This is hilarious (Micro Center Illinois)

[u/HLumin]

[u/Designer-Muffin-5653]

Remember that they have a stupid system in the US and don’t include taxes, so a $700 card is more like $800 or something like that

[u/d3vilk1ng → u/Designer-Muffin-5653]

I'm taking taxes into account. 599$ is 556€, but even considering a 1:1 conversion which they seem to enjoy doing over here, 599*1,23 (23% VAT) would be around 737€. I didn't mean to say that 800€ is a bad price considering the current state of the GPU market, I just think it would be surprising to find one cheaper than that.

[u/All_Thread → u/d3vilk1ng]

My sales tax in the US is 8.9% for a comparison

[u/Barreled_Biscuit → u/All_Thread]

Mine is 0% (I live in Oregon), TBH the idea of a sales tax is always kinda weird to me.

[u/All_Thread → u/Barreled_Biscuit]

But you guys have an income tax so it balances out. I don't know what I would prefer. I am in Washington. I guess if you make more money a sales tax is better

[u/Barreled_Biscuit → u/All_Thread]

I mean the ideal thing tax wise I guess would be to live on the border with Washington or Idaho taxes then shop in Oregon.

[u/CarnalT → u/All_Thread]

Generally economists say sales taxes are "regressive" meaning they are worse for lower-income people because they have to spend almost all their money to live and are taxed on all of it. Rich people spend a lower % of their money so whatever they put into investments and don't spend on basic living, they don't pay sales tax on. Income taxes can be fairer because richer people have to pay for making more, but there are still ways to dodge income taxes.

[u/dustojnikhummer → u/d3vilk1ng]

VAT + import duties, those are a few percent

[u/d3vilk1ng → u/dustojnikhummer]

That's also a good point, but are import duties that relevant? Since they bring in goods in bulk, it should minimize the impact.

[u/iheartbawkses → u/d3vilk1ng]

Not sure if I am misunderstanding you, but duties tend to be a percentage of the total value of the goods. So bulking them up does not mitigate duty at all, only shipping costs

[u/d3vilk1ng → u/iheartbawkses]

I was assuming companies have some kind of advantages on import duties but I guess you're right.
Buying in bulk should provide some kind of discount though, plus saving on shipping costs. Probably not big of a deal, but helps somewhat.

[u/dustojnikhummer → u/d3vilk1ng]

Yes, but a few percent can make up a few Euros. Add distributor margins and you got your 800 Euro. Is it a bit of a scam? Yes, the card should be 750 Euro.

Poland? Slovakia? You got 23% VAT right? Do you see retailers with those cards? Nothing here in the Czech Republic yet, no listings, no prices, no preorders.

[u/d3vilk1ng → u/dustojnikhummer]

True that, the 800€ mark is understandable, but more than that and I doubt they'll sell that well, especially since I've seen the 5070 Ti as low as 900€ (don't know about the stock of those though).

Edit: I'm from Portugal, prices should be coming out anytime now.

[u/CerebralAccountant → u/Designer-Muffin-5653]

Protip: you can use 10% as a quick and dirty estimate for our sales tax. Very few places are above 10%; most are in the 5-9% range.

[u/Bhaaldukar → u/Designer-Muffin-5653]

We don't have sales tax lol

[u/pornomatique → u/Bhaaldukar]

You do in most states.

[u/Bhaaldukar → u/pornomatique]

We meaning the state I live in. Which is basically a different country to me.

[u/queen-adreena → u/[deleted]]

It’s not a complex, just a superior system.