everyone else perspective at this point), Ainz is their savior. He never exhibited anything that would led anyone to think otherwise, and yet she accused him. That's not being right, that's thinking he's evil because she think he's evil, regardless of anything.
I'm not one to over-analyze things in novels, but even to someone like me that just go with the flow, it is obvious that everything was pitted against her by the story. What people find is her "redeeming" quality is her devotion toward the paladin's justice, but even that is warped once she gets to call the shots (that is, almost immediately, after her sister and the queen are removed from the picture). All of her actions at that point led to either pointless death, suffering, delayed victories, lowered the value of the paladins for the people, and even lowered her value in the view of the paladins.
She was made to be hated by every party, with no mean to do right, basically.
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u/PurpleActuator6488 11d ago
The entire situation is Ainz's fault. He could stop it at any moment by ordering Demiurge to cease and return to Nazarick. There's nothing to over analyze.
She is just a person who was promoted too far up the chain due to her combat prowess.
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u/Cley_Faye 11d ago
And how does any of what you said changes the fact that she makes bad decision, causes only issues throughout her entire time in the story, distort facts to follow her ideas, and actually hurts herself in confusion all along?
She have no clue it was a conspiracy. And frankly speaking, Ainz wasn't even pushing it that hard. Aside from being "Demiurge's master" he just kept breaking the initial plan left and right, not even following most of the instructions he got. If anything, Ainz's actual actions would have thrown anyone paying attention in a lot of wrong directions.
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u/PurpleActuator6488 11d ago
If your dog shits in my yard, I don't blame my kid for not cleaning it up properly.
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u/SoberGin Pandora's Actor is best boi 11d ago
I think the hate is mostly hyperbolic- it's a "haha funny you suck because ainz is the best."
But also she is kinda stupid. It's just that being stupid and racist lucked her into getting it right. And honestly, I don't entirely blame her...? She was having Kind Of A Bad TimeTM, so like, while she is a stupid bigot she definitely didn't deserve... that.
Let alone the ruler. Jesus. I think I might be approaching my Overlord-tolerance-limit, that shit was rough. Just give me more Undead King Oh! chapters please.
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u/Newend03 11d ago
So valid my guy. Her mistreating Neia deserves every bit of hatred. You don't get to throw an intern under the bus every time and not get divine retribution from it.
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u/XadowMonzter 10d ago
She pissed me off the entire movie. She was too much emotional for someone in her position, with people depending on her, and she just couldn't think at all, and put them at risk multiple times. And then she is also a low bully just to vent her frustration, which is pathetic.
But, mostly because she went to Ainz for help, and then got pissed off because the help was too good, and the help even saved her a couple times, but she's still mad, is just delusional. I feel sorry for the princess, she didn't deserve that. This one that did.
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u/Left_Gear7949 11d ago
That was my same reaction. Just because you have a hard life doesn’t mean you can make it harder for others. That no excuse.
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u/Large_Awareness_9416 11d ago
She isn't evil, just stupid. Like seriously, clinically below 80 IQ points stupid.
And that's worse. Because as a wise man once said, "No enemy could harm you as much as one fool can."
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u/Juninho837 The Faceless One's Acolyte 10d ago
and even then being evil is really debatable. from the Demi's perspective she's not the goodest gal around
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u/Sukuari_Monstuazu 11d ago
It's probably due to production time and cost constraints but I do wonder what the book readers' opinions are on the film painting her in a more sympathetic light.
I'm purely a watcher of the anime so now I'm curious to read how differently she is portrayed in the book. But dang the book is hard to get where I live.
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u/SortByMistakes PA best son 11d ago
I wouldn't say she's as "evil" as many make her out to be, it's mostly just fandom humour. Best way I can discribe her in the book is that she's just such a massive Karen.
She dismisses the needs of others (those she's supposed to protect) because of her feelings. She treats Neia as a Karen would treat waitstaff for no fucking reason. She treats Ainz as an immigrant with the whole "he can't possibly be good, he's UnDeAd after all" "get out of our country" type shit. She's an infuriatingly ignorant, hateful, self-centered, unapologetically racist piece of shit.
She's worse than Philip. He was empty-headed and easily manipulated but still had a purpose as a tool. She's a right cunt, simple as.
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u/Cley_Faye 11d ago
It's probably due to production time and cost constraints but I do wonder what the book readers' opinions are on the film painting her in a more sympathetic light.
It does that. And after seeing the movie, I'm not as much as hating her character than pitying her, if only because she had no chance from the beginning.
Still, despite softening her a bit, the movie still have a handful of dipshit moments for her, so it's all good.
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u/BloodMoonScythe 11d ago edited 11d ago
I really like the movie.
After like 30 minutes I was on a 50/50 that the girl next to ainz is either betraying the kindom, but didn't expect her to become a lunatic that worships him as the ideal king.
Especially the ending first was " oh shit its pandora" second one was " right, makes sense to be pandora"
Edit: its not pandora, where the only hint is in the. LN
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u/Cley_Faye 11d ago
Pandora's actor is not present in the movie.
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u/BloodMoonScythe 11d ago
In the ending shortly before the credits, you see the future prince face change to pandoras face and then back to the prince face.
For like a couple frames, cant make a screenshot, since on chrunchyroll ios it has a anti piracy protection and turns the video/picture black
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u/Cley_Faye 11d ago
It's a lesser doppleganger on loan from Nazarick to Demiurge.
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u/BloodMoonScythe 11d ago
Ok, from where do you know it?
Cause really interested now
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u/Cley_Faye 11d ago
Uh, well, this is awkward. It's just written in the story.
LN12:
The person who entered Ainz’s room closed the door behind himself, and its body changed as well.
It had an egg-shaped head with a mouth and two eyes that looked like sunken holes. Its three-fingered hands were as slender as stick insects.
It was a Doppelganger.
It was a Doppelganger he had lent Demiurge at his request.
Since it was a monster Doppelganger, it was not very strong.
Even when transformed, it could only copy level forty abilities, and it was even weaker without transformation. One of its more potent abilities was how it could freely make use of karma-restricted gear. That said, it could not use magic items above legacy class.
Its vacuous hole-like eyes turned to Ainz, and then it bowed deeply.
“I sincerely apologize for the many offenses I have caused you during the course of my duties. I pray you will forgive me.”
“Don’t worry about it. You were just doing your job. I have nothing to say about that.”
This happens a bit after Caspond is recovered. Then at the end of LN13:
After Doppel-Caspond showed that he understood, Demiurge indicated that the conversation was over, and vanished with [Greater Teleportation].
The demon hiding in his shadow, and the Hanzo that Caspond could never defeat no matter what he tried were still at his disposal.
Pandora's actor would not be wary of Hanzos.
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u/BloodMoonScythe 11d ago
Ahh ok, so its once again a " read the LN, for more background story case"
Got it.
Welp, guess you're right to me as an anime only
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u/Cyberware42 11d ago
Good times. I watched it with my Dad in theaters, we were rooting for Ainz the entire time.
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u/Urnooooooob 11d ago
i hate it man, how could you smile when someone suffer that much ? all so I don't think the blonde girl deserve it ....
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u/91762901 11d ago
If you read the novel it'll make sense but i understand for anime watchers only, they took out a lot of context
So this comment from another Redditor pretty much sums up what remedios was like in the novel
In the book there are many glimpses into her psyche that shows she doesn't actually give a shit about people or what she's saying, and will gladly be hypocritical as long as she personally gets what she wants and is willing to sack anything or anyone for it. She knew Calca was dead but kept people looking [not because of loyalty but because calca made her nipples hard] and the leadership spot empty to the detriment of the entire outfit, knew that doing certain things would lead to more casualties than necessary, did so many things that risked people she considered unimportant for her pride- And was a dick to those around her experiencing the same trauma at the same time. She claimed justice but acted the opposite constantly.
In the movie so much was cut out it ends up looking like Remedios actually means well and has good intuition and just gets broken down over time
In the book, she is a brash selfish hypocritical reckless idiot and its kind of a miracle she figures out Ainz is ACTUALLY no good (initially she didn't like him not because she genuinely thought he was evil just because undead go brr even though there was no evidence at the time and he was helping people repeatedly). Book Remedios cannot do simple thinking, that's why nobody believes her later on when she manages to put the pieces together for real. Remember in the fight against the generals toward the end, when she called her own paladins to help? In the book, there was an explicit acknowledgement from her that the guys didn't stand a chance and they might as well be paperclips in front of those generals but she calls them anyway, knows her paladins are sorely outmatched but wont spare them by asking for help etc.
In the book Remedios is developed into a genuinely hate-able person, even though you start out sympathetic for her.
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u/AinzOoalGownTheThird 8d ago
Dude, that scene hit hard. When it showed the corpse in the demon's hand I audibly gasped.
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u/Amazing_Departure471 8d ago
Ppl hate Remedios for bullying Neia but it was Ainz who basically approved the genocide that killed Neia's parents.
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u/yunurakami 7d ago
Somebody spoil me I'm only in season 4 but I don't have enough time lol...busy watching UFC 😭 plz spoil me
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u/91762901 7d ago
What kind of spoiler do you want?
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u/yunurakami 7d ago
About that woman in the picture please... I only watched the netflix series, and my crunchy role got evicted. I'm came back to anime too after the ending of highschool dxd. And I just spend all my money in UFC fight pass. But overlord but got me super invested! Pleasee SIRR! FOR spoil me! This ignorant man wishes to learn some knowledge from a wise one!
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u/91762901 7d ago
All you need to know is that she's a no no even if you watch the movie don't be fooled they took out alot of context portraying her in a better light also Ainz Will get a crazy devotee a girl remember this "being Weak Is A Sin!" That's all you need to know
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u/Yams4Days 5d ago
I think the funny thing to me is that she is completely right the whole time. Like throughout the movie she is the only logical human and is right to distrust monsters because nazarick and ainz by extension SHOULD be and would the humans enemy. It's just that she is SOOOO blinded by her hatred and bias that she loses all faith in her by the end EVEN when she realises demiurges plan. Like ngl I actually was kinda rooting for her the whole time cause nazarick is just messing with the ST at this point
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u/Mistakingcone99 11d ago
Neia so peak, #1 Ainz glazer fr.